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Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

Yeah. It is a very diverse region of the world. But people from India, including Sikhs, are most definitely Asian. They consider themselves Asian, as do all demographic statistics and whatnot.

They do not consider themselves "Asian," as in the mongoloid Asians familiar to China, Japan, and Southeast Asia.

Most Sikhs hail from the Punjabi region of India and Pakistan. They consider themselves Aryans and might be offended if you were to refer to them as otherwise.
 
They do not consider themselves "Asian," as in the mongoloid Asians familiar to China, Japan, and Southeast Asia.

Most Sikhs hail from the Punjabi region of India and Pakistan. They consider themselves Aryans and might be offended if you were to refer to them as otherwise.

When we use caucasian we mean white and i doubt anyone from india consider's themselves white.
 
They do not consider themselves "Asian," as in the mongoloid Asians familiar to China, Japan, and Southeast Asia.

Most Sikhs hail from the Punjabi region of India and Pakistan. They consider themselves Aryans and might be offended if you were to refer to them as otherwise.

Aryan is an ethnicity within the Asian race. Look man, I've been there. I have a lot of friends who are Sikh. It's cool man, no worries. It is a confusing thing. No judgment for not knowing that, but yeah, they consider themselves Asian, as does everybody else.
 
Is there such a thing as a non psychotic mass murderer?

Mass murderers who are backed by a system of some sort (e.g. heads of government, skyjackers, etc.) don't really have those problems. Psychotic medically means a break from reality, so unless the killers have some sorts of delusions and/or hallucinations they cannot be psychotic. I'm sure some do, but others become lonely and then they crack. Of course, there are those that just seek the attention of the media.
 
When we use caucasian we mean white and i doubt anyone from india consider's themselves white.

No, when you use the term Caucasian you mean white, but that's because you don't know what you're talking about. Do you even know where the Caucasus mountains are? Do you know anything about the history of the term "Aryan"?
 
The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid, Europid, or Europoid)[1] has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia (the Middle East), parts of Central Asia and South Asia.[2] Historically, the term has been used to describe many peoples from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone.[3]
Caucasian race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
No, when you use the term Caucasian you mean white, but that's because you don't know what you're talking about. Do you even know where the Caucasus mountains are? Do you know anything about the history of the term "Aryan"?

im of indian descent so yeah i know.
 
Aryan is an ethnicity within the Asian race. Look man, I've been there. I have a lot of friends who are Sikh. It's cool man, no worries. It is a confusing thing. No judgment for not knowing that, but yeah, they consider themselves Asian, as does everybody else.

They are geographically "Asian" in that they hail from Asia. They are NOT mongoloids. "Asian" is not a race in the geographical sense by which you are using the term. Now sit down.
 
They are geographically "Asian" in that they hail from Asia. They are NOT mongoloids. "Asian" is not a race in the geographical sense by which you are using the term. Now sit down.

US census considers it a race.
 
I do not care a whit.

Then your not getting the argument. There are 5 race categories in the US. Im sure you know what they are. Which one do you think a punjabi person indentifies with?
 
What could possibly be more right wing than beating up a Sikh because you thought he was Muslim and you hate Muslims? That's so right wing that even Bachmann would be a bit uncomfortable about it... Somebody who does that is hard core right wing by definition...

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Then your not getting the argument. There are 5 race categories in the US. Im sure you know what they are. Which one do you think a punjabi person indentifies with?

There are actually only three races: caucasoids, mongoloids, and negroids.

Which one do you think a punjabi identifies?
 
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Sikhs do identify as Asian and demographics always categorize them as Asian.

But, in Sig's defense, it is kind of an interesting question. India is one of the places where our concept of race breaks down. It's right at the intersection of three different "races". And it was a massive trade hub for all three areas for thousands of years. There is even evidence of a trade route between southern Africa and India going back 4,000 years, which is totally insane... In reality, probably just about everybody in India has some ancestors that would today have been considered white, black and Asian if you look back far enough. Keep in mind that just 20 generations ago, there were around 1 million people alive, in just that one generation, who were your ancestor.

But, India is some 3,000 miles past the border between Europe and Asia. As a point of comparison, London is only 2,000 miles away from the border between Europe and Asia. India shares a border with China. That doesn't necessarily mean they are Asian, but that kind of puts their decision to identify as Asian in context I think.
 
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Sikhs do identify as Asian and demographics always categorize them as Asian.

But, in Sig's defense, it is kind of an interesting question. India is one of the places where our concept of race breaks down. It's right at the intersection of three different "races". And it was a massive trade hub for all three areas for thousands of years. There is even evidence of a trade route between southern Africa and India going back 4,000 years, which is totally insane... In reality, probably just about everybody in India has some ancestors that would today have been considered white, black and Asian.

