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Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

Again, none of that increases demand and all of it is again tangential rhetoric.

As an Obama supporter I understand why you don't understand how to create demand. You are supporting the right person as Obama doesn't know either. President Romney does
 
Chained dollars don't reflect GDP numbers that generate tax revenue nor create jobs. The real numbers are 15 trillion and that is still too low as it was 14.5 trillion when Bush left office. Therein lies your problem. "Your" President doesn't have a clue how to lead
Oh...this is sad. "Real" dollars are adjusted for inflation, those are REAL dollar amounts, and GDP is not a reflection of revenue....it never has been....nor is it a measure of job creation....again it was never meant to be.....so why someone would make such a silly remark is just ...wild.

It gets even worse when you skip over the reason for the step down in GDP. Hint: it was this thing called a "2008 Recession"...look it up sometime.
 
just making sure you understand he was your president :)

Now can you acknowledge that since 2010 the economy has been slowly improving?

and while i got you being honest for a sec do you realize that understanding that the economy is slowly improving acknowledging it does not make someone a liberal or even mean that they support Obama? Do you understand the two are not related?
 
just making sure you understand he was your president :)

Now can you acknowledge that since 2010 the economy has been slowly improving?

I don't call going from 2.5% to 1.5% an improvement nor do I call unemployment and discouraged workers today of 13.6 better than 12.7 when he took office.
 
And none of how much you go on and on and on about would change anything. I am not talking about Obama or how you secretly like him and feel the need to convince yourself not to. I do not blame a single person for our economic successes or failures. It is hilarious to me that if I sit here and state that the economy has gotten better in the last 2 years how many of you people come out and get defensive, assume it is an endorsement for Obama, and suddenly I am a liberal. You people are idiotic. None of that, and I do mean none of that refutes my claim that the economy has improved since 2010. Since you want to bring it up

Like AMERICA has raised our national debt by almost 6 trillion in just 4 yrs. AMERICAN Unemployment has been over 8% for over 40 months, there are more poor IN OUR COUNTRY NOW IN RECENT MEMORY. AMERICAN HAS HAD ITS CREDIT downgraded, on and on I can go.

Helped you out a bit there. Obama does not have complete control over any of these things. Our government and the people of this country are ruining it. Not just Obama, but every one in office is failing, and the American people are making this crap worse. YOU are as much to blame for the crap you listed above as Obama is.

I would suggest you show me where I refute your claim, which you can not do, which I call idiotic.

I did list my claims that you cannot refute.

It is further your opinion that the president does not have complete control. Anything that happens on a presidents watch is his/hers. Period. Obama is the Commander in Chief and is our president, same as presidents before him. It is the president that takes credit for the good times and bad times. The buck stops with him. And I don't care who it is, nor does history as history is written by what happens a that presidents watch.

You can cherry pick all you want, and say, yeah Obama should take credit for this and that, but not all that other stuff. What a crock.
 
and while i got you being honest for a sec do you realize that understanding that the economy is slowly improving acknowledging it does not make someone a liberal or even mean that they support Obama? Do you understand the two are not related?

If you don't support Obama then you are doing the right thing, sure seems you are defending the indefensible.
 
I don't call going from 2.5% to 1.5% an improvement nor do I call unemployment and discouraged workers today of 13.6 better than 12.7 when he took office.

Obama didnt take office in 2010. How do you not know that? And the 2.5 and 1.5 are you referreing to GDP? Because both of those are growth numbers. Not negative numbers.
 
As an Obama supporter I understand why you don't understand how to create demand. You are supporting the right person as Obama doesn't know either. President Romney does
I understand why demand is down, I understand what will increase it, I understand that supply-side solutions are dead ends now, I understand you can't bring up anything but rhetoric and supply side solutions.

Do you know this? Do you....do you?
 
Oh...this is sad. "Real" dollars are adjusted for inflation, those are REAL dollar amounts, and GDP is not a reflection of revenue....it never has been....nor is it a measure of job creation....again it was never meant to be.....so why someone would make such a silly remark is just ...wild.

It gets even worse when you skip over the reason for the step down in GDP. Hint: it was this thing called a "2008 Recession"...look it up sometime.

Do we get tax revenue of actual dollars or inflation adjusted dollars? Is the debt in actual dollars or in inflation adjusted dollars. Wow, talk about hopeless.
 
If you don't support Obama then you are doing the right thing, sure seems you are defending the indefensible.

