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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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Thunder said:
its MUCH easier to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado, than in NYC.

and yet, no one shot back at the killer.
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A shoot out in a crowded theater is not a good idea.
 
I feel deeply for the poor father of the six year old, but just have to say - what sort of ****ed up parent (the ex-wife) takes a six year old to see Dark Knight Rises?
 
sharon said:
No.. He went out the exit door, did something to prevent it from locking, suited up and came back in that door.
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Well that covers the story about a supicious guy hanging around the door before the movie.

Thanks for the news
 
jet57 said:
Well that covers the story about a supicious guy hanging around the door before the movie.

Thanks for the news
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One patron said, he had his cellphone in hand as he went out the door... and he thought it odd because people tend to go out to the lobby to take calls.
 
Einzige said:
The Hell do you get your information from? You're engaging in exactly the same speculative sort of behavior that the "mainstream media" you victimize yourself over is doing. Breitbart's website retracted that information:

From Breitbart.com:

Not only was Holmes not a Democrat, but he wasn't even registered to vote.

I repeat: please stop martyring yourself.
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Apparently you choose to be ignorant to what was said, and then how it impacts on the larger scale. What my obligation, and intent are, vs. ABC.

Stop making yourself look foolish.

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sharon said:
A shoot out in a crowded theater is not a good idea.
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Crazy dude thought it was. People should arm themselves, it may have ended a bloodier mess than it already is, or it may have ended with less victims. Too many variables here to know. If it were my three year old or 10 month old he was shooting at, I would like to think I would have fired back. Even if I were killed, I might have been given my girls a chance to escape.

Never mind, I really just don't want to think about that kind of scenario.
 
Thunder said:
its MUCH easier to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado, than in NYC.

and yet, no one shot back at the killer.
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Denver is ome of the most Liberal cities in the country, so you may om tje wrong roae.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Apparently you choose to be ignorant to what was said, and then how it impacts on the larger scale. What my obligation, and intent are, vs. ABC.
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I didn't "ignore what you said". I addressed what you said exactly. And what you said was that the killer, Holmes, was a registered Democrat, and that you felt victimized by the big, bad librul media for not mentioning that 'fact'. I 'addressed' your claim by debunking it: Homes was not a Democrat.

You want, on the one hand, to pretend as if the mainstream media is persecuting you; the right-wing in this country has developed a worrisome love affair with self-victimization. On the other, you want to engage in the same sort of behavior you see in the 'mainstream media'. It won't do.

Let's go through this again, shall we?

You wrote:


Eighty Deuce said:
Let's see if ABC reports that the suspect is a registered Democrat.
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But this is speculation. And it is, furthermore, incorrect.

From Breitbart.com:

James Holmes, the suspect arrested in connection with the mass shootings at a screening of the new Batman movie early this morning in Aurora, CO, could be a registered Democrat, according to documents obtained by Breitbart News. Earlier, ABC News' Brian Ross and George Stephanopoulos speculated on Good Morning America that Holmes was a Tea Party member, based solely on a name appearing on a Tea Party website.


Update (12:49 EDT): Newly-released information on the suspect's birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect's likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.
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In other words, you were engaging in hypocrisy. And I don't like hypocrisy.
 
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Romulus said:
Crazy dude thought it was. People should arm themselves, it may have ended a bloodier mess than it already is, or it may have ended with less victims. Too many variables here to know. If it were my three year old or 10 month old he was shooting at, I would like to think I would have fired back. Even if I were killed, I might have been given my girls a chance to escape.

Never mind, I really just don't want to think about that kind of scenario.
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I know... So many survivors were unable to even comprehend what was going on until they got out of the theater.

I have been to hundreds of HS foorball games.. and I saw the bleachers collapse across the field.. It was like slow motion and my brain couldn't register it for several seconds..

Imagine a darkened theater.
 
I have said it before...either everyone should have to own a gun or no one (outside of cops/military) should own a gun.

NO WAY this guy does this if he knows that there is good chance many in the crowd would have been armed also.
 
I would suggest 'whackos' don't care who they face, especially the ones who come to the dance decked out in 'Star Wars' body armor.

Robbers and thieves tend to be more selective, though those going after hard targets tend to suit up, ;)

Generalities like no gunmen attacking an NRA convection is interesting, last one I attended was in Tulsa and no carry was permitted. Might want to try, "you don't read about too many robbers trying to shake down a police station at shift change."

I know we can speculate on all of this, I would like to point out Colorado CCW laws are pretty agreeable, it is a 'shall issue' state, yet no one apparently was armed or perhaps more to the point, willing to step up and shoot back.

