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Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

I didn't really watch Batman, but I don't recall the Joker killing mass people and being heavily armed. What was the Jokers main goal anyway?

In the Dark Knight? Essentially, attempting to upset the percieved order and general rigidness of society by attempting to show how much of an illusion it is and how quickly people veer from it. Few quotes from it that best sum it up:

The Joker: Hmmm? You know... You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!
[Joker hands Two-Face a gun and points it at himself]
The Joker: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!

You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

He's got few real points, because his point is chaos. The movie gives a number of "motivations" that led him to what he was, most likely all of them false, because the point of the Joker in that movies wasn't that there is some sympathetic reason he's doing what he's doing or some clear cut intent. He's chaos, anarchy, pure and simple.

As to this guy thinking he's The Joker...to be frank, I think this is the media sensationalizing and running off something horribly ignorantly. Even if he said it, I'd put more stock in the notion that he did it because it'd cause the sensationalist things rather than an honest belief in emulating it. Here's why I think it, and I think the media are ****ing idiots sometimes.

They keep talking about "Joker" hair. Here's this guy:

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And here's the joker:

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Now, perhaps I've suddenly been afflicted by some sight disorder dealing with color...but one seems red/orange to me and the other green. OMG, you're right media, his hair is like The Jokers! (Thankfully Ledger thought better about the Muttin Chops)

In regards to style...again, doesn't really work. Perhaps you could argue the boobytrap at the home was somewhat similar in the fact it used trip wire on grenades, but that's also hardly something unique to The Joker. However, entering into a theater in full swat gear and just gunning down people...decidingly unlike the style of The Joker from that movie.

They keep going with the notion that he "He wanted to get caught, just like in the movie!"...except then a story comes out that the goal of the bombs at his house was to hopefully divert police attention there so that he could perhaps slip out of the theater impersonating a SWAT individual. And even beyond that, the Joker did not get caught was to be able to gain access to someone else, not simply to "Get caught". It's just as likely that the guy in the end couldn't take his own life or didn't want to engage cops, and got caught, then it was part of some diabolical plan in his head.

The "This guy thinks he's joker" thing is something I think is being ignorantly stirred up to ridiculous proportions by the media
 
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Zyphlin, there has been more than one Joker... you know? Plus, even in that movie:

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I don't know why you think that's been "played up". If he idolized him in any way, and then went into a Batman movie and slaughtered people, I'd say that's a big part of the story.
 
Zyphlin, there has been more than one Joker... you know? Plus, even in that movie:

The picture you posted is the Joker, in a wig, for all of a few moments in the movie. Trying to look "like the joker" and mimicing a whig he wears for roughly a minute would inherently throw into question the sincerity of the notion of trying to "be the joker".

Also, the Joker has almost in all cases traditionally been depicted as having Green Hair (or at best, black with green highlights). In Comics:

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Video games:

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Cartoons:

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Movies:

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And TV:

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Green Hair is kind of iconic to the character's look. If someone is trying to "Be the Joker" it'd be like trying to "Be Superman" and wearing a Orange Suit instead of Blue.

I think it's played up because it's based off generally speculative things, often seemingly speculated by people completely ignorant of the source material they're speuclating about, or statements by the kid, who we're seemingly told is a "genius" and "crazy" at the same time and we're supposed to magically believe couldn't possibly be stating the things for reasons other than the desire to be purely honest in his beliefs.
 
They should drug test him, definitely... but I am sure they already did. He doesn't seem to have drug ties to anybody though. He was mostly a loner.
Reports I've seen indicate that he bought thousands of dollars worth of weaponry, body armor and ammo just weeks before the crime.

Where the heck does a college student who worked at McDonalds get that kind of money?

I'm speculating that perhaps this guy was dealing drugs on the side or something.
 
Reports I've seen indicate that he bought thousands of dollars worth of weaponry, body armor and ammo just weeks before the crime.

Where the heck does a college student who worked at McDonalds get that kind of money?

I'm speculating that perhaps this guy was dealing drugs on the side or something.

Credit cards???
 
Now, perhaps I've suddenly been afflicted by some sight disorder dealing with color...but one seems red/orange to me and the other green. OMG, you're right media, his hair is like The Jokers! (Thankfully Ledger thought better about the Muttin Chops)
In the old TV series, sometimes the Joker had red hair.

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Credit cards???
Yeah, now that I think about it, these days banks are a lot more lenient about issuing credit cards to students than they were when I was that age. (as long as it's at an exorbitant interest rate, of course).
 
In the old TV series, sometimes the Joker had red hair.

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I don't believe so. I believe what you're seeing there is the effects of your cameras back then along with a red background and reddish coat giving a false presentation to the eyes. I may be wrong, but I can't recall when watching the show of him having red hair. In searching currently as well, all that ever has it showing up is that general picture on the massive red background. The notion of how that can affect the appearance of color of things around it is something I've had to endure listening to from my photographer wife in the past.

It looks similar to promotion images for the 1966 film that came out, where it seems like the green dye is simply beginning to fade. From first hand experience, when green dye in hair begins to fade (especially on lighter hair and at 59, Romero likely had begun his whitening in hair by then) it can kind of give a yellowish appearance.

