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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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apdst said:
By that logic let's tell the cops to sit back and wait for the bad guy to run out of ammo.
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well no but it would be a stupid cop to run into a smokey dark cinema and start shooting with innocent people running for cover
 
TurtleDude said:
no one knows. what we do know is that in most cases of active shooters-if there had been more armed potential victims the body count would have been less. here-don't know

too many variables-but I'd rather be armed than unarmed in such a situation
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I know how most people in my area act with guns.... Very stupidly. I had a friend of mine show me his gun about a year ago. The dumbass pointed it at me. You want just anybody, especially people like that, to start shooting in a situation like that? Really? Hey, let's double the casualties, and maybe we'll get the shooter too.
 
Crosscheck said:
I share that sentiment but we both know this guy will not see one day in a prison. He will follow the same path as John Hinckley living in a psychiatric hospital.

If that had been my son or daughter to die in that theater I would find a way to properly penalize him.
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TurtleDude said:
agree

I hope he ends up like Dahmer

and If I were on a grand jury and the father of some slain child were to cap that fool or better yet torture the killer to death I'd have a hard time signing a bill
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Speaking to the Dahmer situation, I may have an alternative punishment in mind; stick him in a room full of people high on "bath salts" and let dinner be served.
 
danarhea said:
No, dangerous to others. In fact, maybe we would be looking at 100 victims instead of 71.
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You have no evidence to support that. However, theres plenty of evidence to suggest that these shooters seek out unarmed grooups to attack.
 
apdst said:
By that logic let's tell the cops to sit back and wait for the bad guy to run out of ammo.
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You do know the difference between wild speculation and the use of logic.... don't you?
 
LaMidRighter said:
Speaking to the Dahmer situation, I may have an alternative punishment in mind; stick him in a room full of people high on "bath salts" and let dinner be served.
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I like DEATH BY BONGO

pm me if you haven't heard that joke
 
Goshin said:
There is certainly some truth in that... but then again, people were already being shot so it couldn't have made things much worse now could it?

There are tricks to shooting in the dark. One thing is you look for the other guy's muzzle flash... dead giveaway at night or in the dark. In the dark, he who shoots first is just giving away his position to shooters on the other side. I learned this from a Vietnam vet who wore a camoflage beret.... some folks will know what that means.

Yes it is all speculation.... there are no certainties in life, no guarantees you'll live until tomorrow. You could run into a looney, or have a heart attack, or slip in the bathtub and break your neck.

Well.... I put no-skid stickers on the floor of my bathtub, see my doctor annually and carry a gun I'm very adept in using. :mrgreen: None of these things are guarantees you'll live out the day, but they do improve your odds a bit.
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and dont get me wrong I have no problem with you carrying a gun but I think its folly to try and claim at this point that if someone had been able to shoot back last night that the outcome would of been different. Innocent people died because of a sick sick man, anything else is just a distraction.
 
apdst said:
You have no evidence to support that. However, theres plenty of evidence to suggest that these shooters seek out unarmed grooups to attack.
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You may have something there. Nobody has yet made an assault on Wayne La Pierre and his board of directors at NRA headquarters in Virginia yet have they ? :roll:
 
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Higgins86 said:
in terms of US gun law what does "A well regulated Militia" mean today? Not trying to stir the pot just curious.
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The arguments have gotten so convoluted that the miitia aspect gets either tortured or forgotten altogether. State militias as the modern law follows would be the NG, CG, USAFR, etc. but the founders were patently clear on it, defining every male citizen of able body between 18 and 45 to be called up in times of defensive need.
 
TurtleDude said:
I like DEATH BY BONGO

pm me if you haven't heard that joke
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I heard the joke as death by bunga, but I like your description better. Death from having to listen to untalented drummer. LOL.
 
haymarket said:
You may have something there. Nobody has yet made an assault on Wayne La Pierre and his board of directors at NRA headquarters in DC yet have they ? :roll:
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no but racist black Bob herbert, mayor Bloomturd and other whackos were blaming the NRA for this

of course if someone were to assault the NRA HQ-the good news is that most of the rioters would get shot:mrgreen:
 
