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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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apdst said:
So, switching to a round with a quarter of the stopping power was just to allow troops to carry more ammo? Good thing, because it would take three times as many rounds to kill an enemy. :rofl
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At least the other side is showing their knowledge......or lack thereof this time instead of emotionalizing.:lamo
 
haymarket said:
Baloney. The problem with your statement is that you are admittedly on one extreme end and you see that as the only realistic place to be. People like you Turtle are part of the problem. The gun culture produces people who worship guns to the point where they sound like they are talking about a gorgeous woman or having sex rather than firearms sometimes.

Such a gun culture produces someone with your mentality and attitude. Such a gun culture produces extremes that fail the nation and its people. Such a gun culture produces event after event year after year after year here in the USA while no other nation suffers the same problem with such regularity.

This has happend before many many many times. Many innocents have died. Many have been sacrificed so that the gun culture can reign nearly supreme in todyas political climate.

And it will happen again and again and again. And the next time it happens you can make more jokes about anal gang rape and killing a person in that manner. And perhaps you will feel better for it.

But it will happen again despite your sick jokes.
We have to change our culture.Why is America such a strong gun culture more so than any other developed civilized nation in the world? Give an honest answer to that and we can start having a discussion.

Which very few if any on the right really want to have.
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I am only extreme to those who are far far far left on the issue or ignorant (those two factors generally are the same)

no one I know worships guns. The castrated left produces people who cannot understand individual freedom and self reliance.

No one has been sacrificed by our respect for RIGHTS. the liberal mentality of telling people they all are winners has produced a nation of losers. When some find out that they really are losers, they do what liberals have taught them-blame someone else for their failure which often is the cause of these active shooters--people who finally get hit in the face with the cold wet pontoon of the reality that they aren't winners.

It is the mentality of people like you that breed the active shooters in our society.
 
apdst said:
The United States has had a standing army since 1775.
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The standing army of the United States was mustered to show colonists that the rebellion was serious matter. The uniforms were not aquired until after Valley Forge. At the close of the war, it was decided to abandon the army as it was thought too expensive and becasue of lack of payments an anti-military backlash swept the country:
Understanding the Creation of the U.S. Armed Forces - FPRI Finally, a mutiny occurred among some enlisted men after news of the preliminary peace arrived. Having served honorably for years under often dire conditions, the men demanded immediate discharge and payment. Nearly bankrupt and still not positive that peace was really at hand, Congress promised a financial settlement at some later date and offered the men furloughs, not discharges. Several hundred disgruntled Continental Army soldiers from Pennsylvania mutinied; they held Congress and the Pennsylvania state government hostage with fixed bayonets for several hours before the incident ended, fortunately, without bloodshed.

As a result of all these factors an outburst of antimilitarism swept the country in the Revolution’s aftermath. The Confederation government was unable to maintain anything other than a miniscule military establishment. It completely disbanded the Continental Navy and Marines, and disbanded the Continental Army, keeping only eighty men and a handful of officers in service. The military institutions founded in 1775 disappeared completely. Thus no modern regiment directly traces its lineage to the Continental Army, which was not, then, a standing regular army in the sense that the British Army was.
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I knew you'd demand proof.

The war of 1812 turned the tide on a standing national army.
 
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Sig said:
And if you take away the guns, the James Holmeses of the world will simply use bombs.

The awful truth is that there is no security against this sort of insanity.
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I have never advocating banning guns. But lets take your premise and extrapolate it.......Explain how your theory works in Japan?
 
James Holmes jailed in solitary: ‘All the inmates were talking about killing him’

'He was spitting at the door and spitting at the guards,' a just-released inmate told the Daily News. 'He's spitting at everything. Dude was acting crazy.'

Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes jailed in solitary:
 
TurtleDude said:
I am only extreme to those who are far far far left on the issue or ignorant (those two factors generally are the same)

no one I know worships guns. The castrated left produces people who cannot understand individual freedom and self reliance.

