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Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

Iran destabliizing the ME. WTF! Your must be kidding. They are not ones that have engaged in numerous wars and proxy wars. If you want to make war at least be honest about the reasons, It's not about stability. It's about BRICS and the possiblity of a new petrodollar. Here's an idea maybe we should focus on our infrastructure and trade agreements instead of trying to maintain economic advantage through military force.


Did I read well?

And what do you call Hamas and Hezbollah, Iran proxies .... chopped liver? :roll:
 
Did I read well?

And what do you call Hamas and Hezbollah, Iran proxies .... chopped liver? :roll:

Hamas and Hezbollah are no threat to us. They might be a threat to Israel and so what. There is no reason we should fight Israel's wars.
 
Hamas and Hezbollah are no threat to us. They might be a threat to Israel and so what. There is no reason we should fight Israel's wars.

In other words, they ARE a proxy fighting a war for Iran.
 
Hamas and Hezbollah are no threat to us. They might be a threat to Israel and so what. There is no reason we should fight Israel's wars.


Israel is prepared to neutralize Iran's nuclear weapons if necessary and if other countries will not give assistance, but Obama has strongly indicated he does not want this solo action to happen.
 
Israel is prepared to neutralize Iran's nuclear weapons if necessary and if other countries will not give assistance,

Do they have the capability to do so. If they act solo against Iran they will have to deal with Russia and China, even if only in the background.
 
Do they have the capability to do so. If they act solo against Iran they will have to deal with Russia and China, even if only in the background.


I don't know how would they act in case they have to go solo. But the possibility is still there.
 
I don't know how would they act in case they have to go solo. But the possibility is still there.


My guess is that they go in there and actually find nuclear weapons then it is a whole new ball game where everyone joins the party against Iran.
 
My guess is that they go in there and actually find nuclear weapons then it is a whole new ball game where everyone joins the party against Iran.


It's just a matter of time.
 
It's just a matter of time.

I also have a sneaking suspicion if Israel goes solo it will not be without Obama knowing about it.
 
I also have a sneaking suspicion if Israel goes solo it will not be without Obama knowing about it.


Hard to say..... Obama having his strange agenda.... hard to say
 
In other words, they ARE a proxy fighting a war for Iran.

No! I think Hamas and Hezbollah grievances are over land not Iranian interests. They aren't making war against us nor are they the ones destablizing other countries. This notion that our interests are Israel's interest is not something I buy. I would prefer we do what we can to prevent conflict but Iran conquering Israel or Israel conquering Iran are equal outcomes in my opinion. There are pluses and minuses either way as long as American's aren't killing people or being killed for the interest of other parties.
 
Hard to say..... Obama having his strange agenda.... hard to say

My sense is that Israel has so much mistrust of this President and his administration they would be very careful what they say to him. They may tell the U.S. about the mission once the planes have taken off to avoid any problems if they are flying over Iraq.

Also wonder if Israel has to do this alone would they consider tactical nuclear weapons.
 
Iran destabliizing the ME. WTF! Your must be kidding. They are not ones that have engaged in numerous wars and proxy wars. If you want to make war at least be honest about the reasons, It's not about stability. It's about BRICS and the possiblity of a new petrodollar. Here's an idea maybe we should focus on our infrastructure and trade agreements instead of trying to maintain economic advantage through military force.

Have you ever heard of Hezbollah? Hamas?
 
Do they have the capability to do so. If they act solo against Iran they will have to deal with Russia and China, even if only in the background.

They had to deal with Russia and China in 67 and 73. Didn't seem to slow them down, then. I must admit, though, the IDF is a totally different army than it was in 73 and prior.

Bar Lev and Dayan aren't here anymore; hopefully there is some unknown, untested IDF general that will fill the shoes.
 
No! I think Hamas and Hezbollah grievances are over land not Iranian interests. They aren't making war against us nor are they the ones destablizing other countries. This notion that our interests are Israel's interest is not something I buy. I would prefer we do what we can to prevent conflict but Iran conquering Israel or Israel conquering Iran are equal outcomes in my opinion. There are pluses and minuses either way as long as American's aren't killing people or being killed for the interest of other parties.


Where did I hear this type of talk before. Oh yes, it was in Europe talking about Hitler. Who cares if he knocks over a few countries or kiils some Jews, as long as leaves us alone. How did that work out?