Risky Thicket said:
I don't believe we know enough to know. The shooter may have had a near-perfect kill zone. In addition, he decreased his risk by using smoke.
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Actually, with smoke, in a dark room, he diminished sector of fire. Also, his own smoke screen could have been used against to close with him and emgage at a more effective range.
 
danarhea said:
I heard the joke as death by bunga, but I like your description better. Death from having to listen to untalented drummer. LOL.
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this was the one with the three missionaries and the head hunters in south america
 
Goshin said:
Well.... I put no-skid stickers on the floor of my bathtub, see my doctor annually and carry a gun I'm very adept in using. :mrgreen: None of these things are guarantees you'll live out the day, but they do improve your odds a bit.
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How would you have felt if you were there, and you took a shot at a muzzle flash only to realize that you shot someone else who was trying to defend themselves from the shooter?

Let us be realistic. Speculation about what could or could not have happened is nothing but mental masturbation. We would all like to imagine how the situation could have been made better, but it would probably be wiser of us to start before it ever became a shooting.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The arguments have gotten so convoluted that the miitia aspect gets either tortured or forgotten altogether. State militias as the modern law follows would be the NG, CG, USAFR, etc. but the founders were patently clear on it, defining every male citizen of able body between 18 and 45 to be called up in times of defensive need.
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but did this refer to everyday law breaking/ perceived threat or warfare? Again not trying to stir the pot but US gun law is something that confuses me.
 
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"Colorado shooting suspect James Eagan Holmes booby-trapped his apartment with wires and incendiary devices. Bomb experts are trying to figure out the best way to proceed so that they can search the apartment without triggering an explosion."


His place is a ticking bomb almost! they will have to send a robot in there...it's that dangerous!:shock:
 
danarhea said:
I know how most people in my area act with guns.... Very stupidly. I had a friend of mine show me his gun about a year ago. The dumbass pointed it at me. You want just anybody, especially people like that, to start shooting in a situation like that? Really? Hey, let's double the casualties, and maybe we'll get the shooter too.
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Yeah, but you are talking about Texas. Most of the people on the Jerry Springer show were from Texas and Florida. I'm just saying. :mrgreen:
 
Wow this thread moves fast!
Goshin you are incorrect about the 2nd A referring to some 'unorganized militia'. The Militia Act of 1903 created and defined the unorganized militia. It also gave it the age boundaries, something that best not be mentioned in limiting firearm ownership as I am comfortably over 45 and have ZERO intention of 'standing down' and turning in any firearms I own.

Most of the 'evidence' on what the Founders meant by militia comes mostly from modern day 2nd A 'experts' and scant from actual contemporary Founder's writings that were recorded in the Constitution. A great deal of ink went into defining articles 1-3, but one poorly constructed sentence on what many claim to be THE final check on tyranny.

Great detail on how to select congress critters, nary a word on defining the militia. The duties of the President but not on the citizen's duty to the militia.
 
Mya said:
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"Colorado shooting suspect James Eagan Holmes booby-trapped his apartment with wires and incendiary devices. Bomb experts are trying to figure out the best way to proceed so that they can search the apartment without triggering an explosion."


His place is a ticking bomb almost! they will have to send a robot in there...it's that dangerous!:shock:
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I say have him defuse it

if he fails we save the tax payers a couple million

if he is successful no cops are put at risk

I see a win win
 
TurtleDude said:
I say have him defuse it

if he fails we save the tax payers a couple million

if he is successful no cops are put at risk

I see a win win
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I agree but we know that ain't going to happen!
 
TurtleDude said:
I say have him defuse it

if he fails we save the tax payers a couple million

if he is successful no cops are put at risk

I see a win win
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While I have no concern for the life of this slime ball I do want to see what is inside that apartment than may help explain his motivation.
 
apdst said:
Actually, with smoke, in a dark room, he diminished sector of fire. Also, his own smoke screen could have been used against to close with him and emgage at a more effective range.
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Ahhh, but he was firing indiscriminately. Anyone he hit was a bingo for him. I doubt seriously that he aimed at anyone. There wasn't any spray and pray. It was all spray for the bastard.
 
Mya said:
I agree but we know that ain't going to happen!
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neither is the cops hooking this guy's nether regions up to a transformer but we can only wish!!!!:mrgreen:
 
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