No one has been sacrificed by our respect for RIGHTS. the liberal mentality of telling people they all are winners has produced a nation of losers. When some find out that they really are losers, they do what liberals have taught them-blame someone else for their failure which often is the cause of these active shooters--people who finally get hit in the face with the cold wet pontoon of the reality that they aren't winners.

It is the mentality of people like you that breed the active shooters in our society.
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You repeatedly and openly and frequently fantasize about murdering other Americans who you disagree with on public policy. That is the definition of EXTREMIST.

In your world, WINNERS are the silk diaper set who had it handed to them on a silver platter along with a medal for their hard work in reaching out to grab it. We know that Turtle. You have made it very very clear.

So tell me about your slur against me - how do I create the shooter in Colorado? Make this good counselor. Your falling reputation may hang upon your ability to construct a verifiable case for the first time in your existence here.
 
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Moot said:
Yes, he was wearing body armor, so why did he give up so easy when the cops arrived?

The way he was armed along with the body armor kinda reminds me of these guys except he wasn't robbing a bank and he didn't have any priors....

North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think SBC is still a possibility.
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I mused the point that the shooter was ready to go! and then when the heat showed up, he just stopped and cowered. I think he chickened out: the act of sain man . . .
 
haymarket said:
We have to change our culture.
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Yes, we have to uproot those influences within our culture which cultivate psyches that are so saturated with narcissism, solipsism, and aggression that they are incapable of experiencing any empathy at all for other human beings. Holmes' actions had absolutely nothing to do with "gun worship" and if you think they did then you have no handle on this issue.
 
Sig said:
Yes, we have to uproot those influences within our culture which cultivate psyches that are so saturated with narcissism, solipsism, and aggression that they are incapable of experiencing any empathy at all for other human beings. Holmes' actions had absolutely nothing to do with "gun worship" and if you think they did then you have no handle on this issue.
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If you think it did not, you are not living in the real America.

There are none so blind as they who will not see.

And I agree about changing people who need to be changed. But that is just part of it. The gun culture is also part of it.
 
haymarket said:
I have never advocating banning guns. But lets take your premise and extrapolate it.......Explain how your theory works in Japan?
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I'm afraid that Sig makes avery valid point: one of these days some nut is going to steal a cemment truck and drive it through a school. When someone wants to; they always find a way to do it.
 
Mya said:
James Holmes jailed in solitary: ‘All the inmates were talking about killing him’

'He was spitting at the door and spitting at the guards,' a just-released inmate told the Daily News. 'He's spitting at everything. Dude was acting crazy.'

Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes jailed in solitary:
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which is why he should be in the general prison population. even the worst robber, hit man, narcotics trafficker, ponzi scheme Bernie Madoff wannabe is going to be disgusted with some coward that shoots little kids and unarmed people for fun.

His punishment will be far far worse than anything an executioner could legally do to him
 
haymarket said:
You repeatedly and openly and frequently fantasize about murdering other Americans who you disagree with on public policy. That is the definition of EXTREMIST.

In your world, WINNERS are the silk diaper set who had it handed to them on a silver platter along with a medal for their hard work in reaching out to grab it. We know that Turtle. You have made it very very clear.

So tell me about your slur against me - how do I create the shooter in Colorado? Make this good counselor. Your falling reputation may hang upon your ability to construct a verifiable case for the first time in your existence here.
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If you were to attend law school, serve as a police officer etc, you might learn what the term MURDER means. Murder means to unlawfully and usually with premeditation, kill another person. Shooting rioters, criminals, or other scum is not MURDER. killing to defend your life or the lives of others is called JUSTIFIABLE homicide



I have never advocated murdering anyone.
 
TurtleDude said:
If you were to attend law school, serve as a police officer etc, you might learn what the term MURDER means. Murder means to unlawfully and usually with premeditation, kill another person. Shooting rioters, criminals, or other scum is not MURDER. killing to defend your life or the lives of others is called JUSTIFIABLE homicide
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yup - that fits your rants to a tee when you talk about killing politicians who raise taxes or would exercise some gun control regulations. Murder plain and simple.