Not sure why anyone who does care about the potential of another holocaust would vote with the progressive view on this. Whether it is in the ME, Africa or anywhere.
 
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They had to deal with Russia and China in 67 and 73. Didn't seem to slow them down, then. I must admit, though, the IDF is a totally different army than it was in 73 and prior.

Bar Lev and Dayan aren't here anymore; hopefully there is some unknown, untested IDF general that will fill the shoes.

Today is different technology and tactics. I have every confidence that they would be effective regarding their goals.
 
Where did I hear this type of talk before. Oh yes, it was in Europe talking about Hitler. Who cares if he knocks over a few countries or kiils some Jews, as long as leaves us alone. How did that work out?

Not sure why anyone who does care about the potential of another holocaust would vote with the progressive view on this. Whether it is in the ME, Africa or anywhere.

There it is. Same old bull****. Iran hasn't invaded a country in several hundred years so comparing to two is absurd. If all else fails bring up the holocaust and scream Hitler. That song and dance is getting really old.
 
There it is. Same old bull****. Iran hasn't invaded a country in several hundred years so comparing to two is absurd. If all else fails bring up the holocaust and scream Hitler. That song and dance is getting really old.

Couls say the same about your song and dance about how peaceful Iran is. Your point is the same old isolationist policy that has never worked out for us. It will work less well in a global world.

Now we can officially be done with each other. Not wasting time in a debate forum with a non thinking individual.
 
Hamas and Hezbollah are no threat to us. They might be a threat to Israel and so what. There is no reason we should fight Israel's wars.

That wasn't the point. You claimed that the US was the one fighting proxy wars destabilizing the mideast. And you got blown out of the water. You can't just change the subject and pretend it didn't happen. You got pwnd. Bigtime.

And let's not forget Iran's proxy war in Iraq.
 
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Couls say the same about your song and dance about how peaceful Iran is. Your point is the same old isolationist policy that has never worked out for us. It will work less well in a global world.

Now we can officially be done with each other. Not wasting time in a debate forum with a non thinking individual.

Non thinking very nice. What isolationist policy would that be? The central american proxy wars of the 80's? the south american proxy wars of the 70's? the domino theory of the 60's? the korean war of the 50's? Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan of 2000's? So how many people do you want to kill? I know everyone that's not like you because if they're not like you then they must be non-thinking.
 
Today is different technology and tactics. I have every confidence that they would be effective regarding their goals.

The tactics haven't changed for thousands of years and all the technology in the world can't change the fundementals of soldiering. Soldiering, now, is just as tough as it was 2,000 years ago; that aspect of warfare will never change.
 
Where did I hear this type of talk before. Oh yes, it was in Europe talking about Hitler. Who cares if he knocks over a few countries or kiils some Jews, as long as leaves us alone. How did that work out?

Not sure why anyone who does care about the potential of another holocaust would vote with the progressive view on this. Whether it is in the ME, Africa or anywhere.

Absolutely mother ****ing right!!!!

(Liking the post just wasn't good enough.)
 
That wasn't the point. You claimed that the US was the one fighting proxy wars destabilizing the mideast. And you got blown out of the water. You can't just change the subject and pretend it didn't happen. You got pwnd. Bigtime.

And let's not forget Iran's proxy war in Iraq.

Hamas and Hezbollah aren't destablizing the middle east. I don't see how anyone can even suggest such a thing. They may destablize Israel but believe it or not the middle east consists of more than Israel. If you think Hamas and Hezbollah are engaged in throwing over or propping up more regimes than the U.S. I don't know what to say other than you have an interesting view of the facts.
 
Iran destabliizing the ME. WTF! Your must be kidding. They are not ones that have engaged in numerous wars and proxy wars. If you want to make war at least be honest about the reasons, It's not about stability. It's about BRICS and the possiblity of a new petrodollar. Here's an idea maybe we should focus on our infrastructure and trade agreements instead of trying to maintain economic advantage through military force.

Of course they have engaged in numerous proxy wars. The laundry list extends from their material support of Hamas, their infiltration of agents and cash into Iraq, the massive supply of material, agents, and cash to Hezbollah, their facilitative ties with Syria, potential links to Houthi insurgents in Yemen, and ruminations of activity among the Shia of the Gulf. And that only covers their Westerly focus. The difference between our involvement and Iran's involvement, is that I do not take an all things are equal approach. I support our objectives and oppose Iran's objectives.
 
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