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Kreton · Aug 8, 2012

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Zyphlin said:
Delay is still a sort of reduction.

not really. they get the same education, just 9 mos later.

Kids that get cancer would be missing a lot of schools as well. If the justification is "they'll probably miss a lot of school" why would it not apply there as well?

Kids dont make decisions that cause cancer. Big difference.

Great, we should ban cancer patients from attending school as well until they're in full remission.

if you want to discuss it with me can we try to refrain from sarcastically putting words in my mouth. if you just want to talk about it with like minded people you and whoever else can just IM each other and stroke each others ego's or whatever you want to do. however if you want to discuss this like grown up who have a difference of opinion we can continue.

And in this case it is.

A girl and a boy caused a pregnancy.

The girl is being searched out and punished.

There's no search or action towards the boy what so ever.

Being female is not a choice.

getting pregnant is. and if a boy were somehow pregnant i am sure the school would take similar action. As I explained before the boy would not have the physical illness associated with pregnancy nor the same dr appointments neccasarily. It is a fairly safe to assume a pregnant female will miss school, and a good amount of school with being sick, dr appts, delivery, recovery and more. Couple that with learning how to raise a child and taking care of herself and her baby she is not going to be focused too much on her school work. She is not going to perform at the level the school may require.

Since we seem to be functioning off the notion that the school is trying to promote negative consequences for an action they deem bad...

So sex that causes pregnancy....that's fine. But actually BEING pregnant...THAT needs to be punished.

**** all you want kids, especially you boys, because there's no consequences for you. But you female, if you actually get pregnant, YOU'RE going to get punished. The guy that was just as instrumental in knocking you up....he doesn't have a baby in his belly so hey, high five kid, no problems for you!

you are once again twisting something i said into some wierd delusion you seem to have. I have never once even slighly indicated that the school is in any way endorsing sex. That is just ignorance and that type of debating isnt going to get you anywhere.

So you think teenagers in high school that get pregnant are all getting it from over aged individuals? Is that what you're saying? So instead of unequally applying even handed punishment of this to two school aged kids, they're actually just punishing the girl for being technically raped under the law under your reasoning while still not caring to try and gain knowledge of who the guy is? That's BETTER?

how is that even remotely close to anything i said? did you accidently quote me here and reply to someone else?

Caine · Aug 9, 2012

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rathi said:
So you think okay if a few rape victims get hurt as long as you are able to punish the tramps who sleep around? You are a perfect reminder of why title IX exists, because its the only thing standing between the most vulnerable members of society and people like you.

LOL.... First you put words in my mouth that I never said, making an assumption...

Then you go on to judge me based upon your own preconceived notion of what you think I mean by reminding people that jumping to point at rape is a way of avoiding the conversation.

Your integrity is SUPER! :roll:

Caine · Aug 9, 2012

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Kandahar said:
Irrelevant. Title IX specifically says you can't assign a student to a different program based on their pregnancy unless they volunteer for it:

(b) Pregnancy and related conditions. (1) A recipient shall not discriminate against any student, or exclude any student from its education program or activity, including any class or extracurricular activity, on the basis of such student's pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom, unless the student requests voluntarily to participate in a separate portion of the program or activity of the recipient.

The text of the law isn't very ambiguous about it: Schools can't exclude students from extracurricular activities based on pregnancy.

You are right. "Its the law!" after all........ So what if a girl decides that she wants to kill her baby by playing volleyball while pregnant, the school can't do **** about it... **** em. :roll:

Caine · Aug 9, 2012

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Kandahar said:
Are you really a ****ing police officer? You disgust me.

And the personal attacks commence!!!!

You apparently are incapable of understanding the words that are coming out of my mouth.

Changing the subject from irresponsibility (vast majority of teen pregnancy) to rape (extremely seldom) is a way to avoid having to have a discussion about, and even acknowleging the fact that irresponsible sex occurs and is the root cause of teen pregnancy.

So what exactly are you "disgusted" about? Im talking about the DISCUSSION of the problems. Not the actual occurrence of rape....

If you can't seem to figure THAT out...... God help you.

