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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Unfunded mandates are taxes too. Requiring that employers PAY MORE FOR medical care insurance for their employess is a TAX, just by another name - an unfunded mandate. Requiring all coal fired electrical generation plants to meet IMPOSSIBLE environmental standards is the same as a 100% tax, since it shuts them down. By simply mandating that a "private" business meet a gov't standard has exactly the same effect as a direct tax, it simply leaves the gov't out as the middle man, but it is a gov't mandated COST to the business just the same. You may PRETEND that requiring a car to get at least 35mpg has "no cost", yet we ALL know better than that.

I just looked at our employer contributes to health care, and they agree that they are not paying more. However, we can eliminate this easily enough. UHC removes it from business altogether.
 
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Nope, they didn't lie. Tax cuts DO create jobs. Wanna know what stifles that? An administration that is outright saying they are going to raise taxes on ONE SECT of the American people. Here's there idiotic problem. The vast majority of small business owners file taxes as INDIVIDUALS. Therefore, if you raise taxes on INDIVIDUALS earning more than 200k a year, you are effectively raising taxes on the strongest job creators in our economy.
Reagan raised taxes ... Jobs were created. Bush senior raised taxes ... jobs were created. Clinton raised taxes ... jobs were created.

Not establishing cause and effect between the two -- just pointing out the absurdity that raising taxes stifles job growth.

Wanna know what else stifles jobs? Obamacare. Go talk to a business owner sometime. They have no idea how it's going to effect them financially. Therefore, they are just WAITING.
Ummm, we've had about 4½ million jobs added in the private sector over the last 2½ years. It's public sector jobs which have suffered the most. That's hardly an indication that "Obamacare" is stifling job growth.

Get real. Your tax argument is easily overcome. Because while it's true we have a 44 year low on INCOME TAX RATES, we have an all-time high in regulations, coinciding with a government hell bent on raising taxes on America's biggest job creators....small businesses.
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act cut regulations ... how'd that turn out?
 
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Obama was pretty clear about his disdain for people who create successful businesses in the USA when he made these comments. Anyone who isn’t a political hack knows this when they watch the entire speech.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Obama was pretty clear about his disdain for people who create successful businesses in the USA when he made these comments. Anyone who isn’t a political hack knows this when they watch the entire speech.

Only in wild eyed partisan land. :coffeepap
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Obama was pretty clear about his disdain for people who create successful businesses in the USA when he made these comments. Anyone who isn’t a political hack knows this when they watch the entire speech.

Notice the fact checking:

Mitt Romney and his allies have attacked President Barack Obama — often out of context — for saying, “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

FactCheck.org : ‘You Didn’t Build That,’ Uncut and Unedited

In speeches and videos, the Romney campaign has repeatedly distorted Obama's words. By plucking two sentences out of context, Romney twists the president's remarks and ignores their real meaning.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...g-mitt-romneys-attacks-you-didnt-build-truth/

But instead, by focusing on one ill-phrased sentence, Romney and his campaign have decided to pretend that Obama is talking about something different — and then further extrapolated it so that it becomes ridiculous. That’s not very original at all.


Three Pinocchios

An unoriginal Obama quote--taken out of context - The Washington Post

Now the question for you is are you at all concerned with honesty?



Here is his thesis: "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
 
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Sure, imo, some people are blowing this comment up a bit.

But nevertheless, it is becoming more and more obvious that Barack Obama is a huge fan of BIG government and not a big fan of free market economics.

Not good.
 
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Reagan raised taxes ... Jobs were created. Bush senior raised taxes ... jobs were created. Clinton raised taxes ... jobs were created.

Not establishing cause and effect between the two -- just pointing out the absurdity that raising taxes stifles job growth.


Ummm, we've had about 4½ million jobs added in the private sector over the last 2½ years. It's public sector jobs which have suffered the most. That's hardly an indication that "Obamacare" is stifling job growth.


The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act cut regulations ... how'd that turn out?

lol....4.5 million jobs created in the private sector eh? That's not enough to keep up with the rate people are entering the workforce age. I would like to see how the admin comes up with 4.5 million new jobs anyway. I call BS on that number.

