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Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

Taylor said:
Common sense. First, there are very few people in this world who would kill someone simply for knocking on the door at 2AM. I'm guessing that most of those people have a few screws loose and violent criminal records by the time they're 28. Second, if your intention is to shoot someone, you don't open the door a few inches and wave the muzzle of the gun around. That's the sort of thing you do when you want to scare someone away.
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Common sense tell me someone that opens their door and points a gun at people for no real reason isnt to bright and is the person with a few screws loose. I can say I dont know anybody that would do with this guy did LOL

also where the hell does that second part come in at, where you there hiding? how do you know that happened and where the guy was.

nobody normal does what this genius did.
 
Objective-J said:
yet it happens every day and the vast majority of people dont open their door point guns at people LMAO

no matter how much people try to spin this it wont, unless more info comes out

Its common to look for a suspect by knocking on doors, time dont matter, whether the suspect is there doesnt matter, whether they have thier guns drawn because this suspect might be dangerous doesn't matter, its still COMMON and NORMAL

its NOT common to open the door without asking who it is and simply point a gun at the person(s) on the outside.

So being objective and per the story, these cops arent at fault
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So what were the officers going to do if the resident didn't answer the door?
 
Lokiate said:
I don't know, 1:30 in the morning, unexpected visitors? I don't know anything about that area, but where I live, you'd be stupid to answer the door under those circumstances without a weapon in hand. The cops here know it too.
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I cant disagree with you....but what about asking who is it...how about not opening the door until you know whos there....how about cracking the door with gun in hand...how about answering the door without the gun pointed at anyone....I said in an earlier post something isnt right with this...there seems to be pieces missing that arent allowing us to see the whole picture...
 
johnny_rebson said:
So what were the officers going to do if the resident didn't answer the door?
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uhm I dont know but logically my GUESS would be nothing. What could they do? they didnt have a warrant they were doing a door knock searching for a prep. Their option would be limited, stake out the place, knock on another door or get a warrant and that warrant wouldn't be for that house.

WHats your GUESS on what they would do?
 
Objective-J said:
they dont have to announce themselves just because they are knocking nor do they need a warrant to knock

and in somecases sometimes they specifically do not announce themselves so the perp doesnt run out the back, hide/destroy evidence, shoot at the door etc etc
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If they were going to surround the building, they would have brought more than two deputies. Unless the deputies had guns drawn when the door was open, they have been trained to loudly command, "POLICE, DROP THE WEAPON" while in the process of drawing their own guns. The fact that they didn't leads me to believe guns were already drawn when they knocked, and police protocol (where I worked) is that if officers are going to a house requiring a guns-drawn situation, you bring enough officers to surround and control, and because your gun is drawn, you MUST announce yourselves as law enforcement. This didn't happen here. The deputies screwed up, and a man is dead... the wrong man.
 
Objective-J said:
Common sense tell me someone that opens their door and points a gun at people for no real reason isnt to bright and is the person with a few screws loose. I can say I dont know anybody that would do with this guy did LOL

also where the hell does that second part come in at, where you there hiding? how do you know that happened and where the guy was.

nobody normal does what this genius did.
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he might not have been normal, but the cops certainly weren't good at their jobs either...
 
DiAnna said:
If they were going to surround the building, they would have brought more than two deputies.
what are you talking about surround the building who mentioned that LMAO? Unless the deputies had guns drawn when the door was open, they have been trained to loudly command, "POLICE, DROP THE WEAPON" while in the process of drawing their own guns. 100% wrong, they do not have to do that when they believe their lives are in danger LOL NOR does the info we have say they did NOT do that its an assumption by you this is The fact that they didn't leads me to believe guns were already drawn when they knocked, and police protocol (where I worked) is that if officers are going to a house requiring a guns-drawn situation, you bring enough officers to surround and control, MORE BS, lmao this is also not true or required and because your gun is drawn, you MUST announce yourselves as law enforcement. This didn't happen here. more BS this is also not required The deputies screwed up, and a man is dead... the wrong man.
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LMAO more fantasy

ill stick with facts and what we know so far

deputies didnt screw up
a man is dead
the right man is dead because he is the stupid one that pointed his gun at people outside his door
 
UtahBill said:
he might not have been normal, but the cops certainly weren't good at their jobs either...
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by the story we have, he definitely wasnt normal

by the story we have theres nothing that implies its a fact they werent good at their jobs, in fact since they survive an encounter with someone pointing a gun at them Id say at best we can say they are at least at par
 
Objective-J said:
LMAO more fantasy

ill stick with facts and what we know so far

deputies didnt screw up
a man is dead
the right man is dead because he is the stupid one that pointed his gun at people outside his door
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Why are two officers trying to arrest a murderer? Isn't that when they call for back-up? My common sense tells me that everything Dianna posted is pretty much on target.

