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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

I'm not a republican and could never dream myself as one when their is such vermin in their ranks that support what is their foundation of the platform. They are nothing like me, and like Obama I would have to refuse to go to the table when basic restraints are breached.


So, you are part of the problem. We don't accomplish when paralyzed by ideology.
 
So, you are part of the problem. We don't accomplish when paralyzed by ideology.

We don't act when paralyzed. If the acts that would happen when not paralyzed are actually destructive, paralysis by ideology is preferable.
 
We don't act when paralyzed. If the acts that would happen when not paralyzed are actually destructive, paralysis by ideology is preferable.

Then argue to make them not destructive. I'm not convinced many here who argue for nonaction know what is and isn't destructive. But, elected officials have an obligation to participate and not pout.
 
From my seat, you're the one lacking in understanding.

The Declaration of Independence states,
"... they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men"

The main purpose of healthcare is to preserve life and the government is instituted to secure these rights.

Your claim could just as easily be made about the military and how it is a service provided by others, yet it too is to preserve our unalienable rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence and secured by the government.

More ignorance..

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" does not imply that healthcare is guaranteed, nor paid for by the taxpayer for others who can't afford it. Life in that statement is addressing the right to live without the fear of someone violating your rights. Military acts to protects this purpose in that quote while healthcare does not.
 
So, you are part of the problem. We don't accomplish when paralyzed by ideology.

You act to paralyze, to punish, and to control the people. I have no other course that is acceptable than to not work with you to those ends.
 
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You act to paralyze, to punish, and to control the people. I have no other course that is acceptable than to not work with you to those ends.

Your hyperbole is noted. There is no such effort by anyone, really.
 
Your hyperbole is noted. There is no such effort by anyone, really.

You are joking and it's very funny. The laws on the books under Obama and Bush and over much of the country before and that during that time period tell a story of less privacy, less liberty, and a basic violation of property. Much of it was by people like yourself.
 
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You are joking and it's very funny. The laws on the books under Obama and Bush and over much of the country before and that during that time period tell a story of less privacy, less liberty, and a basic violation of property. Much of it was by people like yourself.

Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense. But I do wish you and yours were on Bush as much Obama. You'd have a little more credence. Just a little.
 
No leader can work with a political party which publicly takes the stated position of blocking every one of said leader's actions,

That is not a reflection on Obama's leadership skills but a reflection on Republican values -- which remain, party before country.


To the best of my knowledge when you say that a political party took a stated position of blocking every one of said leaders actions, that is simply untrue. I do remember the lead senator of the republican party saying something stupid like that, not the entire party including the leader of the house of representatives.

So this wow is me don't blame me because I don't know how to overcome adversity seems to be a Democratic weakness. For Obama it is pat excuse, not sure what it is for his lemmings.
 
From my seat, you're the one lacking in understanding.

The Declaration of Independence states,
"... they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men"

The main purpose of healthcare is to preserve life and the government is instituted to secure these rights.

Your claim could just as easily be made about the military and how it is a service provided by others, yet it too is to preserve our unalienable rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence and secured by the government.

Not sure if you know this but no one is turned away from health care if they need it. That is Obama's key line to sell his mandate.

You need to do a better job of remembering the talking points before writing nonsense on this site.
 
From my seat, you're the one lacking in understanding.

The Declaration of Independence states,
"... they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men"

The main purpose of healthcare is to preserve life and the government is instituted to secure these rights.

Your claim could just as easily be made about the military and how it is a service provided by others, yet it too is to preserve our unalienable rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence and secured by the government.

What? You can not see a difference in the U.S. military, 100% gov't owned and opperated and placing UNFUNDED mandates upon the "private" lives of civilian medical care providers? What if the gov't, instead of issuing SNAP funds, simply said that those with SNAP cards must be GIVEN FREE food from any "private" establishment that they choose to visit? Paying solidiers is FAR different than mandating that they serve without pay or benefits, unless others CHOOSE to pay them. PPACA is an attempt to give some citizens FREE (or greatly subsidized) medical care services that OTHER citizens must pay MORE for. Medical care is not being "reformed" under PPACA, it is simply being subsidized and controlled by federal gov't mandate. Under PPACA a medical care provider may still charge cash or insurance bearing "customers" MORE than the federl gov't offers as payment for the chosen ones, that it pays either some or NONE of the cost of that SAME service. If Medicaid patient is billed $100 and others are billed $200 for the SAME treatment, is that LEGAL, as "equal protection" under the law? Open and honest gov't would require disclosure of ACTUAL billing for all medical care treatment given.
 
