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Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

Camlon said:
Please don't sink to that level.

I give you another chance to write a mature post. I am going to pretend you didn't write that.
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You claimed Assange is wanted in the US. You can document this? Only thing I can find is some claim of an email that the people with it wouldn't have gotten.
 
Camlon said:
Please don't sink to that level.

I give you another chance to write a mature post. I am going to pretend you didn't write that.
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But it is a reasonable outline of your above post. You suggest a conspiracy.
 
Redress said:
You claimed Assange is wanted in the US. You can document this? Only thing I can find is some claim of an email that the people with it wouldn't have gotten.
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I do. For instance
US intends to chase Assange, cables show

The Australian embassy in Washington has been tracking a US espionage investigation targeting the WikiLeaks publisher for more than 18 months.

The declassified diplomatic cables, released under freedom of information legislation, show Australia's ambassador, the former Labor leader Kim Beazley, has made high level representations to the US government asking for advance warning of any moves to prosecute Assange
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cAPSLOCK said:
But it is a reasonable outline of your above post. You suggest a conspiracy.
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Then nearly every single case is a conspiracy. Government lying about their intends is not uncommon, and will not go under the banner conspiracy theories.

If they take him to Sweden, and then later to the US, they are not breaking any laws.
 
So how many years shall Mr. Assange be spending imprisoned in the Ecuadorian embassy?
 
Redress said:
Might want to read your source again since it has a whole lot of nothing in it. It's evidence is that the Australian government asked to be notified before the US tried to extradite him.
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Really, what about this in the same article. It is evidence.

The released diplomatic cables also show that the Australian government considers the prospect of extradition sufficiently likely that, on direction from Canberra, Mr Beazley sought high level US advice on “the direction and likely outcome of the investigation” and “reiterated our request for early advice of any decision to indict or seek extradition of Mr Assange”.

The question of advance warning of any prosecution or extradition moves was previously raised by Australian diplomats in December 2010 when they first confirmed that Assange was the target of what US Justice Department officials described as an "unprecedented'' investigation.
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Also, Bradley Manning is getting punished for the same crime.

Also their chairwoman of the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Dianne Feinstein wrote publicly that, “I believe Mr Assange has knowingly obtained and disseminated classified information which could cause injury to the United States. He has caused serious harm to US national security, and he should be prosecuted accordingly.”

What makes you think US do not want him?
 
Camlon said:
Really, what about this in the same article. It is evidence.
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Considering that something is likely is not the same as having evidence that it will happen. It is entirely possible Australia is wrong. In point of fact, the article does not claim Australia has any evidence, only that they think it will happen despite denials.

Also, Bradley Manning is getting punished for the same crime.
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Ummmm...no he isn't. Manning is being charged under the UCMJ, which does not even apply to Assange.

Also their chairwoman of the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Dianne Feinstein wrote publicly that, “I believe Mr Assange has knowingly obtained and disseminated classified information which could cause injury to the United States. He has caused serious harm to US national security, and he should be prosecuted accordingly.”
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And she is entitled to her opinion. I suspect it is entirely possible Assange could be guilty of crimes under US law. That does not mean, as you claimed, (and I quote): "However, Assange is wanted in the US. There has been secret documents who show that US is interested in him." So far you have not shown any evidence this is the case, which is why it is conspiracy theory crap.
 
wbcoleman said:
So how many years shall Mr. Assange be spending imprisoned in the Ecuadorian embassy?
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I hope his corpse rots in there. He will get out of this embassy sometime after Pvt Manning gets out of Ft Leavenworth. NEVER!
 
Redress said:
So far you have not shown any evidence this is the case, which is why it is conspiracy theory crap.
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You just agreed with all of my points above.

You may think it is not strong enough, but don't go around claiming I got none.
 
Camlon said:
You just agreed with all of my points above.

You may think it is not strong enough, but don't go around claiming I got none.
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I did not prove your points. You failed to prove your points. You still have shown zero evidence he is wanted in the US.
 
Redress said:
I did not prove your points. You failed to prove your points. You still have shown zero evidence he is wanted in the US.
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Assange is wanted in the US. He's wanted in Texas by me so I can stomp a mudhole in his scrawny whiny ass.
 
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Redress said:
I did not prove your points. You failed to prove your points. You still have shown zero evidence he is wanted in the US.
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I will respond to you when you decide to be honest.

You just accepted to 2 of my points. Then you can't claim afterwards I have no evidence. You do realize that evidence do not need to prove a case, that is why criminal cases often have more than 1 evidence.
 