And that makes you the quintessential extremist. Which is why you are beyond any rational discussion on this issue and only see it as an all or nothing proposition with no middle ground .
 
jet57 said:
I mused the point that the shooter was ready to go! and then when the heat showed up, he just stopped and cowered. I think he chickened out: the act of sain man . . .
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active shooters are always cowards. If someone had wounded him-the odds are 15-1 he would have blown his brains out
 
haymarket said:
If you think it did not, you are not living in the real America.

There are none so blind as they who will not see.

And I agree about changing people who need to be changed. But that is just part of it. The gun culture is also part of it.
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America has had a fascination with guns since its inception. It has NOT had regular experiences with mass murder until the last 50 years. Something has changed in American culture and it is NOT its interest in firearms.
 
haymarket said:
If you think it did not, you are not living in the real America.

There are none so blind as they who will not see.

And I agree about changing people who need to be changed. But that is just part of it. The gun culture is also part of it.
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No its not, its the part of society that excuses failures and tells them other people are to blame
 
Sig said:
Yes, we have to uproot those influences within our culture which cultivate psyches that are so saturated with narcissism, solipsism, and aggression that they are incapable of experiencing any empathy at all for other human beings. Holmes' actions had absolutely nothing to do with "gun worship" and if you think they did then you have no handle on this issue.
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Excellent point. I sort of see this as though one of the guys from The Big Bang Theory just decided that he wanted to go postal.

The culture however, in my view, has entirely too many stresses on it. Most of this stuff is; shall I say market driven . . . That is to say the money necessary to live on is getting harder to aquire, everybody is stretched waaaaay too thin, and there appears to be no light at the end of the tunnel. There is a "din in the head" that is too constant and too competitive. The country needs to mature.
 
Sig said:
And if you take away the guns, the James Holmeses of the world will simply use bombs.

The awful truth is that there is no security against this sort of insanity.
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Indeed, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, Ted Bundy, to name a few, were not big gun users. Some will conveniently ignore that, however.
 
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haymarket said:
yup - that fits your rants to a tee when you talk about killing politicians who raise taxes or would exercise some gun control regulations. Murder plain and simple.

And that makes you the quintessential extremist. Which is why you are beyond any rational discussion on this issue and only see it as an all or nothing proposition with no middle ground .
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wrong as usual. I note that despotic politicians could very well be shot by angry citizens. Example Hughey Long

politicians who would order police to break down doors to attack citizens for merely owning guns would be justifiable targets. That would be considered patriotism.
 
Sig said:
America has had a fascination with guns since its inception. It has NOT had regular experiences with mass murder until the last 50 years. Something has changed in American culture and it is NOT its interest in firearms.
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By all means do present your verifiable case for America always being fascinated with guns. And put heavy emphasis on the FASCINATED part. This I want to to see.

Maybe you can help make my case for me? ;):roll:
 
Sig said:
America has had a fascination with guns since its inception. It has NOT had regular experiences with mass murder until the last 50 years. Something has changed in American culture and it is NOT its interest in firearms.
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Sig makes sense!
 
Risky Thicket said:
Indeed, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, Ted Bundy, to name a few, were not big gun users. Some will convenient ignore that, however.
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nor John wayne Gacy or that latino who used a gallon of gasoline to kill about 69 people in a Latino nightclub in NYC
 
haymarket said:
By all means do present your verifiable case for America always being fascinated with guns. And put heavy emphasis on the FASCINATED part. This I want to to see.

Maybe you can help make my case for me? ;):roll:
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You have no case. This is the point.
 
haymarket said:
By all means do present your verifiable case for America always being fascinated with guns. And put heavy emphasis on the FASCINATED part. This I want to to see.

Maybe you can help make my case for me? ;):roll:
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Damnit Jim (captain Kirk), I am a doctor not a magician!!!
 
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