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i think obama is the truth, congress wont let him execute his plan to restore the country. republican media is brainwashing the nation, the only thing they do is skew obamas message, republicans are only for them selves and big buisness and look how that has worked out we are still suffering from it and the bush administration and that is the cold hard truth, and if u follow jesus and the good lord u know the truth sets u free and all real people should realize that
 
Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense. But I do wish you and yours were on Bush as much Obama. You'd have a little more credence. Just a little.

I spend my efforts on those in office that did nothing to end the policies but instead add to them and lengthen their stay.
 
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I spend my efforts on those in office that did nothing to end the policies but instead add to them and length their stay.

Perhaps you just lost. It happens. It'll happen again. To all of us. But quiting just makes you a quiter. :shrug:
 
Perhaps you just lost. It happens. It'll happen again. To all of us. But quiting just makes you a quiter. :shrug:

What did I lose? The people come and go and the policies stay long after they leave and die. My focus is the policies themselves and the people that are in office right now. People of yesterday are where they are, but the policies are here right now. I don't spend my time talking of bush any longer as I know the proper order of things and I know my fight is on the policies.
 
i think obama is the truth, congress wont let him execute his plan to restore the country. republican media is brainwashing the nation, the only thing they do is skew obamas message, republicans are only for them selves and big buisness and look how that has worked out we are still suffering from it and the bush administration and that is the cold hard truth, and if u follow jesus and the good lord u know the truth sets u free and all real people should realize that


Obama couldn't "restore the country" even if the Democrats regained control of the House of Representatives.

The nation's unemployment problems are due to manufacturing jobs being sent to China. We could get some of those jobs back......if the unions agree to 30 to 40 percent pay cuts.

Can Obama talk some sense into the union crowd and get them to accept these pay cuts?
 
Obama couldn't "restore the country" even if the Democrats regained control of the House of Representatives.

The nation's unemployment problems are due to manufacturing jobs being sent to China. We could get some of those jobs back......if the unions agree to 30 to 40 percent pay cuts.

Can Obama talk some sense into the union crowd and get them to accept these pay cuts?

You did hit on something. If we'll work for significantly lower wages and remove health care from employment, we could bring some back. How little should we be willing to work for?
 
You did hit on something. If we'll work for significantly lower wages and remove health care from employment, we could bring some back. How little should we be willing to work for?

How much should a wheat farmer sell wheat for?
 
You did hit on something. If we'll work for significantly lower wages and remove health care from employment, we could bring some back. How little should we be willing to work for?

You should work for whatever you can get. Some might have to make sacrifices. There could be an increase in tenement style housing which could accommodate some of these workers.
 
You should work for whatever you can get. Some might have to make sacrifices. There could be an increase in tenement style housing which could accommodate some of these workers.

To a degree that is true. But, if your work doens't feed the family, and those wages won't, there's a problem. And overseas right now are lower than that. A better bet would be to have their salaries raise, or at least put our efforts there.
 
To a degree that is true. But, if your work doens't feed the family, and those wages won't, there's a problem. And overseas right now are lower than that. A better bet would be to have their salaries raise, or at least put our efforts there.

There is a fundamental failure in this train of thought that I doubt you even care about. I wager you don't actually care that the world market actually exists, do you? In fact, I would wager you want to put policies on people so your polices follow them.
 
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I do, and am accused of arguing based on ideology and refusing to compromise.

Surely there is a compromise in there somewhere, a better than what you get without it. It is always posisble that any of us actually don't see the world clearly. Sure, genocide, take a no give in stands. Legislation that works to solve a problem? no. Compromise.
 
To a degree that is true. But, if your work doens't feed the family, and those wages won't, there's a problem. And overseas right now are lower than that.

Well, there is that problem. But just because we wish it were otherwise, it doesn't mean that the labor market is where we think it should be. The days of high-wage manufacturing jobs appear to be over.

A better bet would be to have their salaries raise, or at least put our efforts there.

And how do we do that?
 
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You did hit on something. If we'll work for significantly lower wages and remove health care from employment, we could bring some back. How little should we be willing to work for?

Interesting way to look at it. I always felt it was up to the company to decide what they thought was reasonable pay for a position and it was up to the person to decide if they thought that was their true value. If the two don't match there are choices to be made by both.
 
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