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Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

See, once again, you don't correct yourself, you don't limit your comment to what was said before.....you continue to go off on the tangent you created.

There is no communicating with you, you are only interested in your own meme no matter what the subject was. The subject is not Reagan, the subject is not "blaming Bush".

Actually the subject is unemployment rises and it did again. Here we are 3 years after the end of the recession and no better off than we were when the recession began. You want to blame Bush and ignore Obama results.
 
"Your" President said in 2011 when the economic growth was 2.5% that raising taxes on anyone at this time was not a good idea but now with GDP at 1.5% it is? Keep diverting and beating the Obama drum. You made a mistake in 2008 and now will compound it in 2012.
I am not diverting....that has been entirely your occupation. You have moved the conversation totally away from "this is the worst recovery", ignoring that as far as payroll jobs recoveries.....it is not.
 
I am not diverting....that has been entirely your occupation. You have moved the conversation totally away from "this is the worst recovery", ignoring that as far as payroll jobs recoveries.....it is not.

The thread topic is unemployment rises, True or False? Are there more unemployed this month than last month, true or false? Are there more unemployed today than when the recession began, true or false?
 
I am not diverting....that has been entirely your occupation. You have moved the conversation totally away from "this is the worst recovery", ignoring that as far as payroll jobs recoveries.....it is not.

At a 1.5% GDP you can make a safe bet that will not create jobs. No growth no jobs. 1.5% GDP is not enough growth to create hiring.
 
That's a cop-out, no one is forcing you to buy anything except Obamacare.

It is not a cop out. Some products do not have an American made alternative and therefore I do not have the option to buy American. Whenever a good or service is made locally I buy that and will pay more for it. If not I attempt to buy American. And then I try to buy anything other than chinese or mexican. Sometimes you have no choice.
 
Actually the subject is unemployment rises and it did again. Here we are 3 years after the end of the recession and no better off than we were when the recession began. You want to blame Bush and ignore Obama results.
I did not blame Bush, and it doesn't matter what level of explanation is used, you still cannot move your comments from that obvious error. You make an error, and even after it is shown to you, you still keep repeating it.

Private payroll has increased significantly, the public employment austerity layoffs have still not been absorbed....and won't be by private business until demand increases, and demand won't increase until this viscous cycle is ended.
 
i provided facts and data for my reasoning.

The thread topic is unemployment rises, True or False? Are there more unemployed this month than last month, true or false? Are there more unemployed today than when the recession began, true or false?
 
Actually the subject is unemployment rises and it did again. Here we are 3 years after the end of the recession and no better off than we were when the recession began. You want to blame Bush and ignore Obama results.

The fact is a higher percentage of adults are working today full time than there was. That is an improvement.
 
I did not blame Bush, and it doesn't matter what level of explanation is used, you still cannot move your comments from that obvious error. You make an error, and even after it is shown to you, you still keep repeating it.

Private payroll has increased significantly, the public employment austerity layoffs have still not been absorbed....and won't be by private business until demand increases, and demand won't increase until this viscous cycle is ended.

Really? So there are more employed today than when the recession began? Have you told your "theory" to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Worst recovery ever from a recession
 
The fact is a higher percentage of adults are working today full time than there was. That is an improvement.

LOL, ok, guess those 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans aren't adults?

There are more adults working today than when?
 
The thread topic is unemployment rises, True or False? Are there more unemployed this month than last month, true or false? Are there more unemployed today than when the recession began, true or false?

And I have answered that. A higher percentage of American adults are working full time than there was 2 years ago. A smaller percentage of Americans are underemployed. That is an improvement.
 
LOL, ok, guess those 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans aren't adult

Somehow higher percentage = not adult? And actually the numbers I posted showed that the percentage of under and unemployed americans has been slowly decreasing. Did you even read what I posted? Because I think you are replying to some idea in your head while quoting me.
 
At a 1.5% GDP you can make a safe bet that will not create jobs. No growth no jobs. 1.5% GDP is not enough growth to create hiring.
GDP is a measure of spending, spending has been reduced because people have cut back...we have cut back because of debt and lower incomes....lowered demand is reflected in lower GDP. GDP also measures govt spending....you want lower govt spending...you get lowered GDP.