If you're not a LEO, your opinion's as good as the rest of ours. Just sayin'...l ;)
 
Innocent until proven guilty should only apply to civilians. For officers of the law, it should be guilty until proven innocent with the burden of proof firmly on the government. They should be recorded every second they are on the clock and that information should be publicly available.

These cops need to convince us why they should be charged with manslaughter instead of murder.
 
lpast said:
I cant disagree with you....but what about asking who is it...how about not opening the door until you know whos there....how about cracking the door with gun in hand...
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Sometimes that's risky too. I remember a while back where some guy got shot through his door at another complex in this town. Personally, if I'm not expecting the knock at the door, I won't answer it. I can't speak for this guy, but those circumstances would instantly put me on edge. Different people react to things differently, and few people can run on all cylinders after they're woken up in the middle of the night.

how about answering the door without the gun pointed at anyone....I said in an earlier post something isnt right with this...there seems to be pieces missing that arent allowing us to see the whole picture...
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That's one of the things that doesn't add up with me abut this story, and I don't believe it went down like they said. The deputies claim he opened the door with the firearm pointed at them. Now, I've had cops come to serve a warrant before. First, it's always been like 5-8 police officers, and that was just for a for non-violent offense. Second, they never had their weapons drawn. Just the one officer holding up the warrant at the peep hole, announcing their presence, who they are, and why they were there. The other officers behind him had their hands placed on their weapons when I opened the door, but the weapons weren't unholstered. I don't know if police protocol is different in that area, but even Cali cops keep their pistol holstered unless a person is openly showing that they are hostile, and an immediate threat to others.
 
I guess the only witnesses are the killer and the two cops that were with him at the time. That's convenient.
 
Objective-J said:
LMAO more fantasy

ill stick with facts and what we know so far

deputies didnt screw up
a man is dead
the right man is dead because he is the stupid one that pointed his gun at people outside his door
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and you will hold that opinion tight in your head until someone you love is killed in the same way?
 
Objective-J said:
Common sense tell me someone that opens their door and points a gun at people for no real reason isnt to bright and is the person with a few screws loose. I can say I dont know anybody that would do with this guy did LOL

also where the hell does that second part come in at, where you there hiding? how do you know that happened and where the guy was.

nobody normal does what this genius did.
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you were there? no, none of us were...but the version being told smells to high heaven. The dead man was killed for doing something stupid in front of armed men with improper training.

being stupid usually isn't a felony and even then doesn't carry the death penalty.

And if anyone think cops don't lie.....they have a lot to learn.
 
Objective-J said:
uhm I dont know but logically my GUESS would be nothing. What could they do? they didnt have a warrant they were doing a door knock searching for a prep. Their option would be limited, stake out the place, knock on another door or get a warrant and that warrant wouldn't be for that house.

WHats your GUESS on what they would do?
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have you entirely missed the fact that this occurred at 1:30AM? Nothing in the reports so far indicate that there was eminent danger to the community, except for the obvious fact that the LEO need to be trained properly before letting them carry guns.
 
MaggieD said:
Why are two officers trying to arrest a murderer? Isn't that when they call for back-up? My common sense tells me that everything Dianna posted is pretty much on target.

If you're not a LEO, your opinion's as good as the rest of ours. Just sayin'...l ;)
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Why wouldnt two officers arrest a murder?
ONE came to my house that was looking for a rapist who TRIED to murder his victium but failed

and I agree unless I was a LEO with FACTS my opinon is just as good but the HUGE difference is that I keep saying that per the facts they didnt mess up and others are GUESSING they did it wrong based on thing made up from the movies and TV. LMAO

People are pushing thier opinions as fact and Im calling BS and or asking the question "says who"

Im sticking to the story at hand and others are rewriting it, see the difference ;)

So "my opinion" is stick with what we know and not makes up stuff and assume stuff.

Im sticking with my original statement because it hasnt even been closed to logically being proved wrong.

Per the info at hand the officers did nothing wrong and the guy was at fault.

There are no facts in the article to counter that statement, that COULD change though if more details come out. :shrug:
 
ChunkySalsa said:
Innocent until proven guilty should only apply to civilians. For officers of the law, it should be guilty until proven innocent with the burden of proof firmly on the government. They should be recorded every second they are on the clock and that information should be publicly available.

These cops need to convince us why they should be charged with manslaughter instead of murder.
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currently has it stands they shouldnt be charged with anything :shrug: no grounds to charge them per the facts we currently have
 
I know I'm going to get hog-tied and whipped for this, but I also know it's true:

If this victim had been black? We'd have a whole different story going on. Sorry, but I can't help noting the complete and total disparity.
 