I didnt say i didnt support obama neither. You just keep jumping to random conclusions. To keep it simple, the economy has been getting slowly better since 2010. That statement is not an endorsement or and lack of one for anyone.
 
LOL...a link to the BEA chart page...is supposed to show what?

Don't you know, to save a chart you create....you need to save the image and post it?

Yes...you are ignorant of this basic fact.

Try again.

Ok..ok, just calm down lets talk math.

N=FD

Where is N is employment, F is a function, and D is expected demand. This states that expected demand directly causes employment. In the real world, expectations are not a measurable quantity and have no place in an equation. Demand signals in supply/demand models (accepted by all economists even commies) are not realized until a purchase is made. Another quantification of the unquantifiable is Keynes' MPC (marginal propensity to consume) stating the net result of a government check going to a worker (lets call that result Y) will lead to 10(Y) because 90% of that check will be used in consumption. The problem for which from a mathematical perspective is the assumption that the 10% saved (not used for consumption) is stuffed into a mattress. It is not, when savings are invested they convert to spending (by banks, corporate capital expenditures etc.). So, when we realize 100% of stimulus is spent, the "multiplier effect" self destructs and becomes infinite.

Don't be mad bro, it's just math.
 
I understand why demand is down, I understand what will increase it, I understand that supply-side solutions are dead ends now, I understand you can't bring up anything but rhetoric and supply side solutions.

Do you know this? Do you....do you?

Good then pass them on to Obama because he doesn't have a clue and my bet is neither do you.
 
I didnt say i didnt support obama neither. You just keep jumping to random conclusions. To keep it simple, the economy has been getting slowly better since 2010. That statement is not an endorsement or and lack of one for anyone.

The way you debate out of ignorance is enough for me. Talking about an improving economy from 2010 ignores actual data and proves nothing.
 
Do we get tax revenue of actual dollars or inflation adjusted dollars?
Either, it depends on what measurement unit is being used.

Is the debt in actual dollars or in inflation adjusted dollars. Wow, talk about hopeless.
Either, it depends on what measurement unit is being used.
 
I would suggest you show me where I refute your claim, which you can not do, which I call idiotic.

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What? So you acknowledge I am right that the economy has been improving since 2010?
It is further your opinion that the president does not have complete control. Anything that happens on a presidents watch is his/hers. Period. Obama is the Commander in Chief and is our president, same as presidents before him. It is the president that takes credit for the good times and bad times. The buck stops with him. And I don't care who it is, nor does history as history is written by what happens a that presidents watch.

Who you and other uneducated folk want to blame does not change much. Obama does not have (nor should he) complete control over economy. Consumers have far more control than he does.

You can cherry pick all you want, and say, yeah Obama should take credit for this and that, but not all that other stuff. What a crock.

Can you show me where I did this? I bet you cant. May be a good idea for you to back off this one. You are just wrong.
 
Either, it depends on what measurement unit is being used.

Either, it depends on what measurement unit is being used.

No it doesn't, we get tax revenue from actual dollars not inflation adjusted dollars and we pay debt service on the actual debt not inflation adjusted dollars.
 
The way you debate out of ignorance is enough for me. Talking about an improving economy from 2010 ignores actual data and proves nothing.

What data am I ignoring? I have shown data from multiple website including the governement sites that support that it is.
 
What data am I ignoring? I have shown data from multiple website including the governement sites that support that it is.

Gallup isn't a Govt. source and the economic growth of 2.5 to 1.8 to 1.5 isn't an improving economy
 
Gallup isn't a Govt. source and the economic growth of 2.5 to 1.8 to 1.5 isn't an improving economy

Growth is growth. It is going up and not down.

Futhermore I have cited more than just gallup. But keep only giving half truths. Integrity isnt for everyone.
 
So, when we realize 100% of stimulus is spent, the "multiplier effect" self destructs and becomes infinite.

Don't be mad bro, it's just math.
Funny, you stated earlier that the multiplier is 1.....if you are still talking about a balanced budget multiplier.
 
No it doesn't, we get tax revenue from actual dollars not inflation adjusted dollars and we pay debt service on the actual debt not inflation adjusted dollars.
Wrong, it depends on what unit you are starting from, you can convert the numbers to any unit, you could even calculate them in Yen, it would not matter. A mass does not changed if I measure it in kg or lb.
 
Growth is growth. It is going up and not down.

Futhermore I have cited more than just gallup. But keep only giving half truths. Integrity isnt for everyone.

You will do great in the Government re-indoctrination school. Going up and losing jobs isn't growth, it is a disaster
 
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