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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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LaMidRighter said:
Actually, I'm pretty well crisis tested. Been through explosive gas leaks without breaking a sweat, been knifed, been assaulted, etc. and I can tell you I have an incredibly low fear factor. I get where you are going at but there are people who know exactly what they are capable of.
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Yes, there are.
 
KevinKohler said:
Even untested folks will act in an apparently selfless manner. I'm one of those guys that "doesn't think". Never been stabbed on nothing, but I've had a few close calls from falling, while just trying to grab another guy from falling. I used to work up high, on buildings and such, and I've saved a couple guys from bad spills, without even THINKING about the danger it put ME in, until after the fact. Then I realize..."Woa...I could have just died...why didn't I think that through a little better?"


Some people simply see what needs to be done, and do, and then think about it later.


Sad that those people tend to end up dead, eh, lol?
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On the bright side, a hero dies only once.
 
nota bene said:
On the bright side, a hero dies only once.
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Yeah, but I got a family now. I have a responsibility to live as a coward rather than die a hero, you know?

Not saying had I been in that situation, I would have done NOTHING hoping to live...can't say. Never been shot at by anything of high caliber than a BB gun, lol. I imagine, had I been there, so, too, would my wife, and MY instinct would have been to lay on the floor, and make my wife do the same. Let him shoot at the panicky people running for the exits...but who knows. Certainly not me. ****, I can't even get my mind wrapped around what a possible motive could be for this.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I'm still trying to find out why the options "suck worse" when they get the majority of people out alive. What I'm seeing in your posts and the other "it's about having a gun" people on this forum is this dichotomy of "die or shoot someone." That's an incredibly false dichotomy.
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Well, considering that this guy would have no problem shooting you in the back while you're trying to reach the exit, had blood on his clothing according to statements so he was shooting people point blank and at close range, and obviously would have shot someone trying to duck and cover I'd say the option that really sucks is going out like a victim.
 
KevinKohler said:
In terms of HIDING, stayin glow, hoping to not get shot, YES.


In terms of returning fire, without killing anyone besides the aggressor?

Not so much.
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I was thinking more in terms of using the smoke to conceal my movement to a more advantagious position from which to subdue the shooter.

But, I think that way...some folks just want to do nothing and hope they're not the one that gets hurt.
 
KevinKohler said:
Yeah, but I got a family now. I have a responsibility to live as a coward rather than die a hero, you know?

Not saying had I been in that situation, I would have done NOTHING hoping to live...can't say. Never been shot at by anything of high caliber than a BB gun, lol. I imagine, had I been there, so, too, would my wife, and MY instinct would have been to lay on the floor, and make my wife do the same. Let him shoot at the panicky people running for the exits...but who knows. Certainly not me. ****, I can't even get my mind wrapped around what a possible motive could be for this.
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Even if your family is sitting right next to you, while the rounds are flying?
 
KevinKohler said:
Yeah, but I got a family now. I have a responsibility to live as a coward rather than die a hero, you know?
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So you would choose your life over your child's? Because you can read all over the world about the courageous sacrifices parents have made, including giving up their own lives, to save their kids'.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
All you gun loving, tobacco chewing, pickup truck driving, deer killing, creationist, anti global warming Bubbas who howl and scream every time someone wants to make sensible gun laws are responsible for this. Nice job. How many people have to die before you give up your right to buy a big gun to compensate for your small whacker?
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Maybe it's just me, but that seems like a strange way to admit to having intimate knowledge on the size of countless penises.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Well, considering that this guy would have no problem shooting you in the back while you're trying to reach the exit, had blood on his clothing according to statements so he was shooting people point blank and at close range, and obviously would have shot someone trying to duck and cover I'd say the option that really sucks is going out like a victim.
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I was sitting next to an attorney who is also a DEA S/A today at a CLE seminar and he noted to me-some of my friends wonder why I carry at movie theaters, malls and churches. I said i'm going to start carrying more-i normally only carry when I am traveling on the interstate in remote areas, bad areas or very late at night.

no more.

same with my wife who just became a certified SW armorer yesterday.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Actually, I'm pretty well crisis tested. Been through explosive gas leaks without breaking a sweat, been knifed, been assaulted, etc. and I can tell you I have an incredibly low fear factor. I get where you are going at but there are people who know exactly what they are capable of.
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Dude, you need to stop dating those Mississippi women.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Dude, you need to stop dating those Mississippi women.
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ROFL! Actually it was an industrial propane tank with a sheered off regulator, around 1500 lbs. Worth and basically enough to take out half a city block. I would crap my pants if I ended up with a Miss. woman......j/k.:lamo
 
apdst said:
Even if your family is sitting right next to you, while the rounds are flying?
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What part of making my wife lay down with me did you not get?


Simply put, I perceive THAT as being OUR best ticket for survival, not me going Rambo trying to kill the guy shooting, in a room in which I can barely see my hand in front of my face. This kid was spraying bullets, buddy. Best way to avoid getting hit by one is to go where he is least likely to be spraying, which is DOWN.
 
nota bene said:
So you would choose your life over your child's? Because you can read all over the world about the courageous sacrifices parents have made, including giving up their own lives, to save their kids'.
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My child would never be there. She is 3.


