explain then while we have a nation awash in dope, crack, blow and speed
I was addressing your attitude toward other posters which, when you are challenged on an issue, is deplorable.
Indeed, individual freedoms and public safety are two bedrock principals interwoven in American life, some feel there is a nexus between the two and are even contingent upon one. For example, “the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.” (see National Education Association - Health Information Network, Children and Gun Violence).
Further, “each year, more than 20,000 children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States. The lethality of guns, as well as their easy accessibility to young people, are key reasons why firearms are the second leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 19. Only motor vehicle accidents claim more young lives.” (see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/docs/12_02_ExecSummary.pdf)
Should someone hold the view that public safety and individual freedoms are interconnected they have a every good reason to draw that conclusion and every right to express that position.
What's starting to worry me is not what kind of impact this incident is going to have on gun laws.
What's starting to worry me is that already, the killer is being described as a very bright person who happened to be a loner and a recluse. Deja vu? Remember, we heard that from the Columbine killers, and that was right down the road from this theater. I really, really hope that that isn't cited as some sort of contributing factor, because we already have enough stigmas in our society as is.
I was addressing your attitude toward other posters which, when you are challenged on an issue, is deplorable.
Indeed, individual freedoms and public safety are two bedrock principals interwoven in American life, some feel there is a nexus between the two and are even contingent upon one. For example, “the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.” (see National Education Association - Health Information Network, Children and Gun Violence).
Further, “each year, more than 20,000 children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States. The lethality of guns, as well as their easy accessibility to young people, are key reasons why firearms are the second leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 19. Only motor vehicle accidents claim more young lives.” (see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/docs/12_02_ExecSummary.pdf)
Should someone hold the view that public safety and individual freedoms are interconnected they have a every good reason to draw that conclusion and every right to express that position.
There is the fallacy that causes discord because it blames "accessibility" which is nothing but a call for new gun laws and we have too many stupid gun laws as it is.
As a self professed 'libertarian' do you not support easing of drug laws and restrictions allowing the individual to make those decisions about usage?
I think it is safe to say that gun control wouldn't have prevented this tradegy. He wanted to kill a high number of people and there are other options he could have pursued.
Guns aren't the problem, people are. That this kid was able to legally purchase everything he needed for this killing spree, is not the issue. The issue is, that he wanted to do it in the first place. Looking at gun related deaths is focusing on the SYMPTOM, not the cause. Any decent doc will tell you, that is a mistake. Treating symptoms does not help the patient, in the long run, diagnosing and treating the PROBLEM is. So, the question. WHY did a seemingly normal, albeit quiet and reserved, intelligent, person desire this? Was he pissed off because, here we was, with a degree, and not just ANY degree, a degree in a challenging field, yet working at McDonalds? From my perspective, that's the only thing that even comes close to inducing the rage needed, to produce this result. Or was it simply fame seeking? Was he told, all his life, to do well in school, get good grades, etc, go to college, and he could be president one day? And there he was, doing those things, and working at a fast food restaurant, instead of rich and famous? Was this shoot out his quick ticket to fame, if not fortune?
or was he just an idiopathic total nut case?
I think it's a sad fact that altering gun ownership laws would have evry little impact on the likelihood of this type of incident reoccurring. Draconian gun control laws in the UK haven't prevented spree killings. What is provable is that the UK generally has a fraction of the firearm homicides of the US: 0.1/100,000 vs. 3.37/100,000. It's a clear correlation but is there any evidence that gun control is the causal factor in the disparity? Anyone got the figures?
It is clear the US still has a major problem with gun crime that is disproportionately high in comparison with other western nations. It also appears that due to a fear for the future of 2nd amendment constitutional rights, many of those opposed to gun control ignore the problem or seek to divert attention away from tackling it. Those in favour of gun control also miss the point and see GC as some kind of panacea to societal violence in general, which it's not. It would appear to me that the future of efforts to rein in violent crime in general, and gun crime in particular, would be to focus on motives for such crime, rather than the means and opportunities used. Why are American criminals more likely to use extreme violence than their counter-parts in other western societies?
explain then while we have a nation awash in dope, crack, blow and speed
As it turns out, the shooter had an NIH grant, which really is a big deal for a first-year doctoral student. Yet he was underperforming and had dropped out, and what we don't know is why. Has something organic been going on in his brain? Did he crack under the pressure or realize that he didn't have the "right stuff"? We just don't know, and FERPA prevents those in the academic-know from talking about it.
Do you think we would have more or less dope, crack, blow and speed if they weren't illegal? No difference you think?
You cannot say this for sure.
What did occur was: "Holmes apparently had prepared the attack at the Aurora theater well in advance, receiving multiple deliveries by mail for four months to his home and school and buying thousands of rounds of ammunition on the Internet, Oates said.
"He had a high volume of deliveries," Oates said. "We think this explains how he got his hands on the magazine, ammunition," he said, as well as the rigged explosives in his apartment.
"What we're seeing here is evidence of some calculation and deliberation,For months he ordered material to commit this act."
Police: Colorado suspect planned attack for months
It may be incorrect premises, but there is no fallacy. It is perfectly possible for two reasonable people to disagree, which is what Conner was showing. It is completely ridiculous for Turtledude to claim persecution!!
For the record, I am for freedom to own modern firearms, whether or not it "costs some lives".
Yes, there are so many options other than gunfire he could have chose.
In a theater there are usually only 4 doors and no windows. Blocked the two exit doors from the outside. Make a time release explosion of Ricin easily made from castor beans then place an attachment to prevent opening of the two entrance doors to the theater.
The only hope in defeating cowards like this is for the public to be forever aware of their surroundings and actions by people whose actions seem inappropriate.
Do you think we would have more or less dope, crack, blow and speed if they weren't illegal? No difference you think?
Yes, there are so many options other than gunfire he could have chose.
I was addressing your attitude toward other posters which, when you are challenged on an issue, is deplorable.
Indeed, individual freedoms and public safety are two bedrock principals interwoven in American life, some feel there is a nexus between the two and are even contingent upon one. For example, “the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.” (see National Education Association - Health Information Network, Children and Gun Violence).
Further, “each year, more than 20,000 children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States. The lethality of guns, as well as their easy accessibility to young people, are key reasons why firearms are the second leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 19. Only motor vehicle accidents claim more young lives.” (see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/docs/12_02_ExecSummary.pdf)
Should someone hold the view that public safety and individual freedoms are interconnected they have a every good reason to draw that conclusion and every right to express that position.
There is the fallacy that causes discord because it blames "accessibility" which is nothing but a call for new gun laws and we have too many stupid gun laws as it is.
It is a fallacy because it presumes accessibility is a "key" factor and I guarantee if I could snap my fingers and make guns disappear, with no memory of them at all, people would still find tools to kill each other with on both individual and mass levels.
We are speaking about Holmes exclusively and no one can say for sure whether he would have chosen any other options.
I think we'd have more, because right now the only people getting dope, crack, blow, and speed are those who have no issue with breaking the law. If they were legal, those who don't wish to break the law would then have access to them.