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More Americans went on disability than found jobs in last 3 months

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More Americans went on disability than found jobs over the last three months, according to fresh figures crunched by the Senate Budget Committee. Underscoring the extent of the recent slowdown in the economy, the startling numbers show that between April and June, a total of 246,000 people enrolled in the Social Security Disability Insurance program. In the same period, just 225,000 found jobs.
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Read more: More Americans went on disability than found jobs in last 3 months | Fox News

Unemployment benefits run out? Put in a claim for disability. Maybe you can keep on not working.
 
Anything to stay on the government teet!
 
Erod said:
Anything to stay on the government teet!
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It occurs to me this is an indication folks are doing what they can to survive. Also an opportunity for Mitt. His staff should be rolling this story into an ad that they should be playing 24/7 until the election. They don't even have to comment upon it, just feature the headline over and over again, maybe combine it with Obama quotes about the economy.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Expect this trend to continue, as the backlog for SSDI claims is HUGE:

2010 CDA Long-Term Disability Claims Review - Council for Disability Awareness
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From your link:

Most reporting companies suggest they have observed little evidence that the recession has broadly impacted claims in any significant way. Most companies report little change in claim incidence or termination rates.
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Meaning that people are not going on disability just because they can't find work.

Also, SSDI is different than Long-term disability. I know first hand getting on SSD is a pain in the ass as I have helped someone with that paperwork. The claim took almost a year and this person had documented MS for the last 8 years and finally progressed to the point she could no longer work.
 
TheNextEra said:
From your link:



Meaning that people are not going on disability just because they can't find work.

Also, SSDI is different than Long-term disability. I know first hand getting on SSD is a pain in the ass as I have helped someone with that paperwork. The claim took almost a year and this person had documented MS for the last 8 years and finally progressed to the point she could no longer work.
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It took my mom 3 weeks and absolutely no medical records. Crazy.
 
TheNextEra said:
From your link:



Meaning that people are not going on disability just because they can't find work.

Also, SSDI is different than Long-term disability. I know first hand getting on SSD is a pain in the ass as I have helped someone with that paperwork. The claim took almost a year and this person had documented MS for the last 8 years and finally progressed to the point she could no longer work.
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It took my youngest brother over 18 months and he even had the VA on his side and used a lawyer. The SS hearing board seems intent on delay.
 
tessaesque said:
It took my mom 3 weeks and absolutely no medical records. Crazy.
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She had to have been examined by someone, they do not approve claims with ZERO medical records from somebody. The person I helped just had to provide the doctors name and they went to her doctor's office and picked up the copies that her doctor made. She had three huge volumes of records as well.

The 3 weeks seems dubious to me as well since it take a week to even get in the system to look to see if they have started processing the claim and it usually takes a month at the quickest to evaluate a claim. The quickest claim I have seen done personally is 3 months and that person was paralyzed.
 
TheNextEra said:
She had to have been examined by someone, they do not approve claims with ZERO medical records from somebody. The person I helped just had to provide the doctors name and they went to her doctor's office and picked up the copies that her doctor made. She had three huge volumes of records as well.

The 3 weeks seems dubious to me as well since it take a week to even get in the system to look to see if they have started processing the claim and it usually takes a month at the quickest to evaluate a claim. The quickest claim I have seen done personally is 3 months and that person was paralyzed.
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If she submitted anything all she'd have had is records from surgery. It's pretty obvious when you meet her that she's mentally incapable of much more than breathing due to the drugs and abuse she's inflicted upon herself.

But yeah, from the day she filed to the day she was approved it was less than a month.
 
tessaesque said:
If she submitted anything all she'd have had is records from surgery. It's pretty obvious when you meet her that she's mentally incapable of much more than breathing due to the drugs and abuse she's inflicted upon herself.

But yeah, from the day she filed to the day she was approved it was less than a month.
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Yeah, they would have used those records and those would definitely be sufficient. In a sad way, she should count herself lucky as they usually are not that quick at all.

Sorry to hear that about your mother.
 
I have a friend who is poor as a church-mouse but she and her life-partner take care of about 25 cats. Their home is spotless and all the cats are in radiant good health after being taken off death row on their last day.

I financed 100% of a house for them and I collect 1% interest on the loan, knowing I'll be dead by the time they can pay the principal.

The lady is disabled. I'm not sure what the problem ius but she can barely walk. She survives on pain meds that others contribute, does not abuse them, and is always cheerful. I told her to apply for disability. She has no money to go to the doctor with so they refused her disability after 6 months and a thousand forms. Why? Because you must be under a Doctors care. Since she can't afford the care, she can't get the disability.

On the other hand, go to Golden Gate part in San Francisco and meet the many junkies who have gotten disability (long before Obama BTW). You'll see just how ****ed up the whole system is.
 
specklebang said:
On the other hand, go to Golden Gate part in San Francisco and meet the many junkies who have gotten disability (long before Obama BTW). You'll see just how ****ed up the whole system is.
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Sorry, but just like others, they would have had to have supporting evidence at some point for their claim. You can't just put on a piece of paper "I can't work" and then get your claim approved.

The part that's ****ed up about the system is that once you get the disability approved there is no re-evaluation process down the road that's done unless someone has extensive proof of abuse against the person with the claim. Even that is hard to prove.

There are lawyers that work pro-bono as well for back claims. They will take a percentage of the back claim, but then she could have disability. It's all in who you talk to.
 
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There can never be enough manpower to fine-tooth comb the applications the way they should be. They just have a rubber stamp wheel of eligibility technicians that rotates somewhat slowly, by design, to prevent floods of newly disabled.