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The picture is similar to the one you posted, but not so much red background, and to me the green dye is still evident but obvoiusly at a fading point. That picture is apparently from the 1966 movie...you can go into other pictures of the movie and see that it was clearly green during it. I'd be more apt to say it's an issue of fading/camera trick then anything else.
 
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Reports I've seen indicate that he bought thousands of dollars worth of weaponry, body armor and ammo just weeks before the crime.

Where the heck does a college student who worked at McDonalds get that kind of money?

I'm speculating that perhaps this guy was dealing drugs on the side or something.

U.S. gov't educational grant money?
 
The more I read the more believe Holmes is not insane. ****ed up, yes, but not crazy. He may have been too bright for his own good. I believe at this point that his court demeanor was contrived.
 
The more I read the more believe Holmes is not insane. ****ed up, yes, but not crazy. He may have been too bright for his own good. I believe at this point that his court demeanor was contrived.

That is how he hit me also..... putting on a show.
 
That is how he hit me also..... putting on a show.
I think his demeanor in court is typical of what I would expect from any other person in his rather uncomfortable position.

He looks shocked. It looks like the gravity of what he did is sinking in and he knows that his life has changed forever, and not for the better. After a few days in jail he got a taste of how he will spend the rest of his days and is realizing that it will be worse than he ever imagined. He's already broken down.

He probably thought he was going to get away with it and now he was been bashed right over the head with a reality stick.
 
I don't believe so. I believe what you're seeing there is the effects of your cameras back then along with a red background and reddish coat giving a false presentation to the eyes. I may be wrong, but I can't recall when watching the show of him having red hair. In searching currently as well, all that ever has it showing up is that general picture on the massive red background. The notion of how that can affect the appearance of color of things around it is something I've had to endure listening to from my photographer wife in the past.

It looks similar to promotion images for the 1966 film that came out, where it seems like the green dye is simply beginning to fade. From first hand experience, when green dye in hair begins to fade (especially on lighter hair and at 59, Romero likely had begun his whitening in hair by then) it can kind of give a yellowish appearance.

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The picture is similar to the one you posted, but not so much red background, and to me the green dye is still evident but obvoiusly at a fading point. That picture is apparently from the 1966 movie...you can go into other pictures of the movie and see that it was clearly green during it. I'd be more apt to say it's an issue of fading/camera trick then anything else.
I see what you're saying. Also, I haven't seen any of the slew of recent Batman movies, so most of my memories are of the old Batman TV series that was filmed in the 60's. Colors could look a lot different depending on how you had the color adjusted on those old color TV sets back when I was a kid.
 
The more I read the more believe Holmes is not insane. ****ed up, yes, but not crazy. He may have been too bright for his own good. I believe at this point that his court demeanor was contrived.

That reminds me of this guy I know (he's well known in these parts) who has been managing restaurants in town for about 20 years. He has a long history of cheating people, failing to pay employees, paying employees under the table, and filling up absolut bottles with rail vodka. There's more but I'll leave it at that. Even so, a lot of people say "well he's actually a great guy." Well, no, he's not a great guy, he cheats his customers, he cheats his employees, and his actions are clearly unethical.

Mama always used to say "stupid is as stupid does." Holmes is stupid. And he's insane.
 
U.S. gov't educational grant money?

Heard that on the radio last night (Michael Medved). Believe noted that Holmes was getting $30,000/year in Federal education money. No idea what the source of that information was. But would guess tuition was hefty.....
 
That reminds me of this guy I know (he's well known in these parts) who has been managing restaurants in town for about 20 years. He has a long history of cheating people, failing to pay employees, paying employees under the table, and filling up absolut bottles with rail vodka. There's more but I'll leave it at that. Even so, a lot of people say "well he's actually a great guy." Well, no, he's not a great guy, he cheats his customers, he cheats his employees, and his actions are clearly unethical.

Mama always used to say "stupid is as stupid does." Holmes is stupid. And he's insane.

Believe Holmes does meet many/most of the dictionary definitions for the word "insane". But do not think he is going to qualify as insane under any of the legal definitions that our court system abides by.
 
Believe Holmes does meet many/most of the dictionary definitions for the word "insane". But do not think he is going to qualify as insane under any of the legal definitions that our court system abides by.

I don't think he was insane either. I think he was a flaming moron.
 
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was stone cold sober. People are going to look for something that made him “snap” and maybe there is something. But some people are also just born sociopaths. And an intelligent sociopath who has decided to kill is pretty damn hard to stop until people have actually died. People like him feel special and feel that the world should know how great they are. My money is on this guy being someone who desired to be infamous.

I think eventually we will find some of this out. He did it for a reason, so you think he'll want to make his reason know. He is alive afterall. I could have killed himself and left us all confused.

I think he was sober too.

And one expert did say, the only time he looked up in court was when the media was mentioned. He also set up a bunch of dating profiles with the head, "Will you visit me in jail?"

I personally thought he looked weak and cowardly in the courtroom.
 