Caine · Aug 9, 2012

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Zyphlin said:
So the guy tagging a girl in high school that would have slept with 7 or 8 guys in such a time span, and doing so without a condom, isn't acting irresponsible also? Because this rule doesn't seem to do a damn thing to discourage them. Actually, it seems like it rewards them "Hey, if you **** a girl and she gets knocked up you don't have to worry about her being clingy at school due to it because the school will just boot her out. SCORE!"

AGAIN. I don't recall having claimed that.

Everyone on this thread does know how to read a post without putting words in people's mouths yes/no???

Why are you working so hard to throw me into a position I never put myself in?

Caine · Aug 9, 2012

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Zyphlin said:
Just about an estimated 80,000 to 100,000 times a year. About 1 in every 1500 women each year. While perhaps not gigantic, to give it some reference....

That's about 6 times the number of murders in the U.S. That's about 9 times more deaths due to drunk driving, and 3 times the number of people killed in auto accidents each year.

Are we talking reports or convictions??

Do you realize how many REPORTS are completely false?

You realize rape claims are used to get teens out of trouble with their parents? You realize rape claims are used by prostitutes to get back at people who skipped the bill?

Out of 30 or so rape reports I've taken, I've probably taken about 2 genuine reports.

TheNextEra · Aug 9, 2012

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Zyphlin said:
Dyed hair can be a distraction...shall we ban kids who come to school with that. What about Goth Clothes...that can be a distraction too.

I know this is going off topic a little bit, but this has already started to happen. The K-12 schools in my area have a rule that if a kid comes in with dyed hair (i.e. unatural hair color) they will be sent home until it is corrected to the schools satisfaction.

Also, many schools have dress codes or even uniforms now so they do regulate "Goth Clothing" and it is legal.

The reason they give for banning these and doing the dress codes is to prevent unecessary "distractions" as they put it.

Zyphlin said:
Wearing letterman jackets on game day can cause distraction as kids focus on the game instead.

If it goes against the schools dress code rules, it can be enforced in such a manner though.

Zyphlin said:
Again. The question is this. WHAT is the issue here? Are you trying to discourage underage sex? Are you trying to discourage teen pregnancy? Or are you trying to literally discourage the PHYSICAL STATE of Pregnancy?

What I'm getting from all of this, is that the school wants to curb pregnancies and sex but they are specifically punishing the female students to accomplish this and that is what I see is wrong.

Kandahar · Aug 9, 2012

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Caine said:
So what exactly are you "disgusted" about?

I can't answer your question or else I'll get another infraction. Suffice it to say that police officers who actually believe stuff like the following don't do any favors to a profession that already struggles with a public perception of being bigoted and uncaring:

Caine said:
Are we talking reports or convictions??

Do you realize how many REPORTS are completely false?

You realize rape claims are used to get teens out of trouble with their parents? You realize rape claims are used by prostitutes to get back at people who skipped the bill?

Out of 30 or so rape reports I've taken, I've probably taken about 2 genuine reports.

Kreton · Aug 9, 2012

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Kandahar said:
I can't answer your question or else I'll get another infraction. Suffice it to say that police officers who actually believe stuff like the following don't do any favors to a profession that already struggles with a public perception of being bigoted and uncaring:

Its not a belief. it is a fact that far more teens get pregnant out of irresponsibility than rape.

Caine · Aug 9, 2012

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Kandahar said:
I can't answer your question or else I'll get another infraction. Suffice it to say that police officers who actually believe stuff like the following don't do any favors to a profession that already struggles with a public perception of being bigoted and uncaring:

Because we deal with the truth?
Thats our job isn't it? To find out the truth?

And now you want to get pissed because we find out that so many rapes are fake??? So we get paid to investigate... and then when we have done this... we are hated for what we find out because what we found out is "insensitive"???

Give me a ****ing break.

Im not making assumptions here...... Countless teens I have done rape reports with have later ADMITTED to falsifying the report because Daddy would be pissed if she actually had sex willingly.

Its not a "BELIEF"... its ****ing reality. Get out of your widdle bubble and learn what the real non-Politically Correct world is like.

Kandahar · Aug 9, 2012

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Caine said:
You are right. "Its the law!" after all........ So what if a girl decides that she wants to kill her baby by playing volleyball while pregnant, the school can't do **** about it... **** em. :roll:

This is correct. The law doesn't mince words or leave much room for interpretation: No school receiving government funds shall discriminate on the basis of pregnancy, including for extracurricular activities. What part of that is difficult to understand? If you have a problem with the law, take it up with Congress rather than claiming that the school has a blank check to violate the law because...umm...you want them to.

