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Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

Weird, I still can't get a clear response from you on that whole "understanding" thingy...

You said Obama policies are responsible for his GDP results, So Bush's polices are responsible for his GDP results too......except Bush policies are not responsible....or are they...is anyone's?

You tell us.

Stand by the statement, you want to discuss this start another thread and I will be happy to kick your ass further.
 
Stand by the statement, you want to discuss this start another thread and I will be happy to kick your ass further.
You are standing by a contradiction, and you haven't kicked anything but yourself.

Must have hit a nerve!





The economy is growing at 1.5% and that isn't enough to create employment and that is the responsibility of the Obama economic policies
Bush is responsible for the results just like Obama is responsible for the results today. Leaders cannot delegate responsibility. Bush policies had nothing to do with the results but they are what they are
 
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I know.....just like it caused commodity inflation previously!


kookie ideas!

It did, printing money devalues the currency. Since commodities are pegged to the dollar worldwide, we have commodity inflation.
 
If I were President, and I should be, I would question having to pass every bill with a super-majority. I would push for compromise...like Reagan. I miss Reagan.

Which part do you miss most? The massive growth of the federal government? The ballooning deficit? Amnesty for illegal immigrants? Arming out enemies and illegally diverting the money? Leaving our marines as sitting ducks in Lebanon and then fleeing just to make sure the message that terrorism works is heard? Ignoring AIDS? Fighting sanctions against the apartheid regime?
 
I found this part interesting. "The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for…June was revised from +80,000 to +64,000."

Employment Situation Summary

80k wasn't bad enough...it was REALLY 64k! I mean really how confident can one be in numbers that are adjusted 20% a month later?
 
Which part do you miss most? The massive growth of the federal government? The ballooning deficit? Amnesty for illegal immigrants? Arming out enemies and illegally diverting the money? Leaving our marines as sitting ducks in Lebanon and then fleeing just to make sure the message that terrorism works is heard? Ignoring AIDS? Fighting sanctions against the apartheid regime?

You posted egregiously false numbers. You gonna go back and validate them with some currently imaginary basis ? Or admit that you are new here, and sturggle with accurate data ?
 
It did, printing money devalues the currency. Since commodities are pegged to the dollar worldwide, we have commodity inflation.
Um...DID NOT HAPPEN.

Still batting 0.000
 
Which part do you miss most? The massive growth of the federal government? The ballooning deficit? Amnesty for illegal immigrants? Arming out enemies and illegally diverting the money? Leaving our marines as sitting ducks in Lebanon and then fleeing just to make sure the message that terrorism works is heard? Ignoring AIDS? Fighting sanctions against the apartheid regime?

Aw, yes, let's relive the Reagan years and its 16 million net job growth, doubling of GDP, 60% growth of govt. revenue and the destruction of the Soviet Union giving Clinton a peace dividend all in a thread about the unemployment rate rising to 8.3. Typical Jay Walking attempt to divert from the Obama record of a labor force less than before the recession, a net job loss, more unemployed, more discouraged workers, 5.4 trillion added to the debt, 1.5% GDP growth. I can see why that is so important to you. Anyone that supports Obama doesn't have a lot of credibility and newbie that includes you
 
Which part do you miss most?

The part where he and a Democratic Congress together 'aligned the stars' to promote the longest period of STRONG economic growth in the Country's history...or did you think Clinton did it on his own?

ps. This is quite off topic...
 
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Which part do you miss most? The massive growth of the federal government? The ballooning deficit? Amnesty for illegal immigrants? Arming out enemies and illegally diverting the money? Leaving our marines as sitting ducks in Lebanon and then fleeing just to make sure the message that terrorism works is heard? Ignoring AIDS? Fighting sanctions against the apartheid regime?

I miss him staring down the Soviets and averting what most feared would end in an unrestrained nuclear holocaust. He had to compromise on spending issues which sucked, but that's what good presidents do.
 
I am trying to understand people like you but you make it difficult. What is it about Obama that creates this kind of loyalty? The results just don't warrant it no matter how much you try to blame Bush almost four years later. If Bush had results like Obama you would be outraged as would I. The difference is you ignore the results and still blame Bush. Why since I know you are smarter than this?

