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Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

yeah, slip of the mentellec....mine were about over the top responses by law enforcement that end up getting someone killed for little or no reason....

exactly! im glad you view them that way because thats exactly why they have nothing to do with the current story at hand LMAO
 
who is we?

The objective smart people in this thread that know theres currently no logical, rational, or reality based reason to say the cops were stupid, poorly trained or inept. Objective people are smart enough to realize that at best its a unsupported opinion based on nothing sound. WIth the story as is, they wouldnt dare claim it as fact because they would know its dishonest and it would expose them as intellectually inept to logically be objective on this subject.
 
Does nothing happen to them? Or are they arrested, charged with a crime, investigated, etc?

They are investigated, as these cops will be. The rest is dependent on the investigation.

And for the last time, I already answered your question.

If you did I didnt see it. You quoted my question a few times but you did not answer. If a cop is about to be murdered and noone is there to see it what should he do? Just write an actual answer to that that doesnt involve what this cop did.
 
I know one fact for sure your original statement had broken logic in it

anyway if you want to play games technically that isnt even a fact.

I mean all we have to go on is the word of the cops, remember, maybe they are lying about that too :shrug:

Good point. Maybe he was shot by a sniper from the grassy knoll.

Aliens?

Government conspiracy?

Al queda shot him?

9-11!

I bet it was the Masons
 
I know one fact for sure your original statement had broken logic in it

anyway if you want to play games technically that isnt even a fact.

I mean all we have to go on is the word of the cops, remember, maybe they are lying about that too :shrug:

I don't use broken logic, so my arguments have none. That is nothing more than hyperbole and deflection to dismiss a point
 
They are investigated, as these cops will be. The rest is dependent on the investigation.

And what happens to the normal person. Let me ask you this, the police where originally there because there was reports that a man tried to kill someone with a cinder block. What happened to that guy?

If you did I didnt see it. You quoted my question a few times but you did not answer. If a cop is about to be murdered and noone is there to see it what should he do? Just write an actual answer to that that doesnt involve what this cop did.

I very clearly answered, but if English is giving you trouble I shall do so again, slower this time. He may defend himself, but will be subjected to the same consequences and results as would happen to any ordinary citizen in the same situation.
 
Suicide by cop. Darwinism at work.

Ce' le vie.
 
And what happens to the normal person. Let me ask you this, the police where originally there because there was reports that a man tried to kill someone with a cinder block. What happened to that guy?

We dont know yet. Furthermore you dont just arrest someone without cause. Beating someone with a cinder block with a friend for all we know no reason and a cop shooting someone in self defense are not the same thing. You cannot successfully compare the two so please don't try. An warrant is issued and an arrest is made when there is evidence that a crime as committed. At this point there is no evidence that a crime was committed. The only thing these officers should be subject to at this point is an investigation. That is the same as any other citizen (unless of course jessie jackson demands you be arrested but that is another topic)

I very clearly answered, but if English is giving you trouble I shall do so again, slower this time. He may defend himself, but will be subjected to the same consequences and results as would happen to any ordinary citizen in the same situation.

Which is what happened as far as you know and yet you are condemning the officer in this. You cannot advocate for the same consequences while at the same time demanding a double standard.
 
I don't use broken logic, so my arguments have none. That is nothing more than hyperbole and deflection to dismiss a point

actually you did use broken logic and thats a fact thats why you tried to correct yourself but then I showed how your continued broken logic could still be used against you, no point was dismissed at all.

If you would like me to go back and repost everything thing I one thread I gladly will.

Your original statement had broken logic in it, you tried to corrected and continued to play games with more broken logic so I used it against you.

Nice try though but inaccurate.

want proof?

give me a straight answer to this question.

Currently what are the facts in this case?
 
Suicide by cop. Darwinism at work.

Ce' le vie.

yep, per the info we have so far this is accurate as it gets.

that could change though but it hasnt yet
 
We dont know yet.

We don't know yet? Or he was arrested under assumption of assault and held in prison?

That suspect, 31-year-old Jonathan Brown, was found in a nearby building and arrested, according to the Sheriff's Office. He is being held without bail.

Was the cop arrested? Booked? Held without bail? Or did he get a slap on the wrist for exerting his power under government authority and infringing upon Right to Life of another individual?
 
actually you did use broken logic and thats a fact thats why you tried to correct yourself but then I showed how your continued broken logic could still be used against you, no point was dismissed at all.

If you would like me to go back and repost everything thing I one thread I gladly will.

Your original statement had broken logic in it, you tried to corrected and continued to play games with more broken logic so I used it against you.

Nice try though but inaccurate.

want proof?

give me a straight answer to this question.

Currently what are the facts in this case?

