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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

how dare he express himself. lol noone is saying that anyone can't say what they want. but dont try to be objective or see the whole picture. closed mindedness works for some people.

The whole picture is that this CEO said something that people did not like, and in return, they are boycotting said business. That is free speech at it's very core. Chik-Fil-A CEO has the freedom of speech to say that marriage should be between a man and a woman, and the people have the freedom of speech to boycott.

You call it closed mindedness on the part of the boycotters and I call it closed mindedness on the part of the CEO.
 
The whole picture is that this CEO said something that people did not like, and in return, they are boycotting said business. That is free speech at it's very core. Chik-Fil-A CEO has the freedom of speech to say that marriage should be between a man and a woman, and the people have the freedom of speech to boycott.

You call it closed mindedness on the part of the boycotters and I call it closed mindedness on the part of the CEO.

I agree with you on part of that. He is closed minded as well. But two wrongs dont make a right. Chick fil a is being boycotted because of the owners religious belief and that is wrong.
 
Did you read what you quoted? He specifically said he could do nothing to stop his business. Expressing an opinion is not bullying. If it was, you would be bulying the mayor right in this post.


Yes I read my own quote. I said "if" he could prohibit this business owner from doing buinsess in DC, IMO, I think he would.
 
Yes I read my own quote. I said "if" he could prohibit this business owner from doing buinsess in DC, IMO, I think he would.

Ok, so, you think he would if he could(even though there is no evidence of it), so even though he hasn't, you still condemn him as if he had, even though he can't and has given no evidence he would.

Ever hear of an old Stealy Dan album called Pretzel Logic? Your post reminded me of it.
 
I agree with you on part of that. He is closed minded as well. But two wrongs dont make a right. Chick fil a is being boycotted because of the owners religious belief and that is wrong.

And that's where we differ. I don't see boycotting as a wrong. I see it as a reaction to a person making an unpopular statement as CEO of a company.

If a CEO of another company came out and said I don't think interracial marriage should be allowed, I would react the same way.

The simple fact is this CEO decided to grand stand with their close mindedness remark and they are being boycotted because of that remark.
 
Ok, so, you think he would if he could(even though there is no evidence of it), so even though he hasn't, you still condemn him as if he had, even though he can't and has given no evidence he would.

Ever hear of an old Stealy Dan album called Pretzel Logic? Your post reminded me of it.

same could be said of Mr Cathy
 
And that's where we differ. I don't see boycotting as a wrong. I see it as a reaction to a person making an unpopular statement as CEO of a company.

If a CEO of another company came out and said I don't think interracial marriage should be allowed, I would react the same way.

The simple fact is this CEO decided to grand stand with their close mindedness remark and they are being boycotted because of that remark.

Do you think that it would be right for a person to boycott a business because the owner was muslim, black, or gay?
 
Do you think that it would be right for a person to boycott a business because the owner was muslim, black, or gay?

Are they funding hate groups?
 
Do you think that it would be right for a person to boycott a business because the owner was muslim, black, or gay?

I would say people have the right to do so. These are bull**** reasons to do it, but it is "strictly" legal to do it.
 
Do you think that it would be right for a person to boycott a business because the owner was muslim, black, or gay?

Okay, hopefully I can explain this to your satisfaction. When you take the legality of things out of the way, right and wrong are morally subjective and subject to different people’s view and/or society norms.

In today’s society, for the most part, boycotting a business because the owner is gay, Muslim, or black would be considered negative. In today’s society there is a good part of the population that believes being against same sex marriage is wrong. Hence, why Chik-Fil-A isn’t going out of business. The boycott may or may not lose them business in the long wrong, only time will tell.

Now, to answer your direct question, I do think boycotting a business because they are against SSM is okay and right in my opinion while I think boycotting a business because the owner is black, Muslim, or gay is wrong.

These are due to my beliefs and morality. My morals and beliefs are different than yours so therefore my actions to certain things will be different. Again, when you take the legality out of it, all you have are morals and beliefs which are subjective at best.
 
Do you think that it would be right for a person to boycott a business because the owner was muslim, black, or gay?

It is not my place to tell people whether their boycott is right or not. They have every right to boycott. I can say that in my opinion the reason is silly, or justified, but right or wrong is purely opinion. Boycotting is something that people have a right to do, and I am not going to even try to tell some one they cannot exercise their right.
 
Chick-Fil-A has not hidden its Christian mission statement from day one, which precedes the founding of Henson's company. If Henson actually gave a damn about the issue, rather than responding to pressure and then grandstanding, they might have never chosen to associate with Chick-Fil-A at all.

It's a pity that simple symbols and characters from childhood now have to be politicized.

What an unmitigated crock. A classic "We believe our own BS"

There is no difference between one party like CFA professing their politics and another responding in kind. None.
 
Ok, so, you think he would if he could(even though there is no evidence of it), so even though he hasn't, you still condemn him as if he had, even though he can't and has given no evidence he would.

Ever hear of an old Stealy Dan album called Pretzel Logic? Your post reminded me of it.


:mrgreen: Can't say I do know Stealy Dan, but I understand you comment.

It may seem that way to you, but IMO, I still believe the Mayor of DC would ban them from doing business if he had the power to do so.
 