So, yes, I would absolutely take the option that would be MOST likely to result in my coming to see here again.
 
KevinKohler said:
What part of making my wife lay down with me did you not get?


Simply put, I perceive THAT as being OUR best ticket for survival, not me going Rambo trying to kill the guy shooting, in a room in which I can barely see my hand in front of my face. This kid was spraying bullets, buddy. Best way to avoid getting hit by one is to go where he is least likely to be spraying, which is DOWN.
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There is no real good option in a theater, hard floors so bullets will be ricocheting, plastic seatbacks so little resistance to even low velocity rounds, if he's in the lower decks of seats he can possibly get a lucky shot on someone laying in a higher row. There are so many logistical problems that survival is already iffy.
 
KevinKohler said:
What part of making my wife lay down with me did you not get?


Simply put, I perceive THAT as being OUR best ticket for survival, not me going Rambo trying to kill the guy shooting, in a room in which I can barely see my hand in front of my face. This kid was spraying bullets, buddy. Best way to avoid getting hit by one is to go where he is least likely to be spraying, which is DOWN.
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You're right. That is the best way to keep from getting hit. Would it be the best way to help? Eh...not so much.
 
nota bene said:
So you would choose your life over your child's? Because you can read all over the world about the courageous sacrifices parents have made, including giving up their own lives, to save their kids'.
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Now, if my ENTIRE family were there, for some strange reason, then yeah, who the hell knows what I would do. All bets are off, at that point. Put a gun in my hand, and I likely WOULD shoot back, which, to be honest, likely WOULD result in more people beyond the aggressor getting killed. Again, dark room, staring at a giant bright screen, and smoke. It'd take my eyes 1 minute just to be able to see more than a foot in front of me, let alone enough to deal with smoke, panicked people, etc.


You could have had James Bond, John Rambo, Jason Bourn, AND Batman in that room, and the tragedy would have unfolded in the same way.

Simply put, it was well planned. It was a perfect awful nightmare scenario.
 
TurtleDude said:
I was sitting next to an attorney who is also a DEA S/A today at a CLE seminar and he noted to me-some of my friends wonder why I carry at movie theaters, malls and churches. I said i'm going to start carrying more-i normally only carry when I am traveling on the interstate in remote areas, bad areas or very late at night.

no more.

same with my wife who just became a certified SW armorer yesterday.
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Congrats to your wife. Cool!
 
LaMidRighter said:
There is no real good option in a theater, hard floors so bullets will be ricocheting, plastic seatbacks so little resistance to even low velocity rounds, if he's in the lower decks of seats he can possibly get a lucky shot on someone laying in a higher row. There are so many logistical problems that survival is already iffy.
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They should retrofit theaters/malls/schools etc. with safe positions for people to take cover during incidents like this.
 
apdst said:
You're right. That is the best way to keep from getting hit. Would it be the best way to help? Eh...not so much.
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My obligation as a parent is not to anyone else. Only my children.

Me getting killed, even if it saves 50 other people, does not give my daughter the best father she deserves, does it? When you think about it THAT way, those other people? Their lives are cheap, sorry to say.
 
KevinKohler said:
My obligation as a parent is not to anyone else. Only my children.

Me getting killed, even if it saves 50 other people, does not give my daughter the best father she deserves, does it? When you think about it THAT way, those other people? Their lives are cheap, sorry to say.
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That really is pretty sorry.
 
KevinKohler said:
My obligation as a parent is not to anyone else. Only my children.

Me getting killed, even if it saves 50 other people, does not give my daughter the best father she deserves, does it? When you think about it THAT way, those other people? Their lives are cheap, sorry to say.
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Way to go, fellow American!

All I can say to that, is...

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Risky Thicket said:
Congrats to your wife. Cool!
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yeah I was offered the slot at the range where we shoot-it was mainly for employees but I help a lot around there but I had to attend our office yearly "law camp" and to meet my Ohio Bar CLE requirements so the wife went and got a 100 percent on the test. When she gets her credentials she gets to buy a SW MP Pro for cost which is about 200 bucks. we have a bunch of those SW M&P autos and its my primary "Car gun" and I often carry the compact version so her knowing how to fix one is a good skill. She now wants to become a Glock armorer and an AR 15 armorer. I am one for 1911's-we had to build one from scratch and get it to shoot 10 magazines without a jam many years ago. The one I built I sold to a guy for what the parts cost plus some and I saw him about 6 months ago and he said its still running really well (Caspian Kit)
 
nota bene said:
That really is pretty sorry.
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Call it what you want. Next time someone shoots up the theater you're at, be sure to jump in the line of fire to save some lives. Keep an image of your child in you mind as you die.
 
apdst said:
I was thinking more in terms of using the smoke to conceal my movement to a more advantagious position from which to subdue the shooter.

But, I think that way...some folks just want to do nothing and hope they're not the one that gets hurt.
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I'm sure the theater seats, being so spacious and easy to navigate on a slope, in addition to dozens of screaming and bloody people around you would have been no contest for your butter sweet swarzenegger skills.

Aren't you the one who said something about thanking Islam?
 
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