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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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Risky Thicket said:
Old west tales? I can take you a few old saloons here in Arizona and show you bullet holes in the ceiling. I'm thinking you haven't read a great deal about the old west.

Growing up in Georgia I carried snake loads in the summer to keep the cotton mouths and such from coming up from the creek toward the house.

Ever have a favorite saw or drill or hammer? Most of us have and do. In fact, you likely know the different between a framing hammer and a tack hammer and why you need several different kinds of hammers, if you like to do manual labor on your house and land. I swear some framing hammers are better than others. I have my favorite. I even have a brass framed folding yard stick. I don't know how old that thing is. I marvel at it from time to time when I rediscover it in a drawer on my work bench. You don't see craftsmanship like that these days. They are all tools.

Guns are tools and have been tools in America since whenever they brought guns over. I can recall when I was finally given permission by my father to shoot a .308. It was a big thrill. It was a huge thrill the first time I fam fired a .50 cal. I called home that night and told my dad I had fired a .50! Later, I qualified with a .50 cal. It was a moment I remember, not to mention being a hell of a lot of fun. It was another tool I had learned to use.

In many ways, in the US, learning to shoot has been a right of passing for young men. If it wasn't within your experience I am truly sorry you missed it.
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There's something, I don't know, just "nice" about this post. Bet you're a writer. If not, you should be. ;)

Anyhow, I get it.
 
grip said:
I wonder how much of this digital age of violent video games, fantasy/animated CGI movies is having as an effect on impressionable young minds? At 24 yrs old I still had a comic book collection though I wasn't living in a world of make believe.
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That isn't the problem. There were always nut jobs. People will blame the Columbine shootings on Grand Theft Auto, but as it turns out, one of the kids was a clinical psychopath (meaning he was effectively incapable of true moral thinking) and the other kid was very psychologically weak.

The media tends to blame things like this on whatever they can, but people are people, and will always kill other people.
 
haymarket said:
You have made my point for me that America is steeped in the gun culture. Thank you.

But having taken a step in that direction I see absolutely NOTHING in there about any proof of the charge of FASCINATION. Why is that missing?
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We're not going to tell you until you stop being so pathetically small-minded and find the intellectual integrity to admit when you are wrong.

How's that?
 
I think commentators should wait another week or two before everyone starts politicizing this tragedy.
 
nota bene said:
No. We aren't like him...and we can do better. Have to do better.

He may well be a coward too, but if the report from the just-released inmate is correct, he really is non compos mentis.
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Oh cry me a river. He damn well had his senses not to try this in front of a policeman. And when he was confronted by armed policeman he readily put his hands up. He knew damn well he wouldn't win that battle.

Bull with that insanity plea. A 6 yr old girl was killed among the many.

Go to friggin hell punk with my boot as your booster rocket!
 
haymarket said:
No. You confuse LIKE with SUPPORT. They are two different things. Perhaps a good dictionary may help you gain this knowledge of the difference? But then of course you would have to apply yourself to the mastery of the two different concepts.

Turtle liked it because it reminded him of his own mile high stack of unsupported pompous pontifications. He was simply recognizing a fellow worshipper before the same altar chanting the same mantra.

Again, you charged that America had been fascinated with guns from its inception and we have seen nothing from you documenting that. Your impotence to do so shows your rather limited debate skills. There are books which can help with that also.
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This day, 21 July 2012, will be forever remembered as "The Day Sig Came Into His Own"!

What the hell has happen with Sig? He's erudite, his prose is worth reading, he makes feckin sense.

Walk proud, Sig. You deserve the clap! :clap: Nice job on several posts here!
 
Risky Thicket said:
This day, 21 July 2012, will be forever remembered as "The Day Sig Came Into His Own"!

What the hell has happen with Sig? He's erudite, his prose is worth reading, he makes feckin sense.

Walk proud, Sig. You deserve the clap! :clap: Nice job on several posts here!
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Sit down and STFU.
 
Sig said:
Sit down and STFU.
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I think he was having the same reaction I was

You are making some really good posts

don't bite the hand that feeds or the thicket that praises for that matter:mrgreen:
 
Risky Thicket said:
Old west tales? I can take you a few old saloons here in Arizona and show you bullet holes in the ceiling. I'm thinking you haven't read a great deal about the old west.