SSDI should be for profound mental and physical defects, not the subjective argument that one "can't" work. And there should be a substance abuse exclusionary criterion.
 
specklebang said:
I have a friend who is poor as a church-mouse but she and her life-partner take care of about 25 cats. Their home is spotless and all the cats are in radiant good health after being taken off death row on their last day.

I financed 100% of a house for them and I collect 1% interest on the loan, knowing I'll be dead by the time they can pay the principal.

The lady is disabled. I'm not sure what the problem ius but she can barely walk. She survives on pain meds that others contribute, does not abuse them, and is always cheerful. I told her to apply for disability. She has no money to go to the doctor with so they refused her disability after 6 months and a thousand forms. Why? Because you must be under a Doctors care. Since she can't afford the care, she can't get the disability.

On the other hand, go to Golden Gate part in San Francisco and meet the many junkies who have gotten disability (long before Obama BTW). You'll see just how ****ed up the whole system is.
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Specklebang: an angel among us. ;)
 
TheNextEra said:
Yeah, they would have used those records and those would definitely be sufficient. In a sad way, she should count herself lucky as they usually are not that quick at all.

Sorry to hear that about your mother.
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No need to be sorry. People make decisions, she just made bad ones.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yeah, they would have used those records and those would definitely be sufficient. In a sad way, she should count herself lucky as they usually are not that quick at all.

Sorry to hear that about your mother.
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Yep, it can take some time. My mother recently got diagnosed with RSD in her foot. I remember from hearing the talk of the progress of everything surrounding it that it was a bit of an ordeal to get on disability. In part because she was in the process of switching between doctors at that time due to realizing the original doctor was constantly trying to cover his own ass. She developed RSD potentially in large part due to the Doctor's office simply declaring her broken foot she previously had came in with as "healed" and had her start doing physical therapy on it for weeks....while it was still broken. Apparently on some other issues (it actually may've been disability) the information the Doctor gave was less than...accurate? honest? not sure how to describe it...but basically was clearly trying to cover a number of things that would possibly put them liable. After she had her files switched to the new doctor and things progressed far better (helps that the new Doc actually studied under one of the top researchers on the condition). I don't doubt there are some cases where it can be somewhat easy, but its definitely not in all cases.
 
The Fox Noise report seems a tad ahhhh what is the word....oh yes bias, imagine that! :cool:

No average number applying, just a comparison to those who got jobs. The usual, gotta tighten it up, crap from Sessions and another 'report' in the books.

Next it didn't take a New York minute for some wag to wander in with the dodging work angle... :roll:

No facts that shed any light, just some pot stirring.

An army vet buddy of mine got a little disability for hearing loss in the artillery- easy peasy.

He threw his back out and a year later is still in limbo. Delaying and losing paperwork seems the routine there. If your damn near brain dead you get the fast track, otherwise the run around is amazing.

The system could use an overhaul. to make it a lot faster, using delay to wait out the patient isn't good for anyone. Sen Sessions need not worry, who can wait a year with no income but someone who can't work?
 
At my suggestion, she did contact a lawyer who told her the same thing. You must get into the system to get feee medical care and in order to get intoi the system you have to buy the medical care to get the free medical care.

Really, this is a mess. There should be a more logical evaluation system. Instead, the system appeals entirely to the professional mooches and not toward the unfortunate. I will encourage her to go on welfare and Medicaid in order to get to the goal of disability. So, much time and money (of the taxpayer) will be wasted in order to get money from - the taxpayer.

I do resent that a substantial number of people are getting a free ride while others suffer.

This has always been a problem and nothing is ever done about it. Indeed, each administration adds to the burden and never takes on the daunting task of correcting it. If the politicians would take a break from enriching themselves and actually address this, we could have a better world where those who DESERVE help get what they need and the free lunchers are forced to work. I won't hold my breath.

TheNextEra said:
Sorry, but just like others, they would have had to have supporting evidence at some point for their claim. You can't just put on a piece of paper "I can't work" and then get your claim approved.

The part that's ****ed up about the system is that once you get the disability approved there is no re-evaluation process down the road that's done unless someone has extensive proof of abuse against the person with the claim. Even that is hard to prove.

There are lawyers that work pro-bono as well for back claims. They will take a percentage of the back claim, but then she could have disability. It's all in who you talk to.
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Remember when Obama promised to "fundamentally transform America"?

Surprise!
 
8 years of Bush and 4 of Obama. Do you think that Romney would change anything? Other than giving himself a tax cut I mean?

Nobody is going to change anything. They are all busy helping themselves to the loot.


Bronson said:
Remember when Obama promised to "fundamentally transform America"?

Surprise!
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specklebang said:
8 years of Bush and 4 of Obama. Do you think that Romney would change anything? Other than giving himself a tax cut I mean?

Nobody is going to change anything. They are all busy helping themselves to the loot.
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Obama has flushed 5 trillion down the toilet in 4 years.

The return on that investment has been 14.9% Real Unemployment. A net loss of jobs. Downgraded credit rating. Pathetic sub 2% GDP growth. Job Growth that can't even keep up with population growth.

All you can do is cover your ears and bleet like a sheep "Bush Bush Bush"
 
clownboy said:
It occurs to me this is an indication folks are doing what they can to survive. Also an opportunity for Mitt. His staff should be rolling this story into an ad that they should be playing 24/7 until the election. They don't even have to comment upon it, just feature the headline over and over again, maybe combine it with Obama quotes about the economy.
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good suggestion, CB.

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The future president of the United States. No, he is not deep in thought .... He is stoned!
 
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