The public sector is suffering? lol...man, you really are a liberal arent you? Do you realize that public sector jobs are funded because of private sector taxation? You do realize that right? We are talking about economic expansion here. So, tell me, if the public sector pays higher than the private sector, on average, which it does for the first time ever, how long do you think that is sustainable? Before a teacher gets paid, or a cop, or a fireman, or a politician, or the post office worker, the government must FIRST extract money out of the private sector in order to pay for it! You do get that don't you? You liberals say you are so worried about creating jobs, but you cant think rationally about what kind of jobs we need to be creating. To liberals, a government job is just as good for the economy as a private sector job. And that's 100% incorrect. For every government job created, 2 private sector jobs have to be created in order to fund that government job.

Are you any good at math? Do you know where teacher's salaries come from? Because schools don't earn profits to pay their own teachers. WE pay for them through private sector jobs that yield profits, that are then taxed and collected and paid out to teachers, cops, firemen, politicians, and under this administration, corporations that end up going bankrupt 3 months later.

Notice you didn't even attempt to address the issue of burdensome regulation, and how it has the exact same effect on a business as a new tax. Don't bother with the real issues, just continue to throw out some numbers that you think mean something. 4.5 million jobs you say. Let me give you the real statistic. There are fewer people working today than there were 3 years ago. The labor force has shrunk. So there is still a NET LOSS of jobs under Obama. The economy needs to create upwards of 280,000 jobs per month, just to lower the unemployment number. Unemployment ticks up from 8.2% to 8.3%, and you have the nerve to tout job creation under Obama???? Give me a freakin break. And his Marxist wet dream is just to create PUBLIC SECTOR jobs. But only a clear thinking person realizes that government jobs aren't the answer, because government jobs are paid for by private sector jobs. Liberals always have it backwards when it comes to economic issues.

Liberals say they don't believe in trickle down economics, but they place government atop the economy as if wealth is going to trickle down from government, or from some government program. A government that lies to them by saying it's time to try some trickle up economics. Look at what we spend on entitlements in this country. Is it elevating people from poverty? No, there are actually MORE people in poverty under Obama, despite increases in entitlement spending. It's pretty simple really, YOU CAN'T GET RICH ON WELFARE, OR UNEMPLOYMENT. But that's the main focus of liberals, government programs that assist people. Wanna assist someone? Stop hating on private sector businesses that produce record profits, and let them employ someone. Stop making it hard on the wealth producers.

I don't expect anyone one of you liberals to understand this. If government is so freakin great, give up your private sector jobs and go work for Obama. But I tell ya, any sane person knows that they can make far more money for themselves than the government can. Problem is, we have too many people in this country that think the government should guarantee them a certain income. They've been conditioned to think like a Socialist. Class warfare, rage against the 1%, break the banks, break the corporations, boycott the rich, make them pay their fair share, bust wall street, tax the rich, pay for my college education, pay for my house, pay for my food. Ya, that kind of mentality is really going to encourage economic growth isn't it?
 
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Some more "That's".... You, big business, didn't build.


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Don't get me wrong, private industry is engine that runs this country. But the Federal Government is the battery and taxes are the alternator.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Some more "That's".... You, big business, didn't build.

Don't get me wrong, private industry is engine that runs this country. But the Federal Government is the battery and taxes are the alternator.

Personally, I'd say the Federal Givernment is more like the speed limit signs.

And in the last decade or so, they have been 40 m.p.h. signs on interstates - slowing everything up.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

The most important "You didn't build that."

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The New Hampshire Union Leader’s John DiStato today reports that in 1999 the business in question, Gilchrist Metal, “received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds issued by the New Hampshire Business Finance Authority ‘to set up a second manufacturing plant and purchase equipment to produce high definition television broadcasting equipment’…” In addition, in 2011, Gilchrist Metal “received two U.S. Navy sub-contracts totaling about $83,000 and a smaller, $5,600 Coast Guard contract in 2008…”

LINK

How does it feel for this guy to be caught in a double lie? He's featured lying (by omission) in an ad based on a lie.
 
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Don't get me wrong, private industry is engine that runs this country. But the Federal Government is the battery and taxes are the alternator.[/QUOTE]

Poor analogy. Batteries are what "start" a car. Government doesn't "start" a private business, and taxes don't keep businesses going. Well, unless you're a green energy company, and then that only lasts so long.

Look, what liberals like Obama despise, is the simple fact that Americans are capable of becoming far more successful the LESS government we have instead of MORE government. Liberals like Obama want everything to be regulated from the federal level, because they are Progressives, who believe that they can bring about "fundamental change" to a country they see as having been "unfair" to certain sectors of society. It's called social engineering. And how can they change anything unless they first control everything?

