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Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

99percenter said:
The guy had ties to white supremacists groups. That has been confirmed. Google it.
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Has it been verified by a REAL investigative agency, or just the highly untrustworthy southern poverty communist center?
 
TurtleDude said:
the current thinking is that the asshole who shot these people was too stupid to understand that Sikhs are not Muslims and it appears that this mope-who had 9-11 tattooed on him was a muslim hater.

I recall a Sikh cab driver was murdered by some racist turd after 9-11 not knowing the difference
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True.
And there have apparently been hundreds of such incidents.
American ignorance is not to be underestimated - especially of those idiots committing these crimes.
But this guy I think 'knew better'/the difference and apparently just went after non-whites even though they weren't Muslims.

Sikh temple shooting suspect identified as former U.S. Army soldier Wade Michael Page
By Liz Goodwin & Dylan Stableford
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/sikh-temple-shooting-suspect-u-army-wade-michael-123748845.html

The man suspected of opening fire on Sunday in a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., was identified as Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old former member of the U.S. Army, police said on Monday......

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A U.S. Army spokeswoman told Yahoo News that Page served from April 1992 until October 1998 as a member of the psychological operations unit. He was never deployed, but was awarded numerous medals, including two for good conduct and one for humanitarian service. Page, a Colorado native, received basic training in Fort Sill, Okla., moved to Fort Bliss in Texas and finished at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. A psychological operations specialist is "primarily responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for information and psychological effect," according to the U.S. Army website.

According to Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards, Lt. Brian Murphy, a 51-year-old officer, was the first to arrive at the temple shortly after 10:25 a.m. Sunday. He began to render aid to one of the victims in the parking lot when he was "ambushed," Edwards said. Murphy was shot 8 or 9 times at close range with a handgun, Edwards said. Other officers exchanged gunfire with Page after they arrived, Edwards said, killing him. The officers then found Murphy in the parking lot. "He waved them off, and told them to go into the temple to assist those in there," Edwards said. Murphy was carried to a squad car and rushed to Milwaukee's Froedtert Hospital where he underwent surgery. Three shooting victims, including the officer, are listed in critical condition at the hospital.

Page was discharged from the army in 1998 for "patterns of misconduct," according to CNN, citing a Pentagon official. The U.S. Army spokeswoman would not confirm or deny the CNN report. Edwards said it was a "general discharge" and that Page was "ineligible for re-enlistment."

Sources told ABC News the suspect was a "white supremacist" or "skinhead." And officials told NBC News he had "some kind of radical or white supremacist views," but was apparently not a member of any kind of radical organization. His past run-ins with law enforcement were described as minor.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Page "was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band." The band, called End Apathy, formed in 2005. According to the group's MySpace page, its music "is a sad commentary on our sick society and the problems that prevent true progress."

No motive for the suspect was released. Police searched his apartment early Monday looking for clues to his motive, Reuters reported....Members of the temple described the gunman as a tall male with what appeared to be "a 9/11 tattoo." Officials told NBC News late Sunday that the suspect had many tattoos.[........]
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Gosh, I thought white supremacists and neo-nazis were just figments of the liberal imagination!:eek:
 
Wiggen said:
Gosh, I thought white supremacists and neo-nazis were just figments of the liberal imagination!:eek:
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No, you didn't. You've been accusing people in the southern US of this crap ever since I remember reading your posts on this forum.
 
Wiggen said:
Gosh, I thought white supremacists and neo-nazis were just figments of the liberal imagination!:eek:
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Whose suggested that.

There absolutely are white supremacists and neo-nazi's.

The imagination is those that suggest that somehow such things are in any way "mainstream" within "the right wing" or that is worthy of being spoken about in the same breath as the mainstream "right" of this country as if they're just a standard subset rather than a minority fringe thing. Or the imagination is that anyone who ever doesn't agree with the majority of the left on anything involving a racial aspect is somehow a "White Supremacist".
 
Wiggen said:
Gosh, I thought white supremacists and neo-nazis were just figments of the liberal imagination!:eek:
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He was at Ft. Bliss about the same time I was. I suspected a Veteran based on location and age but didn't know we actually slept on the same base. Freaky.
 
Zyphlin said:
Whose suggested that.

There absolutely are white supremacists and neo-nazi's.

The imagination is those that suggest that somehow such things are in any way "mainstream" within "the right wing" or that is worthy of being spoken about in the same breath as the mainstream "right" of this country as if they're just a standard subset rather than a minority fringe thing. Or the imagination is that anyone who ever doesn't agree with the majority of the left on anything involving a racial aspect is somehow a "White Supremacist".
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The problem is the right wing silently or vocally applauds the hate and violent rhetoric. The attempted assassination on Giffords is a good example.

Eta:

http://www.businessinsider.com/here...-temple-shooter-wade-michael-pages-arm-2012-8

Wonder if Stormfront purged his account yet?
 
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Here is an image from his facebook page, posted at Stormfront:

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Notice the Celtic cross tat on his shoulder


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Furiounova said:
The problem is the right wing silently or vocally applauds the hate and violent rhetoric. The attempted assassination on Giffords is a good example.
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Yeah, the whole "violent rhetoric" bull**** that was getting thrown around didn't have anything to do with Gifford's attack. The issue wasn't that the right was "vocally applauding" the violent rhetoric...the issue was that the right was suggesting that attempting to jump out at the front with ZERO FACTUAL EVIDENCE to utilize the horrific incident as a political cudgel to attack people and claim they had some culpable role of responsability in the incident was wrong.