But, India is some 3,000 miles past the border between Europe and Asia. It shares a border with China. That doesn't necessarily mean they are Asian, but that kind of puts their decision to identify as Asian in context I think.

Racially speaking, Punjabis do NOT consider themselves mongoloids. Never have.
 
Does the US census have a category

Caucasian right now?

This is from the census site:

The U.S. Census Bureau must adhere to the 1997 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) standards on race and ethnicity which guide the Census Bureau in classifying written responses to the race question:

White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

Black or African American – A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.

American Indian or Alaska Native – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment.

Asian – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.

Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.

The 1997 OMB standards permit the reporting of more than one race.
 
Racially speaking, Punjabis do NOT consider themselves mongoloids. Never have.

But they fill out Asian in the US census and not white/caucasian.

"White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Scottish, Italian, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish."[12]
"Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as 'Black, African Am.' or provide written entries such as Kenyan, Nigerian, or Haitian."[12]
"American Indian and Alaska Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintain tribal affiliation or community attachment."[12]
"Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes 'Asian Indian,' 'Chinese', 'Filipino', 'Korean', 'Japanese', 'Vietnamese', and 'Other Asian'."[12]
"Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. It includes people who indicate their race as 'Native Hawaiian', 'Guamanian or Chamorro', 'Samoan', and 'Other Pacific Islander'."[12]
"Some other race. Includes all other responses not included in the 'White', 'Black or African American', 'American Indian and Alaska Native', 'Asian' and 'Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander' race categories described above. Respondents providing write-in entries such as multiracial, mixed, interracial, We-Sort, or a Hispanic/Latino group (for example, Mexican, Puerto Rican, or Cuban) in the "Some other race" category are included here."[12]
"Two or more races. People may have chosen to provide two or more races either by checking two or more race response check boxes, by providing multiple write-in responses, or by some combination of check boxes and write-in responses."[12]
 
Racially speaking, Punjabis do NOT consider themselves mongoloids. Never have.

I mean, most Sikh's consider themselves Sikh first, Punjabi second, Indian third, and Asian fourth, depending on how far you zoom out. It isn't so much a genetic categorization. Like I explained, the genetic piece doesn't really make much sense there since everybody is everything. But they do identify as Asian. That isn't something debateable. Anybody who knows any Sikhs in real life is aware of that. Anybody who has been there or even who knows a lot of Indians is aware of that. But still, I do think you raised an interesting topic for what it's worth.
 
This is how the question looked in the 2010 census.


Snapshot: Race in the US Census
The 23rd federal census, 2010 [11] asks one ethnic and one race question (questions 1-4 not reproduced here, questions 5 and 6 paraphrased):
8. Is the person of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?
No, not of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin
Yes, Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano
Yes, Puerto Rican
Yes, Cuban
Yes, another Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin — Print origin, for example, Argentinean, Colombian, Dominican, Nicaraguan, Salvadoran, Spaniard, and so on.
9. What is the person's race?
White
Black, African Am., or Negro
American Indian or Alaska Native — Print name of enrolled or principal tribe.
Asian Indian
Chinese
Filipino
Other Asian — Print race, for example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai, Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on.
Japanese
Korean
Vietnamese
Native Hawaiian
Guamanian or Chamorro
Samoan
Other Pacific Islander — Print race, for example, Fijian, Tongan, and so on.
Some other race — Print race.
 
It would surprise the hell out of me if it was random. My money says that if the shooters were white guys the shooters are ignorant pissants who don't actually know anything about Sikhs. Rather, they chose to shoot them because most Sikhs are brown and they were turbans.

One thing for certain is that it's another hate crime. I'm getting sick of hate and haters. I'm tired of people who label and stereotype and hurl invectives at an entire group.

As always I regret the tragedy. I am sorry that it has happened to the Sihk community. I have friends who are Sikhs. They are peaceful people, but are revered and regarded as fierce fighters in combat.
the current thinking is that the asshole who shot these people was too stupid to understand that Sikhs are not Muslims and it appears that this mope-who had 9-11 tattooed on him was a muslim hater.

I recall a Sikh cab driver was murdered by some racist turd after 9-11 not knowing the difference
 
My girlfriend's roommate had friends in the temple when the shooting occurred. They're all okay.

This is racist terrorism against a minority Sikh population. Anyone that doesn't believe this is on par with any of the acts of "Muslim terrorism" can shove it up their racist asshole. Terrorism is committed by people that are mentally unstable, not solely religiously motivated.
 
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