In any case, your volleyball example is just an asinine hypothetical (as though there are lots of would-be mothers clamoring to play volleyball into their third trimester), and the answer STILL isn't the one you wanted. Now back to the ACTUAL topic of the thread.

Caine · Aug 9, 2012

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Silence.........................Kandahar.... I think I hear crickets about post 160....

Kandahar · Aug 9, 2012

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Caine said:
Silence.........................Kandahar.... I think I hear crickets about post 160....

I'm not going to get into a debate with you over the frequency of rape or the frequency of false rape claims, because I'll get another infraction telling you what I think of your opinion and because it's not the subject of this thread.

Caine · Aug 9, 2012

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Kandahar said:
I'm not going to get into a debate with you over the frequency of rape or the frequency of false rape claims, because I'll get another infraction telling you what I think of your opinion and because it's not the subject of this thread.

Fair enough...... I know how that goes........

mertex · Aug 10, 2012

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muciti said:
I agree that discrimination is wrong for things that a person cannot control. However, you can control whether or not you get pregnant for the most part.

Yes, most adults and some mature teen agers can, but most teenagers don't think it can happen to them, and that it doesn't happen the first time! You are trying to say that teenagers are responsible and wise like adults, but they are not. That is why we need sex education. Just telling them ala Palin that they should abstain isn't going to cut it. It didn't work with her own daughter, and she expects it to work with kids, some who have no parental guidance. Give me a break.

Mason66 · Aug 10, 2012

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mertex said:
Yes, most adults and some mature teen agers can, but most teenagers don't think it can happen to them, and that it doesn't happen the first time! You are trying to say that teenagers are responsible and wise like adults, but they are not. That is why we need sex education. Just telling them ala Palin that they should abstain isn't going to cut it. It didn't work with her own daughter, and she expects it to work with kids, some who have no parental guidance. Give me a break.

Are you saying the teenagers are not receiving sex education now?

I think all schools have sex education as part of their regular teachings.

Are there any schools that do not?

Why do we try to pretend that teenagers having sex is natural, in that it is biological, and that is a very fast train to try to stop.

Caine · Aug 10, 2012

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Mason66 said:
Are you saying the teenagers are not receiving sex education now?

I think all schools have sex education as part of their regular teachings.

Are there any schools that do not?

Why do we try to pretend that teenagers having sex is natural, in that it is biological, and that is a very fast train to try to stop.

I grew up in a North Carolina Farming Community (Bible Belt)...... I had Sex Education in my Middle and High School 10-15 years ago.

So I find this "OMFG THEY NEED SEX EDUCATION!!!" bandwagon behind the times......... spouted by people making assumptions of what is and isn't happening.

rocket88 · Aug 10, 2012

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ttwtt78640 said:
If the pregnant student will miss time from the classes, and thus likely fail anyway, then what is the harm? This is ONLY policy at the charter school that has a waiting list of those wanting to get into it. Limitted resources can (and should) be allocated to those that will get the most advantage from them. If this discourages teen pregnancy then NO harm is done from it. Priority ONE is to complete school, then start a "family" - social and public policy should reenforce that TRUTH and not pretend it is just peachy for kids to have babies before completing high school.

I think the point here is invasion of privacy.

There are other medical issues that can cause a student to miss classes. Should they test every student for leukemia and kick out the kids that have it? Heck, a kids breaks their leg and they're out of gym class for a few weeks.

mertex · Aug 10, 2012

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Mason66 said:
Are you saying the teenagers are not receiving sex education now?

Texas promotes abstinence only in schools, thanks to the influx of Republicans in state legislature. Alaska, also due to Republican influence has abandoned sex education. Louisiana, another red state, also prefers teaching abstinence. I'm sure that other states where Republicans rule, it's the same case. What a joke. I guess you can't fix stupid.

