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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

muciti said:
It is wrong to discriminate against a person for their religious beliefs.
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Indeed. Unless their beliefs involved criminal actions toward others, or civil rights violates. Then it is okay to correct their perverted and misguided fear-based version of Christianity.
 
muciti said:
)People are basing their decision whether or not to eat as his diner on this mans religious beliefs and nothing more. I am ok with people not eating there. I could care less. Its the reason they are eating there that I find disgusting.
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It is not based simply on his beliefs. It is based on how he uses his money and position to fund bigotry and impose his bigotry on others. Do you actually think he would hire people who spend their spare time lobbying for SSM?
 
Furiounova said:
There needs to be a distinction between mere beliefs and actions based on those beliefs. Let's say someone says they don't believe African Americans are on the same level with Caucasians but they take no discriminatory action against that group in any way. I would use that business because there is no actual discrimination against African Americans. Now let's say that same business gives sub level service based on that belief.

My refusing to fund their bigotry is not discrimination. It is refusing to fund discrimination.
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If Chick Fil A treated its homosexual employees or customer differently in any way you may have a point. But they dont.
 
solletica said:
Chick-Fil-A really has no choice but to claim to abhor gay rights and marriage, because in the right wing southern Xtian states like MS, KT, AL, etc. Chick-Fil-A is considered fine dining. One has to consider the economic situation of the right wing folks that live there; middle class righties in those states just eat hot dogs or Mac-and-Cheese and go out to McDonald's for fine dining, whereas the elite upper wealthy class dines at Chick-Fil-A.

When an eating establishment is revered as a culinary creme-de-la-creme by so many right wingers, the last thing such an establishment should do is insult its patrons by supporting something those patrons consider deplorable. After all, what would happen if a right wing couple in AL, KT, MS, etc. walked into a Chick Fil-A, having saved up for so many months to afford to dine there, and saw a gay couple dining at another table. To say the least, they would pissed to the max.
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Wait a minute, are you sure you've smeared everyone in the South you possible could? Think about it a minute, I'm sure you can come up with a few more folks you can add to your bigoted tirade.
 
hazlnut said:
Indeed. Unless their beliefs involved criminal actions toward others, or civil rights violates. Then it is okay to correct their perverted and misguided fear-based version of Christianity.
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Oh do tell. What criminal action or civil rights violation did he make.
 
Furiounova said:
It is not based simply on his beliefs. It is based on how he uses his money and position to fund bigotry and impose his bigotry on others. Do you actually think he would hire people who spend their spare time lobbying for SSM?
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Yes at the chick fil a that I was at last night a gay couple that I am friends with work and got called into work last night to help with the heavy volume of orders. Not only does he employ them and I am sure they support ssm he gave them OT pay to come in last night to help.
 
muciti said:
It is wrong to discriminate against a person for their religious beliefs.
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And do you think its wrong to discriminate against the WBC? Or is it wrong to boycott Nabisco for their views on SSM?

Also they are discriminating against him (not in the legal sense) because he supports discrimination (in the legal sense) against homosexuals. That is the difference here. He supports groups that are fighting to keep homosexuals from gaining the same rights and privileges as others. The boyotters arnt trying to take away his rights or privileges nor are they trying to prevent him from gaining equality under the law.
 
hazlnut said:
Indeed. Unless their beliefs involved criminal actions toward others, or civil rights violates. Then it is okay to correct their perverted and misguided fear-based version of Christianity.
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actually the courts take a pretty clear stance on advocacy vs action.
 
Omgitsme said:
And do you think its wrong to discriminate against the WBC? Or is it wrong to boycott Nabisco for their views on SSM?

Also they are discriminating against him (not in the legal sense) because he supports discrimination (in the legal sense) against homosexuals. That is the difference here. He supports groups that are fighting to keep homosexuals from gaining the same rights and privileges as others. The boyotters arnt trying to take away his rights or privileges nor are they trying to prevent him from gaining equality under the law.
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I keep telling you there is a differnce between illegal and wrong.

Let me ask you this. Do you think it is right or wrong of me to refuse to eat at a diner because it is run by muslims? Not legally.
 
muciti said:
I keep telling you there is a differnce between illegal and wrong.