Growing up in Georgia I carried snake loads in the summer to keep the cotton mouths and such from coming up from the creek toward the house.

Ever have a favorite saw or drill or hammer? Most of us have and do. In fact, you likely know the different between a framing hammer and a tack hammer and why you need several different kinds of hammers, if you like to do manual labor on your house and land. I swear some framing hammers are better than others. I have my favorite. I even have a brass framed folding yard stick. I don't know how old that thing is. I marvel at it from time to time when I rediscover it in a drawer on my work bench. You don't see craftsmanship like that these days. They are all tools.

Guns are tools and have been tools in America since whenever they brought guns over. I can recall when I was finally given permission by my father to shoot a .308. It was a big thrill. It was a huge thrill the first time I fam fired a .50 cal. I called home that night and told my dad I had fired a .50! Later, I qualified with a .50 cal. It was a moment I remember, not to mention being a hell of a lot of fun. It was another tool I had learned to use.

In many ways, in the US, learning to shoot has been a right of passing for young men. If it wasn't within your experience I am truly sorry you missed it.
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I have been to AR. My uncle, who was in the European theater became a histroy teacher after the war, and before his credentials he worked in a little gas station in e. TX that was knocked over by Bonnie & Clyde. The west never had "draws in the street". Guys walked behind their enemies and sho 'em in the head. The murder rate in some of the towns and mining settlements would make moder day Oakland blush.

My family is from the south; the foothills of the Smokies. I was firing guns at a very early age and learned what they were, how to use them and what they were for. I vividly remember my father walking into a gun store, buying a rifle off the rack, and out we walked: no waiting period. That was unheard of. The local drug stroed used to give away a shot gun shell with every purchase to be used against those damned black birds that woud ruin the corn! In high school I was on a rifel team, and I own three firearms myself.

You are quite right: a gun is a tool: that's all it is. (Of course it has its collectable qualities too, but that's another thread). A firearm is not a threat, but it can be used as one. It can be protection when needed, and like a fishing pole, used for food when necessary. But this notion that the US is some sort of gun culture is just ridiculous in my view. I think that there are plenty of politicos who live in a gun culture; a very dangerous culture in this country: one of the immature responses like an amoeba most of the time. A culture inhabited by ex-military or wanna be tough guys that continue to embarass this country, but to say that the US is a gun culture is so far off the mark in my view, that it truly short siights this entire country. The leftists say stuff like that. The right-wing of course wears pistols on their hips becasue they want to go outside with no underwear on hopin gthat the ladies will cream their jeans at how tough those guys are: it's just stupid.

Own your gun, know what it is, learn how to use it, keep it clean and stop braggin' about it. John Wayne would be ashamed.
 
haymarket said:
You would not be a match if your were capable of lighting an entire pack of cigarettes.
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actually on this topic you are pretty much getting pwned

why don't you explain your support of the second amendment and how picturing slain victims of mass murderers as "MARTYRS OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT" shows support of the constitutional right
 
MadLib said:
That isn't the problem. There were always nut jobs. People will blame the Columbine shootings on Grand Theft Auto, but as it turns out, one of the kids was a clinical psychopath (meaning he was effectively incapable of true moral thinking) and the other kid was very psychologically weak.

The media tends to blame things like this on whatever they can, but people are people, and will always kill other people.
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I agree here. I think much of this is media coverage, longer news cycles mean more time to fill and the bad stuff is more compelling. That said there is room for parents to step in and explain the basics of life to their kids, entertainment isn't the problem unless it's the only influence children have. As far as the psychopathy goes, I feel for people afflicted, but if those around them think they are a danger to themselves or others they must get that person help.
 
haymarket said:
Thank you. That article completely supports my point.
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Actually, it does not. You're point is that is that it is America's gun culture which is primarily responsible for incidents such as the one at hand.

You are dead wrong.
 
Okay, we went to see The Dark Knight Rises and made it back alive. :)


It was pretty good. About 3 hours long though.... could've cut 30 min without harming the story line a bit.


Saw trailers for The Hobbit, Expendables II, and some other things that looked pretty good.

Pleasant evening.
 
Kane said:
I think commentators should wait another week or two before everyone starts politicizing this tragedy.
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Me too, Kane.