Okay, hopefully I can explain this to your satisfaction. When you take the legality of things out of the way, right and wrong are morally subjective and subject to different people’s view and/or society norms.

In today’s society, for the most part, boycotting a business because the owner is gay, Muslim, or black would be considered negative. In today’s society there is a good part of the population that believes being against same sex marriage is wrong. Hence, why Chik-Fil-A isn’t going out of business. The boycott may or may not lose them business in the long wrong, only time will tell.

Now, to answer your direct question, I do think boycotting a business because they are against SSM is okay and right in my opinion while I think boycotting a business because the owner is black, Muslim, or gay is wrong.

These are due to my beliefs and morality. My morals and beliefs are different than yours so therefore my actions to certain things will be different. Again, when you take the legality out of it, all you have are morals and beliefs which are subjective at best.

The issue here is thta you are not tolerant of another persons beliefs. You would agree that it would be wrong to discriminate against someone because of their muslims beliefs. But okay for someone who has christian beliefs. Crazy how you think that. especially considering muslims and christians share beliefs about homosexuality.
 
The issue here is thta you are not tolerant of another persons beliefs. You would agree that it would be wrong to discriminate against someone because of their muslims beliefs. But okay for someone who has christian beliefs. Crazy how you think that. especially considering muslims and christians share beliefs about homosexuality.

If they are attempting to codify discrimination into the law..........
 
If they are attempting to codify discrimination into the law..........

muslims teach that it is wrong, advocate and vote against ssm and all homosexual activities. (generally speaking). same with jewish people. bahai do not believe it is right. many hindus do not. these religions all teach and advocate that homosexuality is wrong. Why not boycott muslim, hindi, and jewish establishments? Why not protest muslims and their beliefs?
 
muslims teach that it is wrong, advocate and vote against ssm and all homosexual activities. (generally speaking). same with jewish people. bahai do not believe it is right. many hindus do not. these religions all teach and advocate that homosexuality is wrong. Why not boycott muslim, hindi, and jewish establishments? Why not protest muslims and their beliefs?

Oy Vey how many times do people have to say this. They are free to have their beliefs when they attempt to get discrminatory beliefs (in this case gay marriage) codified into law people will work against them.
 
Oy Vey how many times do people have to say this. They are free to have their beliefs when they attempt to get discrmini atory beliefs (in this case gay marriage) codified into law people will work against them.

i clearly asked would it be wrong to boycott a business because it was run by a muslim more than once. Each time I have been told it would be. Or the responders said they felt it would be. Yet they are advocating the same thing Mr. Cathy is. Many of them donate money to organizations that oppose and advocate against gay marriage. Almost all people (especially liberals) will tell you it is important to be tolerant of Muslims and their religions. It is important not to discriminate and it would be wrong to boycott a business of a muslim even though they would share that belief. For some reason many liberals seem to think it is ok to be bash Christians and Christianity. This probably wouldn't upset me so much if it weren't for the fact that it is discrimination based on his religion. And yet many of you dont apply it universally.. Only against Christian based faiths.
 
i clearly asked would it be wrong to boycott a business because it was run by a muslim more than once.

And I clearly said they were to have their beliefs.

Each time I have been told it would be. Or the responders said they felt it would be. Yet they are advocating the same thing Mr. Cathy is. Many of them donate money to organizations that oppose and advocate against gay marriage. Almost all people (especially liberals) will tell you it is important to be tolerant of Muslims and their religions. It is important not to discriminate and it would be wrong to boycott a business of a muslim even though they would share that belief. For some reason many liberals seem to think it is ok to be bash Christians and Christianity. This probably wouldn't upset me so much if it weren't for the fact that it is discrimination based on his religion. And yet many of you dont apply it universally.. Only against Christian based faiths.

You are free to believe that. I even defend your right to believe even though I think it is absolute poppy ****.
 
And I clearly said they were to have their beliefs.


You are free to believe that. I even defend your right to believe even though I think it is absolute poppy ****.

why do you think it is poppy ****? What is the difference? Why single out christians?
 
why do you think it is poppy ****? What is the difference? Why single out christians?

No one is singling out Christians . The story just so happens to be a guy who claims to be Christian.
 
Hmm. I've been out of the henson muppet loop for a while, but what iis the name of the gay muppet?
 
The issue here is thta you are not tolerant of another persons beliefs. You would agree that it would be wrong to discriminate against someone because of their muslims beliefs. But okay for someone who has christian beliefs. Crazy how you think that. especially considering muslims and christians share beliefs about homosexuality.

I know many Christians, and even Muslims, that do not believe marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman. So I am not against this person because they are Christian.

Also, this CEO borught the company into this by speaking for the comapny.
 
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muslims teach that it is wrong, advocate and vote against ssm and all homosexual activities. (generally speaking). same with jewish people. bahai do not believe it is right. many hindus do not. these religions all teach and advocate that homosexuality is wrong. Why not boycott muslim, hindi, and jewish establishments? Why not protest muslims and their beliefs?

Show me those Muslim owners that grand stand and go out of their way to say Marriage is between a man and a woman and speak for the company. Those are the people I will boycott.

Tell me, why was it important for this owner to go out of their way and announce, as CEO of Chik-Fil-A, that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Remember, it was the CEO that brought the company into this.
 
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