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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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They didn't notice Holmes until he chemical bombed the theater, that actually has a more noxious smell than gasoline. And if the gas is contained properly you may never even notice it's presence until it's too late.

You don't even have to enter the theater if you're using gasoline.
 
And a fat lot of good a semi-auto rifle is going to do you against stinger missiles, Cobra attack helicopters, M-1 tanks, and laser-guided bombs.

those rifles are very good for killing someone holding a stinger missile, the pilot of an attack helicopter or tank or more importantly, the politicians who order such weapons be used against patriotic americans
 
I find that overly broad and simplistic. Cops are not usually available in the two or three minutes it takes someone to mug, brutalize or assault you.

why don't you tell us what laws would solve the problems you have noted without duly burdening us who are both responsible and sane?
I'll give you a funny personal story. There was this rather small guy at a club that used to be big here. My best friends girl at the time wanted to go, we agreed but hated the place. Anyway, the place had a bunch of roided out gorillas as security and it was my round, the little jerk looks at me with credit card in hand and goes "now what the **** do you WANT?" I got smart right back and told him if he gave me any more lip I was jumping the bar and kicking his ass. He goes into this, "I've got security" spiel and I told him, "That's fine, you aren't much of a challenge and I'll be done with what I have to do before they get here". He shut up real quick, the reason I'm sharing is it isn't that much different than an assailant, they can finish the assault well before the police can get to you.
 
Being restricted to an, e.g. 17 round magazine hardly constitutes "disarmed". :roll:

the minute the brady turds got the 10 round magazine restrictions in place, UpChuck Schumer and the other Brady turds in the senate immediately proposed a 6 round magazine limit. The 1994 backlash against the turds put an end to that nonsense. magazine limits are idiotic
 
I am not advocating an unarmed society. I am not advocating that we all be armed and carry.

I am not a person who wants to ban guns or ammunition and take away the guns of current owners.
I am not a NRA member who puts up centerfolds of the latest and greatest high powered rifle.

Is there not some place in the middle where people can advocate for responsible gun ownership but yet have reasonable laws which protect society from turning into Deadwood?

Who gets to define what's, "reasonable"?

Instead of making more restrictive gun laws, we should make more laws that restrict criminals from staying on the street.
 
limiting magazine size to say...20 rounds....isn't such a bad idea.

its moronic but that is consistent with most of your posts on this subject. why should I be limited when criminals and cops are not. Millions of americans have 30 round magazines for AR 15 rifles, AK style rifles or 25 round magazines for the 5 million or so Ruger 10-22 rifles. what are you going to do-arrest everyone who possesses one of these magazines.
 
gasoline, Tide laundry detergent and vasoline.

a pipe, fertilizer, diesel fuel, a model rocket igniter and a 9 volt battery.
Yep, the thing is that psychopaths have plenty of household items at their disposal to make lethal weapons out of. You cannot ban enough things to make people absolutely safe.
 
I don't get why he bought 6k rounds. Unless he spent time at the range, he was planning on going to other theatres? Someone can only carry, like, what 1000 rounds reasonably? So what's the other 5k for, and were they in the car.
 
How would we go about doing that?

There are safegaurds in place and nothing about Holmes caused any of them to kick in. What next?

Umm let's see you got a 20 year old student, looking for work who buys 3 guns amor and 2 gas canisters?

Sounds like a reed flag should have went up somewhere.

So instead of gun control being a little tighter , from now on when you go to the movies you stand in line to go through the metal detector or get frisked by security guards thanks the NRA, and some nut with a gun but legally bought and paid for, just like the nut at Virginia tech and those guns.:peace
 
Traffic Fatalities in 2010 Drop to Lowest Level in Recorded History | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)




Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were more total traffic fatalities than gun deaths, and if we exclude suicides (since most of them would have used another method if guns weren't available to them) there were more than twice as many traffic fatalities as non-suicide gun deaths... and some of those gun deaths were self-defense or police action.

"...According to the report, the VPC found that the number of gun deaths surpassed the number of motor vehicle deaths in ten U.S. states in 2009, the most recent year for which state-level data is available.

“Motor vehicle deaths are on the decline as the result of a successful decades-long public health-based injury prevention strategy that includes safety-related changes to vehicles and highway design,” reads an entry from the VPC website. “Meanwhile, firearms are the only consumer product not regulated by the federal government for health and safety.”

In the VPC’s report, ten states are identified as having a higher rate of gun deaths than motor vehicle deaths. The table below illustrates the statistics involving these states:

State Gun Deaths in 2009 Traffic Deaths in 2009
Alaska 104 84
Arizona 856 809
Colorado 583 565
Indiana 735 715
Michigan 1,095 977
Nevada 406 255
Oregon 417 394
Utah 260 256
Virginia 836 827
Washington 623 580

http://dlglawfirm.com/auto-accidents/gun-deaths-outnumber-traffic-deaths/


Some of those ten states (if not all) have the most lax gun control laws in the country.
 