Here are a few things I'd like to know, and I think they are important:

What weapon was used to kill which people, located where? Gruesome? God, yes, but important to know.

What loads were used?

How many rounds were fired from each gun?

These are just a few questions that are important and actually matter in the way the carnage is accessed. I can see where the media - often knowing little about guns - will whip the public into a frenzy regarding, say, the AR-15. In truth, the argument can be made and has been made, that with .223 defensive loads, they are perhaps better for home defense than a pistol, less likely to penetrate walls and outside walls. At the same time, it's damn difficult to conceal carry a AR-15. But I can just see the media frenzy regarding "assault weapons". Unfortunately broadcast media is NOT at all a thinking persons information source. It is, however, the "news" source for much of America.

The above is simply one example.
 
Well - threads like this are very self-serving aren't they?

I mean give people a chance to grieve, why don't you?

Honestly.

Mods - please stick this crap in a forum of its own ... and spare us the bad taste these threads display.

Scoring political points on this tragedy is such bad form, at a bad time, and shows bad judgement.
 
Goshin said:
Okay, we went to see The Dark Knight Rises and made it back alive. :)


It was pretty good. About 3 hours long though.... could've cut 30 min without harming the story line a bit.


Saw trailers for The Hobbit, Expendables II, and some other things that looked pretty good.

Pleasant evening.
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Three hours in a cool dark theater is nap time to me. Too long.

Glad you and son enjoyed it.
 
Goshin said:
Okay, we went to see The Dark Knight Rises and made it back alive. :)


It was pretty good. About 3 hours long though.... could've cut 30 min without harming the story line a bit.


Saw trailers for The Hobbit, Expendables II, and some other things that looked pretty good.

Pleasant evening.
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Glad ya made it. How was Morgan Freeman?
 
jet57 said:
I have been to AR. My uncle, who was in the European theater became a histroy teacher after the war, and before his credentials he worked in a little gas station in e. TX that was knocked over by Bonnie & Clyde. The west never had "draws in the street". Guys walked behind their enemies and sho 'em in the head. The murder rate in some of the towns and mining settlements would make moder day Oakland blush.

My family is from the south; the foothills of the Smokies. I was firing guns at a very early age and learned what they were, how to use them and what they were for. I vividly remember my father walking into a gun store, buying a rifle off the rack, and out we walked: no waiting period. That was unheard of. The local drug stroed used to give away a shot gun shell with every purchase to be used against those damned black birds that woud ruin the corn! In high school I was on a rifel team, and I own three firearms myself.

You are quite right: a gun is a tool: that's all it is. (Of course it has its collectable qualities too, but that's another thread). A firearm is not a threat, but it can be used as one. It can be protection when needed, and like a fishing pole, used for food when necessary. But this notion that the US is some sort of gun culture is just ridiculous in my view. I think that there are plenty of politicos who live in a gun culture; a very dangerous culture in this country: one of the immature responses like an amoeba most of the time. A culture inhabited by ex-military or wanna be tough guys that continue to embarass this country, but to say that the US is a gun culture is so far off the mark in my view, that it truly short siights this entire country. The leftists say stuff like that. The right-wing of course wears pistols on their hips becasue they want to go outside with no underwear on hopin gthat the ladies will cream their jeans at how tough those guys are: it's just stupid.

Own your gun, know what it is, learn how to use it, keep it clean and stop braggin' about it. John Wayne would be ashamed.
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All right, I see your point. Perhaps we are arguing semantics here. "Too shay", as Removable Mind would say.
 
Kane said:
Well - threads like this are very self-serving aren't they?

I mean give people a chance to grieve, why don't you?

Honestly.

Mods - please stick this crap in a forum of its own ... and spare us the bad taste these threads display.

Scoring political points on this tragedy is such bad form, at a bad time, and shows bad judgement.
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This I disagree with. We have no choice as the media has jumped all over this like white on rice.
 
Its like Charlton Heston at the NRA, after Columbine.



"Who is the bigger fool. The fool or the fool who follows him?"

-Obi Wan Kenobi
 
Goshin said:
Awesome, as always, even if his role was relatively small.
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Small?? That's too bad. I know that he's injured his left hand in some way: and it really bugs him, that - may - have had something to do with a small part: I dunno. I think he's one of the greatest.
 
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