Hmmm, unless the NRA convention is liberally laced with seasoned combat vets the bad guys might not be in as much hot water as some would think... :shock:
 
Thunder said:
its MUCH easier to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado, than in NYC.

and yet, no one shot back at the killer.
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Are you kidding me? This guy was in full battle gear, heavily armed with TWO long guns, an AR-15 and a shotgun. True it is easier to LEGALLY carry concealed in CO than in NYC, but it is still far too rare for the odds to be good of finding even ONE concealed handgun in a late night movie theater, not only that, but this killer was "well suited" for an armed defense as well. He picked a location with poor lighting, immovable furniture, lots of young people, wore dark clothing/body armor and used smoke/gas bombs to help prevent others from acquiring a good shot at him. In short, he was well prepared for his mass murder mission and planned it well.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
...He picked a location with poor lighting, immovable furtiture, lots of young people, wore dark clothing/bodyy armor and used smoke/gas bombs to help prevent others from acquiring a good shot at him.....
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which means he was prepared for an armed-audience.
 
DA60 said:
I have said it before...either everyone should have to own a gun or no one (outside of cops/military) should own a gun.

NO WAY this guy does this if he knows that there is good chance many in the crowd would have been armed also.
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That's logical thinking.... Although I have no qualms on gun ownership. I am a 2nd ammendment fan. More gun carriers doesn't repel a person from doing what they do, but it does give them a lot less time to kill so many people.
 
Thunder said:
which means he was prepared for an armed-audience.
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Yep. I believe that was his intent, yet his MAIN concern was clearly getting a high victim count. His intent was not to get away but simply to kill as many as possible before being stopped.
 
Reading stories like this makes me questioin humanity sometimes.
 
All this comparison between the fact that it is easier to carry a concealed weapon here vs whereever is retarded. Just because it is easier to get a ccw here does not mean everyone here has one. And even those who do are not required to carry it everywhere with them. I think very few ccw holders feel the need to carry it with them to go see batman.
 
It's very unlikely that someone carrying concealed would have stopped him from taking many more lives than he already took. According to all reports, Holmes was wearing body armor - I've read variously Kevlar and flak. I favor concealed carry, but this is a pretty bad case to argue that it would have mattered one way or the other.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Are you kidding me? This guy was in full battle gear, heavily armed with TWO long guns, an AR-15 and a shotgun. True it is easier to LEGALLY carry concealed in CO than in NYC, but it is still far too rare for the odds to be good of finding even ONE concealed handgun in a late night movie theater, not only that, but this killer was "well suited" for an armed defense as well. He picked a location with poor lighting, immovable furniture, lots of young people, wore dark clothing/body armor and used smoke/gas bombs to help prevent others from acquiring a good shot at him. In short, he was well prepared for his mass murder mission and planned it well.
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And not only was it dark, but some of the audience members were primed to think it was a hoax. I've read--can't find link at the moment--that one the trailers before the movie showed a gunman shooting up a theater. And from the AP:

Sylvana Guillen, 20, said when a man appeared at the front of the theater clad in dark clothing looking like a SWAT team member as Catwoman
made an appearance in the movie, the audience "thought it was a joke, a
hoax."

Then they heard gunshots and smelled smoke from a canister he was carrying, and Guillen knew it was real.

News from The Associated Press
 
sharon said:
I know... So many survivors were unable to even comprehend what was going on until they got out of the theater.

I have been to hundreds of HS foorball games.. and I saw the bleachers collapse across the field.. It was like slow motion and my brain couldn't register it for several seconds..

Imagine a darkened theater.
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The surreal nature of any kind of event.... I was involved in a fatal accident with a motorcyclist. There wasn't anything I could do, the guy thought he was the next Evel Knievel. He loses it at high speed and his body skims across the pavement, his head stiking my front right bumper. Yeah, I locked up the brakes, but not enough time for me to stop and my front right tire ends up on his chest and throat. I sat there for a few seconds waiting for the guy to get up and shake it off. Just didn't fully realize what was actually happening. It was over for the guy anyway from the broken C-spine. Had he somehow survived that massive Fx, caving in his chest and throat was a blessing. My 1st unhazy memory of it is getting out of the car to see if he was ok and seeing where my tire was and backing up and feeling it roll off him. Thankfully there were enough witnesses so that I was found to be completely not at fault.
 
Einzige said:
I didn't "ignore what you said". I addressed what you said exactly. And what you said was that the killer, Holmes, was a registered Democrat, and that you felt victimized by the big, bad librul media for not mentioning that 'fact'. I 'addressed' your claim by debunking it: Homes was not a Democrat.

You want, on the one hand, to pretend as if the mainstream media is persecuting you; the right-wing in this country has developed a worrisome love affair with self-victimization. On the other, you want to engage in the same sort of behavior you see in the 'mainstream media'. It won't do.

Let's go through this again, shall we?

You wrote:

But this is speculation. And it is, furthermore, incorrect.

From Breitbart.com:

In other words, you were engaging in hypocrisy. And I don't like hypocrisy.
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Get down off your hobby horse ... .ROFLMAO ......... we mock ABC, and you are all but-hurt. ;)
 
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