Not only has Texas received more federal abstinence-only dollars than any other state (by a significant margin1), in recent years abstinence-only programs have enjoyed a virtual monopoly over sex education instruction in Texas public school classrooms. An earlier study by the Texas Freedom Network Education Fund (TFNEF) documented that during the 2007-08 school year, fully 94 percent of Texas districts employed a strict abstinence-only message that omitted references to – or discouraged use of – condoms or other forms of contraception.2
http://www.tfn.org/site/DocServer/Report_final_web.pdf?docID=2941

On April 20, The Catholic Anchor, the newspaper of the Archdiocese of Anchorage, published a story about a grant that the Alaska Department of Health and Social Services applied for and was to receive to provide comprehensive sex education in certain educational settings. Three days later, according to the paper, the state withdrew support of the program at the direction of Gov. Sean Parnell and spurned the approximately $600,000 the state would have received over five years for the program. The program that was to be used, entitled "Making Proud Choices!" focuses on condoms, rather than on abstinence-based curriculum. The program would have been used for youth in five correctional and behavioral facilities and alternative high schools across the state. According to its website, "Making Proud Choices!" is designed for "Young African-American, Hispanic and White adolescents, ages 11-13 … Specifically, this curriculum emphasizes that they can reduce their risk for STDs, HIV, and pregnancy by using a condom, if they choose to have sex," the website says.
Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell rejects sex education funds | Alaska Dispatch

Rep. Pat Smith, D-Baton Rouge, came armed with statistics reflecting that Louisiana residents rank in the top five nationally for rates of gonorrhea, syphilis, Chlamydia, with teens comprising a majority of new cases. She mentioned the commonplace of teen pregnancy. But it did nothing to win support for her House Bill 529 to require local public school districts to teach comprehensive sex education as a part of the health curriculum. By a vote of 23-67, the House opted to keep current law that makes sex education optional for each school district and concentrates the lessons on abstinence. Smith said 24 of 70 local districts participate. Smith's bill, which was opposed by Gov. Bobby Jindal, the Louisiana Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Louisiana Family Forum, would have required the state to approve age-appropriate curriculum for grades 4-12, the same levels that are included in the existing optional curriculum.
House says no to teaching comprehensive sex education in Louisiana public schools | NOLA.com

I think all schools have sex education as part of their regular teachings.

Ya' think? With all the teen pregnancies you would think these Republicans would figure out that abstinence is not working.

Are there any schools that do not?

I guess you can google other states, but I'm sure that where Reps rule, you're going to find that they push abstinence, as if it works.

Why do we try to pretend that teenagers having sex is natural, in that it is biological, and that is a very fast train to try to stop.

Because they bury their heads in the sand and pretend that everything is honky dory and that teenagers if told not to have sex will abide by it!

mertex · Aug 10, 2012

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Caine said:
I grew up in a North Carolina Farming Community (Bible Belt)...... I had Sex Education in my Middle and High School 10-15 years ago.

So I find this "OMFG THEY NEED SEX EDUCATION!!!" bandwagon behind the times......... spouted by people making assumptions of what is and isn't happening.

Well, OMFG, teaching abstinence is not working, and it appears that those that are criticizing the need for Comprehensive Sex Education are the ones that are making assumptions of what is and isn't happening. For your information, NC was teaching abstinence only, up until just recently, but thanks to an informed politician and member of the Democratic Party, Governor Perdue, parents will now be able to choose. So, unless you are one of the deluded ones that thinks that teaching abstinence is working well, you're right, that is what has been happening in your state.

Governor Bev Perdue has signed a uniquely sensible sexuality education bill enabling parents to decide the type of education their children will receive in public school. The measure, known as the Healthy Youth Act, is already being viewed as model legislation in states throughout the country.
This law requires all NC public schools to offer abstinence-based, comprehensive sex education to 7th through 9th graders. Previously, NC public schools were only required to offer abstinence only until marriage education.

LANDMARK SEX-ED LAW FOR NORTH CAROLINA! - Planned Parenthood - Health Systems

In 1995 Rep. Robin Hayes introduced a bill requiring that public schools in North Carolina teach an abstinence-only sex education curriculum. Despite heated debates, both the house and the senate passed the bill. As a result, since the 1996-97 academic year, over 100 out of the 117 school systems in North Carolina have taught abstinence-only until marriage in their healthy living/sex education courses.
Sociation Today Spring 2006

Caine · Aug 11, 2012

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mertex said:
Well, OMFG, teaching abstinence is not working, and it appears that those that are criticizing the need for Comprehensive Sex Education are the ones that are making assumptions of what is and isn't happening. For your information, NC was teaching abstinence only, up until just recently, but thanks to an informed politician and member of the Democratic Party, Governor Perdue, parents will now be able to choose. So, unless you are one of the deluded ones that thinks that teaching abstinence is working well, you're right, that is what has been happening in your state.