Personally, I kinda like that a person can make as much money as they want in this country. I also like the fact that I can own guns. I also like the fact that I can live pretty much the lifestyle I want to live. I like the fact that if I don't want to buy something, I don't have to. I like the fact that I'm free to help the poor if I so choose. I like having the ability to object to certain social view points if I want to. In other words, I like America just fine, I don't see a need to "fundamentally transform" this country into anything other than what it is and has always been.

On the other hand, the progressive left, like the Obama types, view America completely different. They believe America and free market capitalism is and has been fundamentally unfair to people. They believe that it disproportionatly rewards the wealthy. While the wealthy can do very very well in America, so can anyone else. There's nothing fundamental about our nation that is prohibiting me from making a billion dollars. I mean, if I had founded Facebook instead of numb nuts, I would be a billionaire, and not him. That same opportunity exists for each of us, Mark Zuckerberg just happened to think of it and I didn't. The same opportunities exist for all of us here in America. Some discover them, and some don't. But it certainly isn't Zuckerberg's fault that I'm not wealthy, and it's not the government's fault either.

The CEO of Apple makes a lot more money than I do. But why shouldn't he? I wouldn't know the first thing about being the top executive and decision maker for a huge corporation. You think men of that talent should earn as much money as a WalMart checkout teen? You think that would benefit our economy and society? To marginalize talent? This nation was built on individual talent, and liberalism seeks to marginalize individual talent every opportunity it gets. Just like this comment from Obama. I'm not taking him out of context one bit. He's marginalizing people's intelligence and hard work. He mentions those things SPECIFICALLY in this little gaffe of his. He's marginalizing exceptionalism. If you don't see that, you're flat out white washed with ignorance. He marginalized hard working entreprenuers that certainly did build their businesses. I don't care what liberals claim he was "trying to say". I concede what he was "trying" to say. It's the manner in which he said it. He was condescending, and he was marginalizing the individual as the primary reason for one's success.

Obama is right. People like me have a fundamentally different way we see the world. I believe that the individual is the MOST influential and important part of one's success or failure. I believe individuals are creators, not bureaucracies. The world's finest inventions and ideas have come from individual accomplishment, not government sponsored programs. No matter how good a teacher is, the individual must be willing to be taught. No matter how well the road is constructed, the individual must have a need to use it. No matter how effective a government is, the individual must pay taxes to fund it. No matter how awesome the bridge is, the individual must have a need to cross it. It is the INDIVIDUAL which drives the world. In order to have a functioning society, the individual must agree to participate within that society.

Progressive liberalism is the antithesis of individualism. I urge you to study the philosophy behind "collectivism". Obama espouses the philosophies of "collectivism". Read his books, study Black Liberation Theology (which is what he claims brought him to Christianity under Jeremiah Wright). He's not a capitalist. He's a former community organizer from the south side of Chicago. That's Saul Alinsky territory. He's a collectivist, and a statist. He is a big government control Progressive. He believes that government incites societal change via mandate and executive order. He is gently PUSHING you into his style of governance, and it's not free market capitalistic, "america as we know it" kind of governance. It's more of a Marxist, European style of collectivism, class warfare, where the government tries to regulate and control virtually all facets of a society, most importantly, the economy.

Do liberals even know what I'm talking about?
 
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Sure, imo, some people are blowing this comment up a bit.

But nevertheless,
it is becoming more and more obvious that Barack Obama is a huge fan of BIG government and not a big fan of free market economics.
Not good.
The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama is a huge fan of big government? It fits, doesn't it?
 
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Personally, I'd say the Federal Givernment is more like the speed limit signs.

And in the last decade or so, they have been 40 m.p.h. signs on interstates - slowing everything up.
Speed bumps have turned into huge, concrete obstacles.

We need to get the Marxist out of Washington D.C and send him packing. We need to boot his enablers as well.
 
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I didn't read through 1400 replies but I wonder if anyone ever thought about that Obama is wrong on this because he says that companies didn't build their businesses, gov't did because of roads. Anyone stop to think where the gov't got its money to build the roads? Oh thats right, from businesses. So yea, businesses paid for their own damn roads, through the gov't.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Some more "That's".... You, big business, didn't build.


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Don't get me wrong, private industry is engine that runs this country. But the Federal Government is the battery and taxes are the alternator.

And, where do the taxes come from? :rofl
 
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And, where do the taxes come from? :rofl

Citzens. Nearly all of which pay some sort of tax.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Citzens. Nearly all of which pay some sort of tax.

And who creates businesses? The gov't or these tax-paying citizens?
 