That is NOT the society I want to live in. Were it to come to that - I would move to Canada. I love this nation and its people and it would pain me greatly to do that. But I feel such a society is a giant step backwards in civilization and I would want no part of it.

If this is indeed the price we pay for second amendment rights, why do people get so damn offended when I propose that the NRA and others build a monument to those who pay that price? Wayne La Piere does not pay that price. Charlton Heston did NOT pay that price. Seventy people in Colorado paid a price and for a dozen of them they paid the ultimate price. But when I and others want that price acknowledged publicly, we are attacked and ripped into and portrayed as gun grabbers.

that was one of the most stupid suggestions I have ever seen on this board. It was a less than subtle way of blaming a right for those killed by criminal activities. It is based on the idiotic ASSumption that if we have no second amendment rights those people would not have died.
 
I don't get why he bought 6k rounds. Unless he spent time at the range, he was planning on going to other theatres? Someone can only carry, like, what 1000 rounds reasonably? So what's the other 5k for, and were they in the car.
Even 1k rounds is going to weigh quite a bit. I have no idea why he went with that amount myself, I could see if there was a time of unrest and someone were to "bunker down".
 
I don't get why he bought 6k rounds. Unless he spent time at the range, he was planning on going to other theatres? Someone can only carry, like, what 1000 rounds reasonably? So what's the other 5k for, and were they in the car.

I believe, that since he was armored up, he actually thought he would get away with this and live to do it again.
 
those rifles are very good for killing someone holding a stinger missile, the pilot of an attack helicopter or tank or more importantly, the politicians who order such weapons be used against patriotic americans

A rifle can take out a cobra pilot or a tank? You have never been in combat.
 
The point is that there is no rational reason for anyone who isn't contemplating a massacre to have a 100-round magazine, and if he had had to change magazines it would have perhaps decreased the death, injury count, or given someone a chance to rush him or fire back when he changed magazines ... even if it just takes a couple seconds.

More ignorance-100 round magazines are very popular with "three gun" match competitors.

I love people who know nothing about guns telling we who do what is NEEDED

its like me, a guy who has played all of 18 holes of golf in my entire life telling Tiger Woods how many irons and woods he needs.
 
and why does crazy and evil find its way far more often in the USA than in any other single society?

stop lying-the murder rate in Mexico is much higher than ours. Russia-pretty bad too. South Africa. And England's rate of violent crime is now higher than ours
 
A rifle can take out a cobra pilot or a tank? You have never been in combat.
Yes, a rifle round can take out a tank depending upon the model. Gas containers on tanks tend to not be armored as well, and there are weak spots on many tanks. Now, an M1 Abrams is more of a challenge but even they have weak spots, Cobra helicopters are not well armored compared to other combat models, however their fight capability makes them a challenge, but they have to land eventually and their pilots are NOT armored.
 
I believe, that since he was armored up, he actually thought he would get away with this and live to do it again.

He stayed too long to think he would get away. He wore armor to help ensure he would live to enjoy his celebrity status. I wonder how many guys urinate in his food before he gets it?
 
That is NOT the society I want to live in. Were it to come to that - I would move to Canada. I love this nation and its people and it would pain me greatly to do that. But I feel such a society is a giant step backwards in civilization and I would want no part of it.

If this is indeed the price we pay for second amendment rights, why do people get so damn offended when I propose that the NRA and others build a monument to those who pay that price? Wayne La Piere does not pay that price. Charlton Heston did NOT pay that price. Seventy people in Colorado paid a price and for a dozen of them they paid the ultimate price. But when I and others want that price acknowledged publicly, we are attacked and ripped into and portrayed as gun grabbers.

Why don't you just stand up against the assholes that commit gun crimes?

You're the chief of staff for a state legislature lizard. Hows about you suggest he introduce legislation that makes gun crime carry an automatic death penalty?
 
He stayed too long to think he would get away. He wore armor to help ensure he would live to enjoy his celebrity status. I wonder how many guys urinate in his food before he gets it?

Perhaps..................
 
Why don't you just stand up against the assholes that commit gun crimes?

You're the chief of staff for a state legislature lizard. Hows about you suggest he introduce legislation that makes gun crime carry an automatic death penalty?
Ah, but that doesn't expand the government.
 
I don't get why he bought 6k rounds. Unless he spent time at the range, he was planning on going to other theatres? Someone can only carry, like, what 1000 rounds reasonably? So what's the other 5k for, and were they in the car.
I think he was planning on having a big shoot out with the cops aka known as "suicide by cop" but chickened out. But that doesn't explain why rigged his apartment with explosives which was probably meant to be a diversion while he went on his rampage...the sick bastard.

Suicide by cop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Yes - The intentional murder rate of the USA is three times higher than that of Canada. The USA can learn much from Canada.

what is the murder rate of white americans compared to white canadians?

I read a stat about 15 years ago that stated (using INTERPOL and FBI Statistics) the rate of white homicides in the USA was lower than Continental Europe or the UK
 
Ah, but that doesn't expand the government.

It would make things too tough on the poor, innocent bad guys, who are only criminals because society made them that way.
 
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