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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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LaMidRighter said:
I have a feeling he will go for the insanity defense, and based on his actions might get it, I hope it's not accepted as I am frankly sickened by this indiscriminate disregard for human life.
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I believe that, in cases like this, if he is judged "insane", then he is usually given meds until he understands what he did, and is then put on trial.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Or the 3rd option, which ensured the majority of those people got out of the theater: panic, take cover, don't shoot back, don't get shot, leave and survive.
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That's called "luck."
 
Tucker Case said:
My common sense tells me that most people with CC permits have never really been under fire before.

With these types of killers, they don't really care. Again, I'll cite Ft Hood. He was able to take out one of the people firing back at him.
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The former point is why I can't take much of this, "people should have shot him...I would have shot him...shooting him would have helped...blah, blah, etc.." seriously. It's just as ridiculous and completely speculation based as the "gun laws would have stopped this" nonsense is. Most people have never been shot at and certainly not in this type of scenario. As far as I'm concerned, it's just as likely or more that the "heroes" would have been shot dead on the spot by the man in the bullet proof vest and the gas mask than they would have stopped him or slowed him down.

Both sides of gun issue on this just want to believe that they have the answer. They don't.
 
Hammerskin said:
It's confirmed. Check the news articles.



Islam is a discriminative religion and Jihad is a part of it, and since the peneprator was an Indian Muslim, the attack is probably "Jihadist".
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My Iranian boss was in prayer for the victims for more than an hour this morning, and during this time, he forbid me to do any work, although he still paid me, and most of my Muslim friends were horrified, and prayed for the victims at Friday prayers in their Mosques today. With all due respect, your post is an insult to decency.
 
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nota bene said:
That's called "luck."
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I'm pretty sure it's called, "panic, take cover, don't shoot back, don't get shot, leave and survive" and it's kept the majority of people in the targeted area alive in nearly every mass shooting like this that we've had in this country. I'll take it over this, "let me be a hero and shoot this bulletproof vest, gas mask wearing, don't give a **** dude" attitude any day.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
The former point is why I can't take much of this, "people should have shot him...I would have shot him...shooting him would have helped...blah, blah, etc.." seriously. It's just as ridiculous and completely speculation based as the "gun laws would have stopped this" nonsense is. Most people have never been shot at and certainly not in this type of scenario. As far as I'm concerned, it's just as likely or more that the "heroes" would have been shot dead on the spot by the man in the bullet proof vest and the gas mask than they would have stopped him or slowed him down.

Both sides of gun issue on this just want to believe that they have the answer. They don't.
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I guess you missed all the cases where armed citizens have shot murderers. Including some old guy who stopped two armed youths.

I have no worries dealing with someone with body armor-I know where to hit them

and someone who has a helmet on and is knocked down-well I won't tell you how to do it but you can easily use that helmet to break their neck
 
apdst said:
With all that body armor, I'm thinking that suicide by cop was a part of the plan.
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Not from what I heard on radio news. He'd told people to call him The Joker over the last several weeks. His plan was The Joker's plan in one of the Batman movies -- to get captured. That's why he just gave up to the coppers when they came. He was waiting for them by his car. At least that's the story as of a couple hours ago.
 
Phys251 said:
Oh okay, so a pedophile is not that bad. :doh
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Not as bad as a murderer.


This is one of the most uncivilized comments I have read in weeks. Not, one of the most uncivilized comments I've read on DP in weeks. One of the most uncivilized I've read ANYWHERE.

Thank GOD the police didn't listen to this patently absurd device. More than anything, Aurora deserves answers. And with the shooter alive, we may yet get those answers.
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There is nothing uncivilized about what I said.The fact is it doesn't matter why that nut job shot up all those people.
 
MaggieD said:
Your post is an abomination. This is the jerkiest post I've ever read on Debate Politics.
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the attacker was a white guy. the best thing that can happen is putting this guy in the general prison population
 
Thank you, and my Islamic friends also thank you. :)
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Or the 3rd option, which ensured the majority of those people got out of the theater: panic, take cover, don't shoot back, don't get shot, leave and survive.
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IOW, "don't do anything and hope it all works out". "Do nothing, while my fellow citizens die, because I'm afraid I might hurt someone"

Thanks, anyway, but I'll pass. The, "do nothing", approach is obviously a failed strategy.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The former point is why I can't take much of this, "people should have shot him...I would have shot him...shooting him would have helped...blah, blah, etc.." seriously. It's just as ridiculous and completely speculation based as the "gun laws would have stopped this" nonsense is. Most people have never been shot at and certainly not in this type of scenario. As far as I'm concerned, it's just as likely or more that the "heroes" would have been shot dead on the spot by the man in the bullet proof vest and the gas mask than they would have stopped him or slowed him down.