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And who creates businesses? The gov't or these tax-paying citizens?

Creates? Individuals. But we also do things together, just as Obama said, and these things also help business (help versus create-- two very different words with two very different meanings and aplications).
 
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Citzens. Nearly all of which pay some sort of tax.

Yes!

THEY built THAT -- Government just provided the organization and logistics--invested the revenue, sold the bonds etc.
 
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lol....4.5 million jobs created in the private sector eh? That's not enough to keep up with the rate people are entering the workforce age.
Not sure how many jobs you think need to be generated each month to keep up with population growth, but the number is about 150,000. 4½ million jobs over the last 2½ years equals 150,000 jobs per month and that is enough to keep up with population growth.

I would like to see how the admin comes up with 4.5 million new jobs anyway. I call BS on that number.
I don't know how they came up with that number, but the private sector has grown by 4½ million jobs over the last 2½ years ...

01/10: 106,800,000
07/12: 111,317,000

BLS: Private Sector

The public sector is suffering? lol...man, you really are a liberal arent you?
Yes, I am Liberal and yes, the public sector is suffering. While the private sector has gained 4½ million jobs over the last 2½ years, the public sector has lost 551,000 over that same period of time.

Notice you didn't even attempt to address the issue of burdensome regulation, and how it has the exact same effect on a business as a new tax.
I posted, "The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act cut regulations ... how'd that turn out?." I don't know how you missed that?

Let me give you the real statistic. There are fewer people working today than there were 3 years ago. The labor force has shrunk. So there is still a NET LOSS of jobs under Obama.
That's not a "real statistic," it's one you just made up. :doh

07/2009: 154,538,000
07/2012: 155,013,000

BLS: Labor Force

Despite your made up "real statistics," the labor force has not shrunk and there are more people working today than there were 3 years ago. Perhaps you are confusing with the labor force with the participation rate?

Unemployment ticks up from 8.2% to 8.3%, and you have the nerve to tout job creation under Obama???? Give me a freakin break.
I bet you don't even know that the unemployment rate has increased less under Obama than every Republican president on record except for Reagan for the first 42 months in office respectively...


GHW Bush +2.3 +43%
Nixon +2.2 +65%
Ford** +2.0 +36%
Eisenhower +1.5 +52%
Bush +1.3 +31%
Obama +0.5 +6%
Carter +0.3 +4%
Reagan 0.0 +0%
Kennedy* -1.2 -14%
Clinton -1.8 -25%
Johnson -1.9 -33%

* = Kennedy was in office 34 months

** = Ford was in office 29 months


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


... and that is factoring in that Obama inherited the worst economy that any president inherited except for FDR.

And his Marxist wet dream is just to create PUBLIC SECTOR jobs.
More made up "real statistics." The private sector has gained jobs under his administration while the public sector has lost jobs.

Liberals say they don't believe in trickle down economics, but they place government atop the economy as if wealth is going to trickle down from government, or from some government program.
No, Liberals do not place government atop the economy as if wealth is going to trickle down. You haven't gotten anything right in your post and this trend continues with this nonsense of yours. Nobody expects to get wealthy from the government; but Liberals do rely on the government to protect workers from companies that would treat their employees the way companies in China treat theirs, if they could.

The rest of your post is just more Conservative delusions.
 
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Citzens. Nearly all of which pay some sort of tax.

Right! Not the government.

Bottom line? The government can't do jack **** without the private sector.
 
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Creates? Individuals. But we also do things together, just as Obama said, and these things also help business (help versus create-- two very different words with two very different meanings and aplications).

That's not what Obama said. :rofl

Government is the oil for the cogs of the private sector, but without the private sector, government wouldn't have any oil in it's drip can.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

That's not what Obama said. :rofl

Government is the oil for the cogs of the private sector, but without the private sector, government wouldn't have any oil in it's drip can.

NO, it is specifically what he said. From his speech: The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. You'd be hard pressed to show me where that si different than what I said he said. (also, see any fact check on this).

That you and others got it wrong is not my fault. :coffeepap
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

NO, it is specifically what he said. From his speech: The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. You'd be hard pressed to show me where that si different than what I said he said. (also, see any fact check on this).

That you and others got it wrong is not my fault. :coffeepap
We understand that you have the talking points. We have heard them. They are a lie. He is doing what statists always do. Statists denigrate sacrifice, initiative and success unless it occurs on behalf of the state.

The one term Marxist is just preparing to try to take even more from the makers. He will continue to be very dangerous to the nation for just a few more months.
 
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