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Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

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according to authorities.

This one smells fishy to me. Where is the gun? How could he shoot himself while handcuffed?

[h=1]Arkansas Police: Man Killed Himself in Back of Cruiser
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Authorities in Jonesboro, Ark., are continuing their investigation into the death of a Southaven man whom they say fatally shot himself while sitting in the back of a patrol car.
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A police report says Carter was in the back of a patrol car with his hands cuffed behind his back when officers discovered he'd been shot. He was taken to a hospital, where he later died.
http://www.officer.com/news/10755581/arkansas-police-man-killed-himself-in-back-of-cruiser
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I think some cop's career is over.
 
Yeah, that's what I never understood about the story when I first heard it. How do you shoot yourself in the head when you are in handcuffs?
 
I see these cops will be out of a job and sentenced to prison. Every episodes of COPS I seen they always frisk the person,so the idea that they just slapped cuffs on someone and put in the back of the squad car without frisking him sounds extremely suspicious.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Yeah, that's what I never understood about the story when I first heard it. How do you shoot yourself in the head when you are in handcuffs?
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and if you can, where is the gun?

It must be on the floor of the cruiser. It should have the suspect's handprints on it. The bullet should have come from that particular gun. No one has said anything about the gun that was allegedly used.
 
Dittohead not! said:
according to authorities.

This one smells fishy to me. Where is the gun? How could he shoot himself while handcuffed?

[h=1]Arkansas Police: Man Killed Himself in Back of Cruiser
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I saw this re-enacted. Yes, it's possible. What may be fishy is that I understand the guy was searched for weapons twice.

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Dittohead not! said:
and if you can, where is the gun?

It must be on the floor of the cruiser. It should have the suspect's handprints on it. The bullet should have come from that particular gun. No one has said anything about the gun that was allegedly used.
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In the re-enactment I saw, the gun was in his back pocket, I believe. He was able to twist around to get it, then bend way over to the right side and shoot himself. The re-enactment proved it was possible.
 
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Connery said:
Police Release Reenactment Video Demonstrating How Handcuffed Man Supposedly Shot Himself in the Head
Police Release Reenactment Video Demonstrating How Handcuffed Man Supposedly Shot Himself in the Head


For some reason this stinks to high heavens..............

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www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-new...shoots-himself-while-back-police-cruiser.html
Jonesboro police say the 21 year old shot himself not long after being pulled over and detained on July 29, after two police searches uncovered a small amount of marijuana but no weapon.

Carter was placed in the rear of a squad car. Not long after, police say one of two officers on the scene smelled smoke, opened the car's rear door and found Carter slumped over and bloodied.
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I am no firearms expert but shouldn't they have heard a gun go off,not just smell smoke?
 
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MaggieD said:
I saw this re-enacted. Yes, it's possible. What may be fishy is that I understand the guy was searched for weapons twice.

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In the re-enactment I saw, the gun was in his back pocket, I believe. He was able to twist around to get it, then bend way over to the right side and shoot himself. The re-enactment proved it was possible.
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but where is this gun now?
 
jamesrage said:
I am no firearms expert but shouldn't they have heard a gun off,not just smell smoke?
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None of this makes any sense....other than poor police work and a feeble attempt to make some excuses.
 
Dittohead not! said:
but where is this gun now?
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Oh!!! That I have no idea about. They didn't find it?? That's crazy, then.

Just Googled an NBC or ABC link. The found the gun "lying near him." To those who say the officers didn't hear a gunshot. Yes, they did.

"He was handcuffed behind his back," says Sergeant Lyle Waterworth. He adds cops were a little more than a car length away when they "reported hearing a sound. They were not sure what the sound was."

That is until they found Carter bleeding, a gun lying near him. Officers say they searched him twice before the shooting, never finding a gun.
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http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...lled-in-Squad-Car/-bhUg09KrUSqwaCsuCqwUg.cspx
 
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MaggieD said:
Oh!!! That I have no idea about. They didn't find it?? That's crazy, then.

Just Googled an NBC or ABC link. The found the gun "lying near him." To those who say the officers didn't hear a gunshot. Yes, they did.



Handcuffed Southaven Man Shot, Killed in Squad Car | Memphis Breaking News, Weather and Sports | WPTY-TV | ABC24, abc24.com
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Oh, so they did find a gun.

Now, they need to show that the bullet came from that gun, and that the suspect's handprints were on it.

The original story (CNN) didn't mention them having found a gun.
 
It DOES sound fishy, and may be BS, but it is certainly possible.

Back when I used to work Booking, I routinely found stuff on subjects that had supposedly been searched by the arresting officer. These items included small bags of drugs, knives and once a small pistol. Doing a PROPER "pat down" takes a certain amount of time and is difficult to do on a resisting subject. Some people, even some cops, loathe the necessarily "intimate" physical contact involved in doing a proper pat-down and tend to skimp.

Even a well-done pat down may miss things. I've done strip searches on subjects and found things that a good pat-down missed.

Some people are remarkably limber and can do a lot more than you'd think with their hands cuffed behind them, also.


Now, on the whole it DOES sound suspicious and I hope a very throrough investigation is performed... it may be that the ofc is covering up for some major stupidity or worse... but it is POSSIBLE that this could have happened more or less as stated.
 
If the cops here are guilty then this is the stupidest plan for a murder in history. If they wanted this guy dead why not kill him where he was arrested and include a drop gun? Think about this, did several cops get together and come up with THIS plan? I find that impossible to believe. Searches are missed every single day in airports where thats all those people do! This is a weird one.
 
Dashcam footage was released, but it was had a gap during the actual shooting. There was an autopsy report, but there was no test done for gunpowder residue on carter's hands. What happened could have been a freak accident, but its quite reasonable to suspect homicide given the circumstances.
 
rathi said:
Dashcam footage was released, but it was had a gap during the actual shooting.
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Hmmm ... the Nixon tapes had 18 minutes missing.

rathi said:
There was an autopsy report, but there was no test done for gunpowder residue on carter's hands.
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If not, why not?

rathi said:
What happened could have been a freak accident, but its quite reasonable to suspect homicide given the circumstances.
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It looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck ... it must be a COW.
 
jamesrage said:
I see these cops will be out of a job and sentenced to prison. Every episodes of COPS I seen they always frisk the person,so the idea that they just slapped cuffs on someone and put in the back of the squad car without frisking him sounds extremely suspicious.
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They frisked him twice, iirc.
 
muciti said:
He may not have been trying to kill himself. He may have been trying to discard the gun and it went off and he got hit in the head.
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That's kind of what I have been thinking.
I don't think the shooting was the result of malice. There just doesn't seem to be the right circumstances. Iirc, multiple people were on the scene at the time. Not really good circumstances for wrong doing.
 
The ME report has been released?

Where does the info about the lack of test for gunshot residue come from?

I know a number of people in Jboro still.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
The ME report has been released?

Where does the info about the lack of test for gunshot residue come from?

I know a number of people in Jboro still.
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The coroners report in online, I read the whole thing and it made no mention of gunshot residue. The lawyer representing the family also has made a public statement asking for the tests.
 
rathi said:
The coroners report in online, I read the whole thing and it made no mention of gunshot residue. The lawyer representing the family also has made a public statement asking for the tests.
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Can you link?
 
rathi said:
Dashcam footage was released, but it was had a gap during the actual shooting. There was an autopsy report, but there was no test done for gunpowder residue on carter's hands. What happened could have been a freak accident, but its quite reasonable to suspect homicide given the circumstances.
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A "gap" during the actual shooting huh? Rather convenient.
 
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