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Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

John.NoseTip

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I'm sure it's too much to ask that our government let Israel fight it's own war. Sooner or later the rest of the world is going to start kicking back against all this aggression and our leaders must know this. Therefore, I have to assume that there are people who want a large scale conflict in the world. Aren't constant wars one of the signatures of a society in decline?

Bloomberg
 
I'm sure it's too much to ask that our government let Israel fight it's own war. Sooner or later the rest of the world is going to start kicking back against all this aggression and our leaders must know this. Therefore, I have to assume that there are people who want a large scale conflict in the world. Aren't constant wars one of the signatures of a society in decline?

Bloomberg

I swear Israel has been on the verge of attacking Iran for most of my adult life. Must be a slow news day
 
Israel won't take any action without US backing, and the US is indicating that they do not currently support such a move. It was only a few days ago that Leon Panetta stated that Israel had not made a decision on whether to attack Iran over its nuclear program, and suggested that stronger sanctions were still an option.

Military strikes should never be considered as an option until all non-military avenues/ diplomatic solutions have been completely exhausted.
 
No one is hitting iran until after the election
 
No one is hitting iran until after the election
Meanwhile, the Nobel Committee can award Romney or Obama another Peace Prize.
 
I hope there isn't a conflict before or after the election. I would prefer it happen after the election if it's going to happen because there's a small chance that If Obama wins we won't go fight their war for them. He's been such a warmonger that the chances are small he wouldn't involve us but it's the best chance we have if they do start bombing Iran. I guess what concerns me most is how ridiculious it is that this is even possible. The days of U.S. and Europe colonizing the world and telling everyone what they are and aren't allowed to do are over. We have a country with more and more people sliding into poverty, an economy that doesn't make anything and an infrastructure that is crumbling what the hell difference does it make that Israel doesn't like Iran.

Oh and don't give me that bullsh*t excuse about them being a sponsor of terrorism. In case you haven't read a paper recently we are sponsoring Al Qeada in Syria so what does that make us.
 
this has certainly been a bonanza for the oil industry
israel keeps threatening iran, pushing oil prices higher
further reducing the rate of economic recovery
which can only hurt Obama's re-election prospects
the actual israeli government intent
 
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I'm sure it's too much to ask that our government let Israel fight it's own war. Sooner or later the rest of the world is going to start kicking back against all this aggression and our leaders must know this. Therefore, I have to assume that there are people who want a large scale conflict in the world. Aren't constant wars one of the signatures of a society in decline?

Bloomberg

I think it's just a signature of society.
 
Meanwhile, the Nobel Committee can award Romney or Obama another Peace Prize.

I'd like to see one of them win for Physics this year. Just to throw some variety in.
 
I'm sure it's too much to ask that our government let Israel fight it's own war. Sooner or later the rest of the world is going to start kicking back against all this aggression and our leaders must know this. Therefore, I have to assume that there are people who want a large scale conflict in the world. Aren't constant wars one of the signatures of a society in decline?

Bloomberg

God damned it. If Israel were to start a war with Iran, I say we get the fudge out of dodge.

Though I'm not really sure if they actually would.
 
The inevitable is being delayed because nobody wants to face the horrible consequences of a regional war.

All diplomatic processes and sanctions have had no effect on Iran's production of future nuclear capabilities, and it is obvious that Iran must turn over a new leaf or war will become a reality and the current bluster will turn deadly.

This is not a game.
 
right. meanwhile, Russia and China just back right off and let Iran be conquered in a month. what a fairy tale.

Hmm? Did we read the same article? I don't think there was any mention of troops crossing Iranian borders at any stage of that article. I also don't think it's realistic to think that Russia or China would militarily intercede in a conflict between a nuclear power and a foe who is inimical to major energy producing countries in the Gulf. China might try and preclude military intervention for a number of reasons. But there is no way they are going to extend their neck out for them when the missiles start to fly. The same can be said for Syria.
 
Hmm? Did we read the same article? I don't think there was any mention of troops crossing Iranian borders at any stage of that article. I also don't think it's realistic to think that Russia or China would militarily intercede in a conflict between a nuclear power and a foe who is inimical to major energy producing countries in the Gulf. China might try and preclude military intervention for a number of reasons. But there is no way they are going to extend their neck out for them when the missiles start to fly. The same can be said for Syria.

i respectfully and strongly disagree that Russia and China will sit on the sidelines if a preemptive strike is launched on Iran.
 
i respectfully and strongly disagree that Russia and China will sit on the sidelines if a preemptive strike is launched on Iran.

What will they do? In this scenario when a flurry of Jericho-III Missiles and Popeye Turbo II cruise missiles hit Iranian early warning, air defense, and command and control sites, what will Russia and China's tangible response be? I think its ludicrous to think it will involve a military intervention.
 