Camlon said:
I will respond to you when you decide to be honest.

You just accepted to 2 of my points. Then you can't claim afterwards I have no evidence. You do realize that evidence do not need to prove a case, that is why criminal cases often have more than 1 evidence.
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I did not accept your claim. You said some irrelevant things that did not prove your claim that I did not dispute. You have yet to show Assange is wanted in the US, despite claiming it. The failure is on your part.
 
Redress said:
I did not accept your claim. You said some irrelevant things that did not prove your claim that I did not dispute. You have yet to show Assange is wanted in the US, despite claiming it. The failure is on your part.
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You just stated they were relevant, see quote below.

Considering that something is likely is not the same as having evidence that it will happen. It is entirely possible Australia is wrong. In point of fact, the article does not claim Australia has any evidence, only that they think it will happen despite denials.
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You need to be honest. You can't accept my evidence, and then later say I have no evidence.
 
Camlon said:
You just stated they were relevant, see quote below.




You need to be honest. You can't accept my evidence, and then later say I have no evidence.
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No, that does not say they are relevant.
 
Redress said:
No, that does not say they are relevant.
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That the Australian government think US is going to extradiate him is relevant.
That the chairwomen of the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence believes he should be sent to the US is relevant.

And it is evidence. Your attempts to claim that everyone who disagree with you are conspiracy nuts is pathetic.
 
Bradley Manning and Assange are heroes. I will admit the Assange comes off as a self important jerk but exposing what our government does is great for the country. This idea that we the citizens are subordinate to the military is a total crock of sh*t. It amazes me that people get so worked up about Assange but barely a peep about Dyncorp's bacha bazi parties in Afghanistan. Nothing new for Dyncorp they pimped little Bosnian girls in the 90's. Also, in the Stratfor emails they talk about who needs access to the items seized in the Osama raid. I can't image many things more classified than what was seized in Osama raid yet this private corporation has access to it. Don't hold your breath on the Stratfor investigation because there will never be one.

Anonymous, wiki-leaks and Assange are great for this country. Anyone who can blow holes in the secrecy and corruption of the government are heroes in my book. I wish I had the courage that those folks do.
 
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Bradley Manning and Assange are heroes. I will admit the Assange comes off as a self important jerk but exposing what our government does is great for the country. This idea that we the citizens are subordinate to the military is a total crock of sh*t. It amazes me that people get so worked up about Assange but barely a peep about Dyncorp's bacha bazi parties in Afghanistan. Nothing new for Dyncorp they pimped little Bosnian girls in the 90's. Also, in the Stratfor emails they talk about who needs access to the items seized in the Osama raid. I can't image many things more classified than what was seized in Osama raid yet this private corporation has access to it. Don't hold your breath on the Stratfor investigation because there will never be one.

Anonymous, wiki-leaks and Assange are great for this country. Anyone who can blow holes in the secrecy and corruption of the government are heroes in my book. I wish I had the courage that those folks do.
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Have you always been anarchist?
 
Camlon said:
That the Australian government think US is going to extradiate him is relevant.
That the chairwomen of the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence believes he should be sent to the US is relevant.

And it is evidence. Your attempts to claim that everyone who disagree with you are conspiracy nuts is pathetic.
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No, actually neither are relevant to your claim, nor do they offer evidence to back it up. Quite simply, Australia could be wrong. Pelosi is offering her personal opinion. That is not evidence. The Australian government does not even claim there is a warrant for Assange, they believe that one will be issues. You are, in every way, wrong.
 
SgtRock said:
Have you always been anarchist?
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You don't have to be an anarchist to believe that government is keeping too many secrets from us to cover up mistakes they have done. Without information, it is easy for the government to mislead the people.
 
Redress said:
No, actually neither are relevant to your claim, nor do they offer evidence to back it up. Quite simply, Australia could be wrong. Pelosi is offering her personal opinion. That is not evidence. The Australian government does not even claim there is a warrant for Assange, they believe that one will be issues. You are, in every way, wrong.
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You have completely misunderstood what evidence is. Having evidence does not mean your case is bulletproof. For instance a witness who say she saw A did a crime is evidence, but she can be wrong.
 
Camlon said:
But we all know it is not a rape case. He is going to be sent to the US after he goes to Sweden.
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Absolute surety.

Camlon said:
You have completely misunderstood what evidence is. Having evidence does not mean your case is bulletproof. For instance a witness who say she saw A did a crime is evidence, but she can be wrong.
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Doubt.

Your song is changing, had you noticed?
 
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