Governor Bev Perdue has signed a uniquely sensible sexuality education bill enabling parents to decide the type of education their children will receive in public school. The measure, known as the Healthy Youth Act, is already being viewed as model legislation in states throughout the country.
This law requires all NC public schools to offer abstinence-based, comprehensive sex education to 7th through 9th graders. Previously, NC public schools were only required to offer abstinence only until marriage education.

LANDMARK SEX-ED LAW FOR NORTH CAROLINA! - Planned Parenthood - Health Systems

In 1995 Rep. Robin Hayes introduced a bill requiring that public schools in North Carolina teach an abstinence-only sex education curriculum. Despite heated debates, both the house and the senate passed the bill. As a result, since the 1996-97 academic year, over 100 out of the 117 school systems in North Carolina have taught abstinence-only until marriage in their healthy living/sex education courses.
Sociation Today Spring 2006

You are looking at what politicians are claiming is happening based upon their own agendas.

I actually lived it......And there was plenty in the curriculum about safe sex.

So your quotes and links mean nothing, since they are just political grandstanding by both political parties that has absolutely no weight on what was ACTUALLY going on in those classrooms.

Sig · Aug 11, 2012

Kandahar said:
:shock:
Wow, this is terrible. It's a blatant violation of Title IX and it's gender discrimination, pure and simple. And it's made worse by the fact that this is a PUBLIC charter school in Louisiana.

I'm not so sure. Attendance at a charter school is a privilege, not a right. If these rules were in place at the time the student was admitted, and the student's parent(s) knowingly signed up for such rules, then they are not necessarily discriminatory nor a violation of any constitutional right.

Recall that HIGHER STANDARDS are the raison d'être for charter schools.

a351 · Aug 11, 2012

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Hicup said:
Students lose many constitutional rights in public schools, one that comes to mind is freedom of speech. I believe the rationale is disruptive. I imagine a teenager walking around with a big fat belly would be disruptive, or at least used as a rationale for what constitutes disruption.

Tim-

Using that rationale (and I use the term lightly), I suppose obese children are next on the list of those who are to be removed from educational facilities?

rathi · Aug 11, 2012

Sig said:
I'm not so sure. Attendance at a charter school is a privilege, not a right. If these rules were in place at the time the student was admitted, and the student's parent(s) knowingly signed up for such rules, then they are not necessarily discriminatory nor a violation of any constitutional right.

Recall that HIGHER STANDARDS are the raison d'être for charter schools.

ARCHIVED--Applying Federal Civil Rights Laws to Public Charter Schools

The U.S. Department of Education (ED), Office for Civil Rights (OCR) enforces a number of civil rights laws that apply to public schools, including charter schools. These laws include: Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI), which prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin; Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX), which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in education programs

It seems that you, like many people in this thread, have confused the law with your personal opinion.

mertex · Aug 11, 2012

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Caine said:
You are looking at what politicians are claiming is happening based upon their own agendas.

I am looking at what laws have been passed. Perhaps you are the one that is looking at what your politicians are claiming instead of looking at facts.

I actually lived it......And there was plenty in the curriculum about safe sex.

Oh, and you speak for all the schools in all the states? You can attest to the fact that your experience is universal? Sure you can.

So your quotes and links mean nothing, since they are just political grandstanding by both political parties that has absolutely no weight on what was ACTUALLY going on in those classrooms.

Maybe what you are trying to say is that what is going on in the classrooms (teaching abstinence) has no weight on what is ACTUALLY going on in real life. If they were actually teaching comprehensive sex education we wouldn't have such a high rate of teenage pregnancies. Trying to minimize the problem to accommodate your party's policies is not something new. And now, Louisiana is compounding the problem by taking these already uninformed students out of the arena where they could possibly learn more and possibly creating more people that will need to be on welfare. Nice job.

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