You think you have it bad. I am trying to grasp the logic that says "Since we have been going down hill for 30 years of following certain policies, the answer is twice as much of those failed policies will make it better? We want to try something different now and more like the policies that created this nations greatest moments, the postwar years. We are still suffering under Reagan and the Bush's supplyside voodoo economic BS, that has increased the wealth of the top 5% by 5 times to over $40 trillion in net worth while leaving the other 95% languishing. We need at least 26 more years of a different more balanced approach, we will see which is better after that.
I also wonder why you think we should reward the GOP for making such a mess of our economy that it spread worldwide and Europe hasn't even found a way out of it yet? To you the key is to make a big enough mess that it can't be fixed in 4 years, you blame the new guy and get right back in? At least we are not in a recession, which is where we will be if Romney won. There's the reason I want Obama, I hate recessions. That's where we differ I'm sure. Did you think everybody likes recessions? I'm not one of those who think all of us need to suffer because we have been bad boys and girls. We just want to get on with our lives without the rug being yanked out from under us.
 
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Obama will continue to polish this turd.
 
No commodity inflation? Could swear its the highest it's been in 30 years. My bad.

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The libs are just making **** up now. Reality sucks so bad on their watch, everything is now the other side of the looking glass. From Obama, to the dumbest lib in this forum (now that's a contest there !). Its all la-la land.
 
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Lower taxes create an atmosphere for positive economic growth. What do you do when you get more spendable income? Does more spendable income translate into more economic activity?

Not when lower taxes only means more $ socked away in hedge funds which is all that has been happening in the upper bracket. Those people spend all the want regardless.
We really don't want or need the top 5% to keep adding to that $40 trillion nest egg, alot of that is used to bid up commoditites instead of being invested in growth and production.
You do realize that those "poor" demonized top 5% have ammased a fortune that is greater than all the money ever created before 1980. Just 15% of that fortune would cut our national debt in half and they wouldn't feel a thing. I think that is what scares them so.
 
Not when lower taxes only means more $ socked away in hedge funds which is all that has been happening in the upper bracket. Those people spend all the want regardless.
We really don't want or need the top 5% to keep adding to that $40 trillion nest egg, alot of that is used to bid up commoditites instead of being invested in growth and production.
You do realize that those "poor" demonized top 5% have ammased a fortune that is greater than all the money ever created before 1980. Just 15% of that fortune would cut our national debt in half and they wouldn't feel a thing. I think that is what scares them so.

And they don't buy stuff, like private jets, yachts, big homes, resorts, that keep people working. Remember the luxury tax that killed that market puting companies out of work. Yeah keep raising taxes on the rich and you have companies going bankrupt. Further the rich then go put their money overseas. Yep Good idea.
 
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Lets see if you can find the effective point.....


(hint: It's at 11-2010)

US Inflation Rate for Commodities

I see that the CPI % doubled from Oct. 2010 when QE2 started, climbed into double digits by Apr 2011 when it leveled off and began to decline in Nov. 2011. Now we are talking about QE3, which will cause investors to get in ahead of the inevitable commodity price increase. Quantitative easing is synonymous with inflation...that is its purpose. That's all fine and dandy if you're a commodities broker or a billion dollar investment firm, as long as you get the timing right. Poor and middle class families suffer when necessities jump in price by 10 to 20% year to year.
 
Obama will continue to polish this turd.

So would Bush, Romney or any other president. They can't control it, so they have little choice but to polish. The only difference is with those two more republicans would be helping and more democrats would be talking about them polisihing the turd.
 
I see that the CPI % doubled from Oct. 2010 when QE2 started, climbed into double digits by Apr 2011 when it leveled off and began to decline in Nov. 2011. Now we are talking about QE3, which will cause investors to get in ahead of the inevitable commodity price increase. Quantitative easing is synonymous with inflation...that is its purpose. That's all fine and dandy if you're a commodities broker or a billion dollar investment firm, as long as you get the timing right. Poor and middle class families suffer when necessities jump in price by 10 to 20% year to year.
You see a near linear rate of increase since 2003, interrupted by a recession, no spikes or jumps and certainly nothing to indicate any shock. It is no surprise that you once again create something that never happened, thanks for again confirming that.
 
You see a near linear rate of increase since 2003, interrupted by a recession, no spikes or jumps and certainly nothing to indicate any shock. It is no surprise that you once again create something that never happened, thanks for again confirming that.

6.04% in Oct 2010 (QE2 Begins), 13.65% in Apr 2011...nope...no spike there!
 
And they don't buy stuff, like private jets, yachts, big homes, resorts, that keep people working. Remember the luxury tax that killed that market puting companies out of work. Yeah keep raising taxes on the rich and you have companies going bankrupt. Further the rich then go put their money overseas. Yep Good idea.

You shouldn't fear them so much. Taxes don't really effect their spending all that much. Studies can be linked showing that if you need them. And business leaves more for the cheap labor and not having to worry about healthcare than it does taxes. Just thought you should know.
 
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