Let me ask you this. Do you think it is right or wrong of me to refuse to eat at a diner because it is run by muslims? Not legally.
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Are they sending money to anti gay marriage groups?
 
muciti said:
His beliefs on marriage are founded in his religion. You dont get to pick and choose what aspects of a religion a person believes. They get to make that choice themselves.
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Yes you do. There are literally hudreds of sects of just christianity. You can worship any one. Religion is a choice.
 
winston53660 said:
Are they sending money to anti gay marriage groups?
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What they do with their money is not my concern. Are anti gay marriage groups the only groups out there? Do you have any idea what the ceo's and share holders of any company you shop with do with their money? Should employers start hiring and firing based on what political groups you donate too? Schools? Where exactly do you want to draw that line?
 
muciti said:
I keep telling you there is a differnce between illegal and wrong.

Let me ask you this. Do you think it is right or wrong of me to refuse to eat at a diner because it is run by muslims? Not legally.
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And as I keep telling you this boycott has nothing to do with him being a Christian and everything to do with him trying to legally discriminate against gays. I have no problem discriminating against people (in the non legal sense) who discriminate (in the legal sense) against others. Just like how I discriminate against racists (in the non legal sense) because they support the idea of discriminating against someone (in the legal sense) because of their race.

And to answer your question it depends. Is their religion the only reason you are discriminating against them or are they donating money to hate groups and publicly declaring they dont support equal rights for a group of people?

Edit: Just saw that you answered my question
 
Redress said:
Yes you do. There are literally hudreds of sects of just christianity. You can worship any one. Religion is a choice.
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I dont understand the YES YOU DO part of your post. Are you saying other people have a right to pick and choose what aspects of a religion another person beleives?
 
muciti said:
What they do with their money is not my concern. Are anti gay marriage groups the only groups out there? Do you have any idea what the ceo's and share holders of any company you shop with do with their money? Should employers start hiring and firing based on what political groups you donate too? Schools? Where exactly do you want to draw that line?
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When it comes to C-F-A I do know where the President is sending money. And I ain't going to help him out.
 
Omgitsme said:
Edit: Just saw that you answered my question
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thank you for the edit.

And as I keep telling you this boycott has nothing to do with him being a Christian and everything to do with him trying to legally discriminate against gays.
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It is his Christian belief. That belief is a religious belief.

And to answer your question it depends. Is their religion the only reason you are discriminating against them or are they donating money to hate groups and publicly declaring they dont support equal rights for a group of people?
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Their religion.
 
muciti said:
I dont understand the YES YOU DO part of your post. Are you saying other people have a right to pick and choose what aspects of a religion another person beleives?
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What I am saying is you choose your religion, and therefore you choose to believe that god is so petty he does not want a group of people to have the same rights as another group. You are responsible for what you believe, just as I am responsible for what I believe. I don't try and blame my beliefs on others. It is called personal responsibility.
 
winston53660 said:
When it comes to C-F-A I do know where the President is sending money. And I ain't going to help him out.
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answer the rest too. Because I can assure you these groups that you hate because of their religious beliefs get their money from far more companies than chick fil a.
 
muciti said:
WBC should have the same rights as anyone else. Also yes I think it is wrong to boycott Nabisco for their views on SSM.
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I thought we wernt talking about rights. We are talking about discrimination right? After all no one is infringing on the CEO of CFAs rights.
 
muciti said:
If Chick Fil A treated its homosexual employees or customer differently in any way you may have a point. But they dont.
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I believe the policy there is DADT, although if management sees two women/men holding hands, they may be prohibited from ordering certain items.
 
Redress said:
What I am saying is you choose your religion, and therefore you choose to believe that god is so petty he does not want a group of people to have the same rights as another group. You are responsible for what you believe, just as I am responsible for what I believe. I don't try and blame my beliefs on others. It is called personal responsibility.
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Who is blaming their beliefs on others? Also for you to call another persons beliefs petty is bigoted. Tolerance and acceptance can help solve a lot of problems. Hate spewed rhetoric like that is why the two sides of this argument make no headway.
 
muciti said:
It is wrong to discriminate against a person for their religious beliefs.
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No it isn't. Whether it is the correct decision largely depends on what those religious beliefs are.
 
muciti said:
Who is blaming their beliefs on others? Also for you to call another persons beliefs petty is bigoted. Tolerance and acceptance can help solve a lot of problems. Hate spewed rhetoric like that is why the two sides of this argument make no headway.
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I did not call the beliefs petty, I called the god petty. Big difference.
 
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