Well I'm sure if I used broken logic, you could certainly provide such evidence, yes?
 
We don't know yet? Or he was arrested under assumption of assault and held in prison?



Was the cop arrested? Booked? Held without bail? Or did he get a slap on the wrist for exerting his power under government authority and infringing upon Right to Life of another individual?

The difference there is evidence of a crime being committed in one scenario and no evidence in the other. Do you really not understand the difference?
 
We don't know yet? Or he was arrested under assumption of assault and held in prison?



Was the cop arrested? Booked? Held without bail? Or did he get a slap on the wrist for exerting his power under government authority and infringing upon Right to Life of another individual?

Better yet, show me the evidence that a crime was committed by this officer. Enough evidence to justify an arrest. Or do you believe people should be arrested without evidence?
 
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Well I'm sure if I used broken logic, you could certainly provide such evidence, yes?

WOW!!!!!

actually YES

isnt that what that post just said LMAO

I even asked you if you wanted proof and then asked you a questions LMAO

now please answer the question.

Currently what are the facts of this case?
 
The difference there is evidence of a crime being committed in one scenario and no evidence in the other. Do you really not understand the difference?

Hmmm, ok. So there is "evidence" there and that excuses the arrest wherein a cop commits a possible crime, and there is nothing.

How many cops get arrested for crimes they commit? Or would it be your claim that no cop commits crime?

The real difference is government vs. individual, BTW. Individual is unrestricted and State must prove against. Government is restricted and can only operate under specific methods and many times only with permission of other branches of government. As such, a cop acting improperly is 100's of times worse than an individual acting improperly as the police officer abuses the power and sovereignty of the People in the act of their crime wherein the individual abuses only their personal liberty. Which is not to say they cannot infringe upon the rights of others, but in doing so they have abused the freedom they enjoy but not the power and sovereignty of the People on whole.
 
WOW!!!!!

actually YES

isnt that what that post just said LMAO

I even asked you if you wanted proof and then asked you a questions LMAO

now please answer the question.

Currently what are the facts of this case?

....so you could certainly provide such evidence, yes? How about doing so?
 
Dodge of question: 3

So....you cannot show evidence of my "faulty logic"? It's already written down, yes? I've already committed it, yes? It requires no further input. Can you demonstrate my faulty logic? Or were you making absurd claims based on planned future posts?
 
Hmmm, ok. So there is "evidence" there and that excuses the arrest wherein a cop commits a possible crime, and there is nothing.

This statement does not make sense.

Instance 1: A man and a friend attempt to beat a man to death with a cinderblock for no justifiable reason that we aware of. There are witnesses who corraborate the assault including the victim himself. The suspect in the case had fled from police and given no statement that is contradictory or any attempt to justify his behavior.

Instance 2: A man shot a man who was attempting to kill him and others. He shot the man in self defense and witnesses can back his claim of self defense. This man gave his statement and is no flight risk.

One of these scenarios has evidence that a crime was committed. One of them does not. See if you can determine which is which. The difference between them is not that one is a cop vs a civilian. the difference is evidence of a crime vs no evidence of a crime.

Furthermore you are ducking my question too. Should people be subjected to arrest and imprisonment if there is no evidence that they committed a crime?
 
So....you cannot show evidence of my "faulty logic"? It's already written down, yes? I've already committed it, yes? It requires no further input. Can you demonstrate my faulty logic? Or were you making absurd claims based on planned future posts?

He is asking you if you know of and can post the actual facts of the case. He has asked you 3 or 4 times. Like you are doing with questions I ask you, you are purposefully choosing not to answer them and instead are doing nothing more than quoting the text and then addressing things that arent being asked then pretending that by simply quoting text you answered the questions. Doesnt work that way.
 
Should people be subjected to arrest and imprisonment if there is no evidence that they committed a crime?

Nope, and that goes for a lot of things, from domestic abuse to sexual abuse. A man was shot. That we know. The people and his friends claim it is justified, that we know too.

Let me ask you this. Say some gang banger punk is at the scene of a crime, him and his gang banger friends see a dude and they shoot him dead. Dead dude had a gun. Cops show up. Gang banger kid says "yeah I shot him, but he pointed his gun at me", his gang banger friends say "yeah, he shot him, but the other dude was pointing a gun". What happens?
 
He is asking you if you know of and can post the actual facts of the case. He has asked you 3 or 4 times. Like you are doing with questions I ask you, you are purposefully choosing not to answer them and instead are doing nothing more than quoting the text and then addressing things that arent being asked then pretending that by simply quoting text you answered the questions. Doesnt work that way.

No, he said I have used faulty logic. I asked him to demonstrate such, and that has been forever dodged to this point. That's all.
 
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