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Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

Conservative said:
So instead of 13.5 million it would be 12.8 million unemployed? You seem to have problems with numbers, millions are bigger than thousands
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And the current levels are less than in Jan 2009.

Imagine how much better we would be without those losses.
 
Conservative said:
spoken like a true big govt. liberal and obviously wrong, a growing private sector can support a growing govt. but not the other way around where you expect a growing public sector to create a bigger private sector.
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Private sector growth has happened under this admin, better than the last one...who you voted for.
 
Conservative said:
spoken like a true big govt. liberal and obviously wrong, a growing private sector can support a growing govt. but not the other way around where you expect a growing public sector to create a bigger private sector.
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Are they the only ones who speak the truth? Is that your claim?

You try to hard to avoid points by throwing out your stereotypes. This is lazy as an argument.

And right now, the private sector is growing and the public is shrinking. What in that supports your thesis?
 
Conservative said:
No, sorry that isn't true either, you are batting 0 for the thread
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Private employment is GREATER now than in Jan 2009. Private employment under Bush was less in the same time period.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Are they the only ones who speak the truth? Is that your claim?

You try to hard to avoid points by throwing out your stereotypes. This is lazy as an argument.

And right now, the private sector is growing and the public is shrinking. What in that supports your thesis?
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When the recession started there were 115 million private sector employees, today that is 111 million, that isn't growth and it took over a trillion dollars in stimulus to generate those numbers. All Obama has been able to do is spent over a trillion dollars and generate 400,000 more private sector jobs than when he took office. Facts have a simple way of getting in the way of your personal opinions. You must think you are dealing with a typical Obama supporter that buys your liberal garbage
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Private employment is GREATER now than in Jan 2009. Private employment under Bush was less in the same time period.
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I won't be voting for Bush in November 2012 but will be voting for someone in November who had a better employment record that Obama
 
Conservative said:
When the recession started there were 115 million private sector employees, today that is 111 million, that isn't growth and it took over a trillion dollars in stimulus to generate those numbers. All Obama has been able to do is spent over a trillion dollars and generate 400,000 more private sector jobs than when he took office. Facts have a simple way of getting in the way of your personal opinions. You must think you are dealing with a typical Obama supporter that buys your liberal garbage
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Obama was not President when the recession started, the recession was a result of Bush's policies.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh yes, they are. 13.7 is less than 14.2.


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Better tell that to BLS because apparently they got it wrong

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS13000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level
Labor force status: Unemployed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2000 to 2010

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
2008 7678 7491 7816 7631 8395 8578 8950 9450 9501 10083 10544 11299
2009 12049 12860 13389 13796 14505 14727 14646 14861 15012 15421 15227 15124
2010 14953 15039 15128 15221 14876 14517 14609 14735 14574 14636 15104 14393
2011 13919 13751 13628 13792 13892 14024 13908 13920 13897 13759 13323 13097
2012 12758 12806 12673 12500 12720 12749 12794
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Gimmesometruth said:
Obama was not President when the recession started, the recession was a result of Bush's policies.
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So I have been told, wonder why the Democrats in control of Congress didn't do something about it?
 
Conservative said:
I won't be voting for Bush in November 2012 but will be voting for someone in November who had a better employment record that Obama
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You changed the subject again, private employment has recovered AND increased under Obama.

So much for the "hindered" claim.
 
Conservative said:
So I have been told, wonder why the Democrats in control of Congress didn't do something about it?
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Some wanted to impeach Bush, but the GOP would not go along.....and then his policies created the gdp plunge.
 
Conservative said:
When the recession started there were 115 million private sector employees, today that is 111 million, that isn't growth and it took over a trillion dollars in stimulus to generate those numbers. All Obama has been able to do is spent over a trillion dollars and generate 400,000 more private sector jobs than when he took office. Facts have a simple way of getting in the way of your personal opinions. You must think you are dealing with a typical Obama supporter that buys your liberal garbage
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Yeah, times got rough, real rough. ANd that damage was done before Obama took office. Did you think they would swear him in and the sun would shine, robins would sing and all problems woudl vanish? No preident created these problems and none can make them better. It will take time and a lot of work from a lot of people, including you and me and the private sector. But government does not and can not control the economy without taking control. If you want the government to, lobby for that and help us beciome China (who don't have much for regulations). If you don't, quit whining that government hasn't fixed this problem.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You changed the subject again, private employment has recovered AND increased under Obama.

So much for the "hindered" claim.
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Only enough to satisfy the "Jay-Walker" Obama supporter. 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans don't see it your way
 
Boo Radley said:
Yeah, times got rough, real rough. ANd that damage was done before Obama took office. Did you think they would swear him in and the sun would shine, robins would sing and all problems woudl vanish? No preident created these problems and none can make them better. It will take time and a lot of work from a lot of people, including you and me and the private sector. But government does not and can not control the economy without taking control. If you want the government to, lobby for that and help us beciome China (who don't have much for regulations). If you don't, quit whining that government hasn't fixed this problem.
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According to Obama, yep, expected him to keep his promises but knew he couldn't because his resume didn't justify the job. Zero leadership skills led to the results we have today and a one term President
 
Conservative said:
According to Obama, yep, expected him to keep his promises but knew he couldn't because his resume didn't justify the job. Zero leadership skills led to the results we have today and a one term President
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GOP couldn't stop it, impeachment begins in the House. Democrats didn't move forward because they wanted the issue not their quotes about the war put into public. You really have been brainwashed.
 
Fletch said:
Which policies, exactly?
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Don't expect an answer because you won't find one. Amazing how Bush with a Democrat controlled Congress created the problems all by himself but Obama with a Democrat controlled Congress couldn't generate better results after spending over a trillion dollars and adding 5.4 trillion to the debt.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh yes, they are. 13.7 is less than 14.2.
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So...there are less unemployed people, even though the unemployment rate is worse now AND there are more people now then when Obama took over?

How could that be?

Simple - the participation rate.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

The workforce participation rate is a full 2 percentage points lower then when Obama took over - and even the most optimistic Liberal think tanks say that at MOST, half of those left the work force due to retirement (and even those that retired - it is impossible to know how many of those did so prematurely because they could not find full time employment).

That leaves at least 1% of the 'civilian noninstitutional population' since Obama took over that want full time employment - but because they are so discouraged they have given up looking.

Employment Situation Summary Table A. Household data, seasonally adjusted

A little quick math will tell you that there are actually 2.433 million more unemployed Americans then the government is currently listing because they do not count discouraged workers as unemployed - even though these workers (theoretically) want full time jobs just as much as those that are officially unemployed.
 
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Conservative said:
Only enough to satisfy the "Jay-Walker" Obama supporter. 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans don't see it your way
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I already showed you that this is not a true statement, many of those unemployed will vote for the President. They are not going to vote for a candidate and party whose platform will INCREASE unemployment.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yeah, times got rough, real rough. ANd that damage was done before Obama took office. Did you think they would swear him in and the sun would shine, robins would sing and all problems woudl vanish? No preident created these problems and none can make them better. It will take time and a lot of work from a lot of people, including you and me and the private sector. But government does not and can not control the economy without taking control. If you want the government to, lobby for that and help us beciome China (who don't have much for regulations). If you don't, quit whining that government hasn't fixed this problem.
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Government has taken control. When government puts up a stop sign you are required to stop. Government sets policy, and the president is the commander in chief and the buck stops with him. Have you ever heard business say, "government get out of the way" meaning government is in their face over regulating, taxing, and now imposing Obamacare costing businesses more and more money to operate.
 
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