What will they do? In this scenario when a flurry of Jericho-III Missiles and Popeye Turbo II cruise missiles hit Iranian early warning, air defense, and command and control sites, what will Russia and China's tangible response be? I think its ludicrous to think it will involve a military intervention.

how about the begin arming iran to the teeth
share nuclear weapons making secrets and materiel
build alliances with those who oppose the israel-USA - house of saud triple threat
and china could refuse to lend us any more money

both countries have already warned against iranian invasion

besides, what is the legitimate basis to justify an attack against iran
besides that we did not actually require one to invade iraq
 
What will they do? In this scenario when a flurry of Jericho-III Missiles and Popeye Turbo II cruise missiles hit Iranian early warning, air defense, and command and control sites, what will Russia and China's tangible response be? I think its ludicrous to think it will involve a military intervention.

i think it's ludicrous to argue that the Iranian nuclear program will be ended solely by a series of surgical conventional missile strikes. Russia and China have a plethora of (proxy and other) military and economic options at their disposal to respond to such a preemptive strike. and if the surgical missile strike is nuclear, the entire world community will respond to some degree.
 
how about the begin arming iran to the teeth
share nuclear weapons making secrets and materiel
build alliances with those who oppose the israel-USA - house of saud triple threat
and china could refuse to lend us any more money

both countries have already warned against iranian invasion

besides, what is the legitimate basis to justify an attack against iran
besides that we did not actually require one to invade iraq

1. Arming Iran to the teeth?

A. What will they give them that would matter? After the air defense grid is debilitated, what could China or Russia reasonably supply that would matter?
B. How will they deliver it in a timeline that matters? Are they going to ship SAM batteries and hope they arrive a few weeks after the campaign is over? Are they going to fly jets there and start fighting a nuclear power in the air?
C. Why would they do this and incite retaliation on their frontiers via proxies or by other means?
D. There is NO WAY they would do this! The prospect of Russian or Chinese MILITARY involvement is absolute zero. Acc

2. Share nuclear weapons secrets?

A. Why? Why on earth would this happen? Despite all the precedent of both Russia and China stridently opposing the delivery of actual nuclear technology to other countries. It is in no way in their interests to see nuclear technology spread. Certainly not in a wartime environment.
B. It is unfeasible. There is no realistic scenario where China delivers 'nuclear materials' that fundamentally alter the situation. It takes months to years to take advantage of that. Furthermore there is no way they would send a warhead.

3. Build an alliance?

A. They are already doing that when they can. But the candidates are slim. Who can they ally with? This is precisely the point.

4. Refuse to lend us money?

A. That isn't how that works. China buys treasury debt for multiple reasons all of them selfish, it isn't out of charitable intention.
B. It would end very badly for them.

5. Warned against Invasion?

A. No one is talking about an invasion.
B. They have never, never, never said they would become militarily involved to defend Iran. China CERTAINLY will not because it has more of an interest in cultivating ties with the Gulf States and the rest of the Islamic Conference. Russia has no will or means, and everything to lose.

6. What is the legitimate basis?

A. That Iran has a nuclear program that is aimed towards acquiring nuclear weapons, and the Iranian acquisition of nuclear weapons is inimical to a variety of objectives not the least of which is regional stability.
B. That Iran is an autocratic and ambitious regional power that has an untrustworthy history and that their acquisition of nuclear weapons would be particularly harmful in a variety of ways.
 
i think it's ludicrous to argue that the Iranian nuclear program will be ended solely by a series of surgical conventional missile strikes. Russia and China have a plethora of (proxy and other) military and economic options at their disposal to respond to such a preemptive strike. and if the surgical missile strike is nuclear, the entire world community will respond to some degree.

Please name those options that would reasonably be used in this situation. Also this is not a surgical missile strike, this is the beginning of a coordinated aerial offensive as per the article. And furthermore no serious analyst anywhere in the world believes there will be a surgical NUCLEAR strike. That much isn't even worth discussing.
 
this has certainly been a bonanza for the oil industry
israel keeps threatening iran, pushing oil prices higher
further reducing the rate of economic recovery
which can only hurt Obama's re-election prospects
the actual israeli government intent


Flatulence pushs oil prices higher along with oxygen and water...they dont even try to find an excuse to rob us at the pump anymore.
 
i think it's ludicrous to argue that the Iranian nuclear program will be ended solely by a series of surgical conventional missile strikes. Russia and China have a plethora of (proxy and other) military and economic options at their disposal to respond to such a preemptive strike. and if the surgical missile strike is nuclear, the entire world community will respond to some degree.


The purpose is not to end the program...its to slow it way down...
 
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share nuclear weapons making secrets and materiel
build alliances with those who oppose the israel-USA
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That has already happened! ....China, Russia and you can add North Korea helping Iran to the mix as well ;)
 
That has already happened! ....China, Russia and you can add North Korea helping Iran to the mix as well ;)

Theyve been aiding them all along...
 
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