This is not that tough to understand.
 
And I have answered that. A higher percentage of American adults are working full time than there was 2 years ago. A smaller percentage of Americans are underemployed. That is an improvement.

Aw, yes, all at a cost of 5.4 trillion dollar increase in the national debt. Vs. 2 years ago shouldn't be the measurement, are we better off today as a country than when Obama took office and the answer is NO according to the results
 
LOL, ok, guess those 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans aren't adults?

There are more adults working today than when?

Here let me help. My post

Jan 7 2010 we were at 63.3% FT (fulltime) and 19.4% UE (underemployed) 19.4%.
Jan 7 2011 we were at 63.7% FT and 19.2% UE
Jan 7 2012 we were at 65.2% FT and 18.3% UE
Aug 1 2012 we were at 66.6% FT and 17.1% UE

Those numbers show improvement and I think are more of an indication of job market growth and job quality.

source: Gallup Daily: U.S. Employment
 
I am not diverting....that has been entirely your occupation. You have moved the conversation totally away from "this is the worst recovery", ignoring that as far as payroll jobs recoveries.....it is not.


Then all the economist are wrong and you're right? :mrgreen:

MoneyWatch - Markets & Investing - CBS News

"Employers added 64,000 jobs in June, a third straight month of weak hiring. In the second quarter, the economy created an average of 75,000 jobs a month, one-third of the 226,000 jobs a month created in the first quarter.

The recent growth rate is too low to significantly reduce unemployment. The economy needs to add upwards of 100,000 jobs a month simply to keep pace with the number of people entering the labor force. To make deeper inroads into the jobless rate, at least 250,000 jobs must be created each month.



I guess we will have to wait a couple of weeks for the "actual jobs created" revisions to come out to really know the facts.
 
Aw, yes, all at a cost of 5.4 trillion dollar increase in the national debt. Vs. 2 years ago shouldn't be the measurement, are we better off today as a country than when Obama took office and the answer is NO according to the results

That is not the question of the thread. Again you are quoting me but replying to something else. Focus please.
 
Here let me help. My post

Jan 7 2010 we were at 63.3% FT (fulltime) and 19.4% UE (underemployed) 19.4%.
Jan 7 2011 we were at 63.7% FT and 19.2% UE
Jan 7 2012 we were at 65.2% FT and 18.3% UE
Aug 1 2012 we were at 66.6% FT and 17.1% UE

Those numbers show improvement and I think are more of an indication of job market growth and job quality.

source: Gallup Daily: U.S. Employment

So you believe having 23 million unemployed/under employed at a cost of 5.4 trillion added to the debt is an improvement because Gallup says it is less than two years ago?
 
That is not the question of the thread. Again you are quoting me but replying to something else. Focus please.

The topic of the thread is unemployment rises, is that true or false?
 
The thread topic is unemployment rises, True or False?
Billy, the OP made a comment, i responded, you took that response and went on your favorite tangents.
Are there more unemployed this month than last month, true or false?
July trends down as a seasonal event.
Are there more unemployed today than when the recession began, true or false?
Than when the recession began....in Dec 07? Uh....that is what happens with lagging indicators...like employment....after the worst recession since 29.
Duh.
 
GDP is a measure of spending, spending has been reduced because people have cut back...we have cut back because of debt and lower incomes....lowered demand is reflected in lower GDP. GDP also measures govt spending....you want lower govt spending...you get lowered GDP.

This is not that tough to understand.

So you believe raising taxes on the rich is going to increase consumer spending, create more jobs, and improve the GDP? That seems to me to be liberal logic and false.
 
Billy, the OP made a comment, i responded, you took that response and went on your favorite tangents. July trends down as a seasonal event.Than when the recession began....in Dec 07? Uh....that is what happens with lagging indicators...like employment....after the worst recession since 29.
Duh.

The worst recession since 29? By whose standards and by what standards was this worse than 1981? How old were you then?

So the trend down in July is seasonal? Why, it is the height of summer vacations and hiring.

You want badly to believe the liberal rhetoric when the facts just make you look foolish. Did unemployment rise in July?
 
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