Please...point me to a mainstream right wing individual or group that APPLAUDED the attempted assassination of Giffords. Point to me the mainstream right wing individual or group that has APPLAUDED this attack.

You disgusting and dishonestly attempt to wrap in "violent rhetoric" into your post to try and get your pathetic jab in despite it having no real relevance....becuaes you know damn well that mainstream on the Right do not support white supremacy, do not support killing Muslims and those that look like them, do not support literally attepmting to assassinate congressman.

When idiots decide to over reach and make ridiculously ignorant, pathetic, and sick statements for political purposes by raping the situation surrounding these tragedies so that they can launch attacks....calling such idiots to task is NOT suggesting support for the horrific actions that happened.

Suggesting the Mayors were wrong in threatening government action against someone for their stated beliefs on an issue is not suggesting that Cathy's views were correct.

Jon Stewart blasting ABC's Brian Ross for ignorantly deciding to jump on the bandwagon of "Tea Party = Crazy Guy" with the Colorado shooter doens't mean he's in favor of a guy blasting up a theater.

People attacking those who decided to immedietely blame the tea party movement and Sarah Palin for a bat**** crazy, obssessed, fringe extremist trying to kill a congresswoman is not applauding his actions.

Horrible tragedies don't give idiots in the media and elsewhere the right to make dumbass overreaching exclamations and statements without being called on it.
 
Ikari said:
Likely when there are no more humans left.
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Sadly this is probably the case. Tribalism is inherent to human nature, and there will always be those that have whatever issue of the mind or soul that leads them to take this kind of horrific action.
 
Zyphlin said:
Sadly this is probably the case. Tribalism is inherent to human nature, and there will always be those that have whatever issue of the mind or soul that leads them to take this kind of horrific action.
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That and there are just demographics to consider on aggregate. There's a lot of us, and some non-zero portion of our population is going to act against other people. It's just a generality of aggregate society. There will be good people, there will be bad people. Stable society requires the vast majority of us to be "good", and I do think that's the case. But there's always going to be some non-zero portion of crime and jerks out there. Humanity's ability to create is eclipsed only by our ability to destroy and we will engage both of these frequently. But even if the world came together and we didn't really need to worry about fighting other countries, we'd still have some amount of danger present in humans themselves and even under the most ideal of cases, if you consider human nature then you must understand, and on some level accept, the aggregate behavior of the species.
 
Unfortunately there's a better than average chance this moron thought he was attacking a mosque.
 
longview said:
Unfortunately there's a better than average chance this moron thought he was attacking a mosque.
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As in, in wouldn't have been so bad if it was a mosque?
 
longview said:
Unfortunately there's a better than average chance this moron thought he was attacking a mosque.
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Why is this unfortunate?


If it was a mosque would it have made it a good thing?
 
longview said:
Unfortunately there's a better than average chance this moron thought he was attacking a mosque.
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Possibly, but his action still fits into attacking something "foreign" and "non-white", which would still be legit in his viewpoint.
 
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lizzie said:
No, you didn't. You've been accusing people in the southern US of this crap ever since I remember reading your posts on this forum.
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Actually, the right reacts with frenzied defense and accusations of playing the racism card every time it's mentioned. The fact is, this clown may belong to a minority but there are a hell of a lot of people on the Right who wouldn't do this but 'understand' why somebody would.

And please don't play the 'poor white southerner' card. They gave up any right for sympathy around 1964.
 
Zyphlin said:
Whose suggested that.

There absolutely are white supremacists and neo-nazi's.

The imagination is those that suggest that somehow such things are in any way "mainstream" within "the right wing" or that is worthy of being spoken about in the same breath as the mainstream "right" of this country as if they're just a standard subset rather than a minority fringe thing. Or the imagination is that anyone who ever doesn't agree with the majority of the left on anything involving a racial aspect is somehow a "White Supremacist".
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The Far Right gets in bed with these folks philosophically on a daily basis. It's why you have 'Hussein Obama' and 'half-breed' posts about the President.
 
VanceMack said:
They are handling this very different from recent shootings. Within hours we knew at least a bit about what we were dealing with. Its taken 24 hours and we still have only the barest of accounts. Good and bad I guess except that it has caused so much mindless speculation. Thoughts and prayers to the families of the victims.
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It turns out the 'speculation' that the guy was a white supremacist and that the shootings were racially motiviated wasn't quite as 'mindless' as those on the Far Right wanted to believe.
 
Just as an observation point... something for all of you on both sides of the aisle to remember as one side blames the other for what happened. The ideology is not the problem... for two reasons. Firstly, it is people who choose how to respond to their beliefs. Two people can have the same beliefs and both can respond and react to those beliefs completely differently. And secondly, anyone who uses the actions of an extremist to condemn an entire group... NOT just the extremists of that group, doesn't know what they are talking about and are just making invalid and ridiculous overgeneralizations, probably based on their own invalid biases. So... leftwingers... please remember this when you foolishly try to condemn right wing ideology for what happened in Milwaukee.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled foolish partisan bashing.
 
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