Both sides of gun issue on this just want to believe that they have the answer. They don't.
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The answer the anti-gun side is giving us doesn't work, obviously.
 
apdst said:
IOW, "don't do anything and hope it all works out". "Do nothing, while my fellow citizens die, because I'm afraid I might hurt someone"

Thanks, anyway, but I'll pass. The, "do nothing", approach is obviously a failed strategy.
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In some circumstances, it comes down to dying on your knees for sure or maybe on your feet.
 
apdst said:
IOW, "don't do anything and hope it all works out". "Do nothing, while my fellow citizens die, because I'm afraid I might hurt someone"

Thanks, anyway, but I'll pass. The, "do nothing", approach is obviously a failed strategy.
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its to be expected from people who believe in outsourcing personal defense and safety to paid government agents
 
danarhea said:
My Iranian boss was in prayer for the victims for more than an hour this morning, and during this time, he forbid me to do any work, although he still paid me, and most of my Muslim friends were horrified, and prayed for the victims at Friday prayers in their Mosques today. With all due respect, your post is an insult to decency.
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Then again, they might have just been praying that the shooter wasn't a Muslim.
 
apdst said:
IOW, "don't do anything and hope it all works out". "Do nothing, while my fellow citizens die, because I'm afraid I might hurt someone"

Thanks, anyway, but I'll pass. The, "do nothing", approach is obviously a failed strategy.
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IOW, "I get to use a damn gun and kill somone! Woo!"
 
apdst said:
IOW, "don't do anything and hope it all works out". "Do nothing, while my fellow citizens die, because I'm afraid I might hurt someone"

Thanks, anyway, but I'll pass. The, "do nothing", approach is obviously a failed strategy.
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The problem with that approach is that many who may take it don't know how to use weapons. It is more likely there would be more victims at their hands because of their shoot-before-thinking attitude than there would be of the killer being taken down.
 
apdst said:
IOW, "don't do anything and hope it all works out". "Do nothing, while my fellow citizens die, because I'm afraid I might hurt someone"

Thanks, anyway, but I'll pass. The, "do nothing", approach is obviously a failed strategy.
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Hey, dude if you want to get shot for no reason, go for it, but the majority of people who get out of these kinds of situations don't try to confront the armed guy with the bulletproof vest who has nothing to lose. Hey, maybe they'll even call you a "hero."

And, by the way, I know you probably think you know exactly how you'd react in this situation, but you don't. Oftentimes, people don't have enough time to think about such noble topics as "will I let my fellow citizens die." It's fight or flight, that's it.
 
MaggieD said:
Not from what I heard on radio news. He'd told people to call him The Joker over the last several weeks. His plan was The Joker's plan in one of the Batman movies -- to get captured. That's why he just gave up to the coppers when they came. He was waiting for them by his car. At least that's the story as of a couple hours ago.
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I meant to say that it, "wasn't", the plan. My bad.
 
danarhea said:
The problem with that approach is that many who may take it don't know how to use weapons. It is more likely there would be more victims at their hands because of their shoot-before-thinking attitude than there would be of the killer being taken down.
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Off topic.. but this James Holmes bought his guns in May, June and July.. Lots of plannin.
 
apdst said:
Then again, they might have just been praying that the shooter wasn't a Muslim.
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That is a disgusting comment. Those I know, and BTW, and I know many in both the Jewish and Islamic Communities in Houston, are pretty torn up over this. But don't let what I am telling you blind your hatred.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Hey, dude if you want to get shot for no reason, go for it, but the majority of people who get out of these kinds of situations don't try to confront the armed guy with the bulletproof vest who has nothing to lose. Hey, maybe they'll even call you a "hero."

And, by the way, I know you probably think you know exactly how you'd react in this situation, but you don't. Oftentimes, people don't have enough time to think about such noble topics as "will I let my fellow citizens die." It's fight or flight, that's it.
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All these people got shot for no reason.
 
danarhea said:
That is a disgusting comment. Those I know, and BTW, and I know many in both the Jewish and Islamic Communities in Houston, are pretty torn up over this. But don't let what I am telling you blind your hatred.
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It was sarcasm dude, chill out.
 
sharon said:
Off topic.. but this James Holmes bought his guns in May, June and July.. Lots of plannin.
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That doesn't indicate how long he planned this. Purchasing guns isn't a criminal act, nor does it prove intent to committ a criminal act.
 
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