UtahBill said:
and you will hold that opinion tight in your head until someone you love is killed in the same way?
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currently its not an opinion, im going off the facts

if a loved one was killed in the same way nothing would change for me, id want an investigation of course but my first thoughts would still be why did that idiot not ask who it is and point a gun at whoever was on the other side for no legit reason, thats stupid and I would feel my loved one did something that got themselves killed.

nice try though

again, if other details come out that could EASILY change but per the story and current facts, cops aernt at fault and that guy did something stupid that got himself killed.
 
Objective-J said:
Why wouldnt two officers arrest a murder?
ONE came to my house that was looking for a rapist who TRIED to murder his victium but failed

and I agree unless I was a LEO with FACTS my opinon is just as good but the HUGE difference is that I keep saying that per the facts they didnt mess up and others are GUESSING they did it wrong based on thing made up from the movies and TV. LMAO

People are pushing thier opinions as fact and Im calling BS and or asking the question "says who"

Im sticking to the story at hand and others are rewriting it, see the difference ;)

So "my opinion" is stick with what we know and not makes up stuff and assume stuff.

Im sticking with my original statement because it hasnt even been closed to logically being proved wrong.

Per the info at hand the officers did nothing wrong and the guy was at fault.

There are no facts in the article to counter that statement, that COULD change though if more details come out. :shrug:
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Well, I can't help but notice the similarity to the GZ story. One? We are to take the perpetrators at face value. The other? We're to rip the perpetrator to shreds. I'm just sayin'...

The details of this investigation will probably never be made public. They should be. Coppers should be held to a higher standard of conduct than regular ole' me. I'd like to see public hearings any time a copper discharges his firearm and injures someone. Look at the information that's been realized in the GZ case. Think we'll see that kind of transparency here? I don't.
 
johnny_rebson said:
A cop's job is hard enough, and now you expect them to get the address right?
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Am I the only person who read the article? The cops did not get the address wrong. The police were actively looking for this person and did not know where to find him. He was not residing at that address. He was known to drive a motorcycle and they found the motorcycle parked in front of this address. Seeing his vehicle parked there they went and knocked on the door. That is not a mistaken address. They went to the correct address and he just happened to not be there. They had a very valid reason for knocking on that door.
 
muciti said:
Am I the only person who read the article? The cops did not get the address wrong. The police were actively looking for this person and did not know where to find him. He was not residing at that address. He was known to drive a motorcycle and they found the motorcycle parked in front of this address. Seeing his vehicle parked there they went and knocked on the door. That is not a mistaken address. They went to the correct address and he just happened to not be there. They had a very valid reason for knocking on that door.
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at 1;30 in the morning? NO.....
 
Objective-J said:
currently has it stands they shouldnt be charged with anything :shrug: no grounds to charge them per the facts we currently have
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What? You can knock on a door in the middle of the night and, IF the person inside is armed, then you may execute them? May all citizens now do this or only LEOs? I have yet to see "evidence" that ANY aggressive action was taken by this person in their own appartment. The ONLY explanation, for the on the spot execution, was that a "suspicious" motorcycle was parked near that apartment and that a gun was seen. Seeing a person in their own home with a gun is NOT a crime. Simply believing that a threat exists, because you "see a gun" does NOT make that into "reasonable" cause for execution.
 
UtahBill said:
you were there? no, none of us were...but the version being told smells to high heaven. The dead man was killed for doing something stupid in front of armed men with improper training.

being stupid usually isn't a felony and even then doesn't carry the death penalty.

And if anyone think cops don't lie.....they have a lot to learn.
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who said I was there, im going by the story while a few of you conspiracy theorist are simply making stuff up and pushing your opinions as fact.

If you think it smells funny, im fine with that, say that, say its you OPINION something may seem off

as soon as you say "improper training" there no facts to support that, you are guessing based on nothing :shrug:
Maybe you are right but no info we have supports it, so I will continue to point it out as a total guess

next in your post is meaningless filler, hyperbole and bias rhetoric to try and sell you unsupported opinion.

who said "being stupid usually is a felony and is punishable by death" thats right nobody LMAO nor is that what happened here

who said "cops dont lie" thats right, again NOBODY, just a meaningless irrelevant point

currently the the facts say the man got himself killed for pointing a gun at police officers for no apparent legitimate reason which was stupid.

If that changes let me know
 
muciti said:
Am I the only person who read the article? The cops did not get the address wrong. The police were actively looking for this person and did not know where to find him. He was not residing at that address. He was known to drive a motorcycle and they found the motorcycle parked in front of this address. Seeing his vehicle parked there they went and knocked on the door. That is not a mistaken address. They went to the correct address and he just happened to not be there. They had a very valid reason for knocking on that door.
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Well that settles it, everyone knows that parking in an apartment complex is totally reliable.
 
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