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Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee

Harry Guerrilla said:
Why were they not liberals?
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This is getting silly again, if you don't know, if you don't have an understanding, i can't continue on with this. there has to be some level of basic understanding of US poli-sci .....and it just doesnt seem to be there. I have already explained how in very general terms....the rest is up to find out. I am not here to educate you up to a 4th year HS level.



The fact that both Southern and Northern Democrats were broadly supportive of the New Deal.
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When it came to supporting economic programs that helped their state, the South was on board....

The coalition was never formally organized, and the constituent members often disagreed. The coalition usually supported liberal proposals in domestic affairs, but was less united in terms of foreign policy and racial issues.

A coalition that stayed together, up and until the Civil Rights issue.
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Yup, as noted above.



You made a broad and vague accusation.
What else am I to do?

You're just trying really hard to avoid my questions by deflection.
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No, I made fun of your errors, your semantic games, your twisting.....but on most fact based arguments, I directly answered you.

Gotta go, time to eat.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Some people here believe that racism is automatically right wing.
When there are many instances of left wing groups espousing racism.
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Perhaps if you quoted a few current 'left-wing' groups espousing racism, rather than 200-year-old examples, when 'left' and 'right' had utterly different connotations, it might help. Nevertheless....

It depends on what one defines as 'left' and 'right', doesn't it? As there is no clear or rational definition of what these words mean, to someone identifying themself as left-wing, right-wing will always denote something universally recognised as unfavourable. And vice versa. These 'left' and 'right' terms in a US political context are virtually meaningless.

Nothing, except that someone decided to start crapping on this thread by accusing right wing people of being racist, hate mongers.
In a manner of speaking.
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Kinda depends on what you mean by 'right-wing' doesn't it? I'd suggest that being a staunch nationalist makes being non-racist a fairly tall order.
 
Matt Foley said:
Actually bigotry means what you think it doesn't mean, and doesn't mean what you think it means.
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Yeah, I heard. You guys decided that now it means "having an opinion about anything"... So, somebody who likes strawberry jam is just as evil as Hitler now, so why even bother talking about it at all, right?

Uh, no.
 
Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee

Gimmesometruth said:
This is getting silly again, if you don't know, if you don't have an understanding, i can't continue on with this. there has to be some level of basic understanding of US poli-sci .....and it just doesnt seem to be there. I have already explained how in very general terms....the rest is up to find out. I am not here to educate you up to a 4th year HS level.
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Right, you're dodging again.
You say they weren't but can't provide specifics.

Basically, they weren't liberals because they were racist.
Classic disassociation of bad history, through denial.

Gimmesometruth said:
When it came to supporting economic programs that helped their state, the South was on board....

The coalition was never formally organized, and the constituent members often disagreed. The coalition usually supported liberal proposals in domestic affairs, but was less united in terms of foreign policy and racial issues.
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Which were policies we typically identify within the liberal sphere of the political world.


Gimmesometruth said:
No, I made fun of your errors, your semantic games, your twisting.....but on most fact based arguments, I directly answered you.

Gotta go, time to eat.
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No you didn't.

You never really answered any questions, just went on about semantics, as an avoidance tactic.
Complained about vagueness and generalities, but used them exceedingly yourself.
Dodging specifics, turn after turn.
 
Andalublue said:
Perhaps if you quoted a few current 'left-wing' groups espousing racism, rather than 200-year-old examples, when 'left' and 'right' had utterly different connotations, it might help. Nevertheless....
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Here's a more recent example, Senator Byrd of West Virginia.
 
Andalublue said:
Perhaps if you quoted a few current 'left-wing' groups espousing racism, rather than 200-year-old examples, when 'left' and 'right' had utterly different connotations, it might help. Nevertheless....
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The New Black Pather Party is pretty nasty.

Andalublue said:
It depends on what one defines as 'left' and 'right', doesn't it? As there is no clear or rational definition of what these words mean, to someone identifying themself as left-wing, right-wing will always denote something universally recognised as unfavourable. And vice versa. These 'left' and 'right' terms in a US political context are virtually meaningless.
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I greatly dislike the American left/right spectrum.
They cross over each other all the time, so to characterize them as right or left is inaccurate to me.

Andalublue said:
Kinda depends on what you mean by 'right-wing' doesn't it? I'd suggest that being a staunch nationalist makes being non-racist a fairly tall order.
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That would make American liberals right wing, in many instances.
 
Wow....231 posts into it and several warnings and I thought for SURE we would know something about who, how, and why before the personal stuff started flying...
 
VanceMack said:
Wow....231 posts into it and several warnings and I thought for SURE we would know something about who, how, and why before the personal stuff started flying...
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I think he thought they were Muslims. He may be a combat vet that never actually came home or just another bigot like Jim Adkisson and chose the easiest possible target. His SBC agenda was pretty clear and that is probably why he went outside.
 
Yes, they are South Asians and they don't look like East Asians.
 
teamosil said:
Yeah... He does... I think you're mixed up about South Asians. Like people from India other than Sikhs. They're Asian.
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South Asians make up a large number of ethnic groups, north and west india people look Persian, in Arunachal Pradesh they will tend to look Oriental, in southern Indian you get the Tamils, and other similar looking ethnicities


Persians and those that look like them are considered to be caucasians
 
teamosil said:
Yeah... He does... I think you're mixed up about South Asians. Like people from India other than Sikhs. They're Asian.
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I think you need to stop typing and start reading. Most Sikhs are Aryans.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
South Asians make up a large number of ethnic groups, north and west india people look Persian, in Arunachal Pradesh they will tend to look Oriental, in southern Indian you get the Tamils, and other similar looking ethnicities

Persians and those that look like them are considered to be caucasians
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Yeah. It is a very diverse region of the world. But people from India, including Sikhs, are most definitely Asian. They consider themselves Asian, as do all demographic statistics and whatnot.
 
teamosil said:
Yeah. It is a very diverse region of the world. But people from India, including Sikhs, are most definitely Asian. They consider themselves Asian, as do all demographic statistics and whatnot.
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The 2010 Census had a asian indian as a selection.
 
teamosil said:
Yeah. It is a very diverse region of the world. But people from India, including Sikhs, are most definitely Asian. They consider themselves Asian, as do all demographic statistics and whatnot.
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That they are "asian" does not mean they can not be caucasian as well
 
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