In the Dark Knight? Essentially, attempting to upset the percieved order and general rigidness of society by attempting to show how much of an illusion it is and how quickly people veer from it. Few quotes from it that best sum it up:





He's got few real points, because his point is chaos. The movie gives a number of "motivations" that led him to what he was, most likely all of them false, because the point of the Joker in that movies wasn't that there is some sympathetic reason he's doing what he's doing or some clear cut intent. He's chaos, anarchy, pure and simple.

As to this guy thinking he's The Joker...to be frank, I think this is the media sensationalizing and running off something horribly ignorantly. Even if he said it, I'd put more stock in the notion that he did it because it'd cause the sensationalist things rather than an honest belief in emulating it. Here's why I think it, and I think the media are ****ing idiots sometimes.

They keep talking about "Joker" hair. Here's this guy:

james-holmes-440.jpg


And here's the joker:

jdk2.jpg


Now, perhaps I've suddenly been afflicted by some sight disorder dealing with color...but one seems red/orange to me and the other green. OMG, you're right media, his hair is like The Jokers! (Thankfully Ledger thought better about the Muttin Chops)

In regards to style...again, doesn't really work. Perhaps you could argue the boobytrap at the home was somewhat similar in the fact it used trip wire on grenades, but that's also hardly something unique to The Joker. However, entering into a theater in full swat gear and just gunning down people...decidingly unlike the style of The Joker from that movie.

They keep going with the notion that he "He wanted to get caught, just like in the movie!"...except then a story comes out that the goal of the bombs at his house was to hopefully divert police attention there so that he could perhaps slip out of the theater impersonating a SWAT individual. And even beyond that, the Joker did not get caught was to be able to gain access to someone else, not simply to "Get caught". It's just as likely that the guy in the end couldn't take his own life or didn't want to engage cops, and got caught, then it was part of some diabolical plan in his head.

The "This guy thinks he's joker" thing is something I think is being ignorantly stirred up to ridiculous proportions by the media

I didn't see the Dark Knight... but did the Joker target mass killings of innocent people? And yes, this guy is nuts and probably delusional. You never see the Joker in court and being charged, right? Maybe that's why he looked so vulnerable and meek in the courtroom.
 
I always wanted to try khat, traditionally used socially and openly. A mild stimulant/euphoric. So I checked out bath salts online. What was available ranged from poor analogues of the real thing all the way to an overwhelming meth like high. (I passed, sounded like just another no fun legal high, ill.just have to wait until I meet some Somalis:mrgreen:)

It's legal in Kenya, and also called Miraa. There's two kinds, one leaf-based (grown in wet areas) and one stalk/bark based (grown in dry areas). The stalk/bark based one (that's the part you eat) is higher quality. It's a mild amphetamine. It was illegal in Somalia until Al-Shabab was routed recently. It's illegal in Tanzania (but Tanzania is very lax with weed).

Catha edulis, commonly called Arabian tea,[1] khat,[1] qat, gat, or miraa,
Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the names "qat" and "gat" are a matter of the amount of time since picked.

It costs ~$0.5 for enough to get a buzz for a couple hours and ~$1 for the effect to last late into the night (in Kenya).
 
I didn't see the Dark Knight... but did the Joker target mass killings of innocent people? And yes, this guy is nuts and probably delusional. You never see the Joker in court and being charged, right? Maybe that's why he looked so vulnerable and meek in the courtroom.

You're missing out on an excellent movie. In that movie the Joker did try to kill two ships of people; one ship full of innocents, and one primarily filled with convicts, iirc. The way the Joker was portrayed in that movie, he may be seen as either delusional, or hyper-sane/intelligent and philosophical, not caring much about humanity or human life.
 
Dude can't be all that smart, if he thought he was going to get away with it. Even if the apt fire plan worked...what then? Live in the woods for the rest of his life? The gun and bullet purchases were easily traced to him. Cops woulda known it was him before the sun had come up, even suspected such sooner once the cause of the fire was determined. Where would he have gone? Drove to FL, then try to get a boat to Cuba, lol? Seems to me, if he REALY desired to not get caught, then he's a pretty short sighted idiot.
 
It's legal in Kenya, and also called Miraa. There's two kinds, one leaf-based (grown in wet areas) and one stalk/bark based (grown in dry areas). The stalk/bark based one (that's the part you eat) is higher quality. It's a mild amphetamine. It was illegal in Somalia until Al-Shabab was routed recently. It's illegal in Tanzania (but Tanzania is very lax with weed).


Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the names "qat" and "gat" are a matter of the amount of time since picked.

It costs ~$0.5 for enough to get a buzz for a couple hours and ~$1 for the effect to last late into the night (in Kenya).

The Somali bit was because khat was being used by our significant Somali population here in San Diego.
 
The Somali bit was because khat was being used by our significant Somali population here in San Diego.

I see. They'll be glad to hear that it is once again legal in Somalia. And so is soccer. And women going to school. Well, you get the idea.
 
Had the trap worked, fireball alone would have blown up and consumed the entire third floor of the apartment building,” a source told the LA Times.
Holmes told cops about the bombs after his arrest, bolstering the theory that he had laid his trap so he could wreak more havoc at the theater before making a getaway.

The best laid plans of mice and sick, self-absorbed assh*les...
 
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