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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

Have you ever heard of the phrase, "Winning isn't everything; its the only thing"? Now, if someone were to say that quote , I could just take the first part, "Winning isn't everything" and say the same thing you're saying now, that they, "did, in fact, say those words". Quoting out of context is a logical fallacy.

This would make sense, if it were being quoted out of context. It's not.
 
....No, they actually build them themselves.

the local deli, didn't pave any roads or build any bridges.

Toys R Us, didn't either.

Neither did Target, Macys, Sears, Bed Bath & Beyond, or Dave & Busters.
 
No, that's politics. I have stated often I wouldn't take any political ad seriously. That you do, well, that reflects you and not me. :coffeepap

where do you get the idea I take anything from the oblama campaign seriously?

that administration is incompetent, dishonest and deceitful
 
the local deli, didn't pave any roads or build any bridges.

Toys R Us, didn't either.

Neither did Target, Macys, Sears, Bed Bath & Beyond, or Dave & Busters.

True, their tax dollars did

but not the bottom 60% who all pay negative net income taxes
 
the local deli, didn't pave any roads or build any bridges.

Toys R Us, didn't either.

Neither did Target, Macys, Sears, Bed Bath & Beyond, or Dave & Busters.

They aren't the only businesses Obama was talking about.
 
where do you get the idea I take anything from the oblama campaign seriously?

that administration is incompetent, dishonest and deceitful

And the Romney cmapaign is different how? :coffeepap
 
Serving as president is not serving in the military. I hope I do not actually have to explain why.

That's idiotic. The office of the President specifically is NOT part of the military; the whole point is that he's a civilian commander.

Clinton tried to claim he was "active duty military" to keep some medical records secret; didn't work for him. Why? He wasn't in the military.

The US military is a volunteer civilian army. The military is comprised of paid civilian volunteers and they don't give up their citizenship to join the military. The military volunteers are obligated to obey the same laws that civilians are and they have almost all the same constitutional rights and protections as civilians. Ending the "don't ask, don't tell policy" helped to re-establish one of those rights.

GI RIGHTS - Legal Demonstration - What Rights Do You Have



Like all presidents as commanders in chief of the military, Clinton qualified as Active Duty Military....

Active Duty Military

"Full-time service, as in Julian is 81, but he still comes to the office every day and is very much on active duty . This term comes from the military, where it stands in opposition to reserve , which refers to troops still in the military but not actively engaged. It is occasionally transferred to civilian matters as well. [First half of 1800s]
Active duty | Define Active duty at Dictionary.com

10 USC § 101 - Definitions | LII / Legal Information Institute

In the case of Clinton he tried to stave a sexual harrassment lawsuit by claiming he was active duty military. But like almost all military personel even he was not immune from civil lawsuits.

Clinton Drops Active-Duty Lawsuit Protection Claim - Los Angeles Times

I can't find any evidence that Clinton used active duty military to avoid showing his medical records, so maybe you can provide it, Henrin.
 
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That is a tall order considering how much others that came before him did like FDR.

1.He tried to take over healthcare, and instead put in a system that forces people to take part in the a market while others are forced under programs they may not desire to be on. By all accounts that is still socialist by design and by even hinting at the former showed who he was.
Once again, I do not oppose all programs which are socialist in nature, and I think that healthcare is the perfect field for the government to involve itself in as it is an essential need that impacts all Americans and has tremendous implications for the entire economy. But you seem to be forgetting that people will be forced to buy insurance from a PRIVATE company. You know, just like anyone who drives has to buy car insurance from a private company. I don't care if you insist on calling it purely "socialism" or not, the fact is, it will work better than the market-regulated insurance fiasco that we're currently stuck with. This should make the free-market types quite happy: No longer can people freeload for free healthcare because they decided to buy new rims for their car than insurance for their family, and the private sector will probably get a bit of a boost as well.
2. He bailed out industry, gave government shares, and switched up the hierarchy of ownership in those companies. Again, that is socialist.
Once again, I agree with you on this point. Not a bad decision in retrospect, but a bad precedent and probably not something we should do in the future.
3. He assisted people from losing their homes when they otherwise would of done so. Again, that is socialist.

This is more complicated than at first glance and, as someone who owns a home and has been responsible in my mortgage payments, it is frustrating to see some of these yahoos who purchased homes they shouldn't. But you also have to remember that many of these people were victims of predatory and deceptive lending practices(resulting from LACK of government oversight of the finance sector in this country). Also, these people weren't just handed their homes. Rather, they were allowed to refinance to a level at which they could afford to make payments. Don't forget that the free market is not just about SUPPLY and DEMAND, it also has a huge psycological element to it and I firmly believe that if the government had not stepped in to shore up the banks and the housing we would have collapsed into a complete economic deathspiral and would be in a Great Depression again. The tragedy behind all of this is that the government has yet to reform the finance industry(thanks to the conservative free-market worshipping politicians) so that this same mistake doesn't happen again. So....it'll happen again.

4. Grew and supported funding of private industry. ex: Wind turbines

and the list goes on and on, but those are all bad enough in my book and yes they are all socialist.
I believe the government should be investing hundreds of billions in alternative energy projects. So what if not all of them are profitable or successful the first time around. Our dependance on oil is absolutely destroying our economy in a million different ways(Foreign wars, pollution, economic instability etc.-I can go on for hours about this....trust me!:2razz:) and the free market junkies refuse to acknowledge that this danger and all they can scream is DRILL! DRILL! DRILL! In the meantime, we need to find a real solution to this monsterous solution and the private sector has not been able to do it. So, it's time for the government to begin stepping up to the plate to invest in the development of new technologies to replace oil. I think it's a great thing for my tax-payer money to be spent on and I'd much prefer this strategy than spending hundreds of billions each year to protect our oil interests in the Middle East.

So, Long story short: I don't believe "socialism" is always a bad word and I don't think that the Free Market can solve all of our ills. There should always be a place for the government to regulate, tax and invest in our future. As long as it is done wisely and only in limited circumstances, I am all for it. There will be room for capitalism in that system as well. Always has been, always will be.
 
huh? WHAT should be applied liberally? I am a bit confused as to what, specifically, you are referencing.

I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

so says Thomas Jefferson
 
yeah that is why obama and his toadies whine about Mitt having a swiss bank account or that he personally outsourced jobs

Lets talk about the truth of Obama being completely inept and an failure
okay, let's talk aboutit. Examples and evidence(facts would be nice) to back up your assertion. Thank you, TurtleDude
 
I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

so says Thomas Jefferson

UtahBill, I am afraid you have lost me. Cool quote. Great quote, actually. But outside of that I'm not sure what you are getting at.
 
they pay sales taxes & property taxes. Which build roads & bridges.

Oh so now you are talking about local roads and state things-not the things Oblama uses to justify higher FEDERAL taxes


most of the sales taxes paid by the bottom 30% comes from money GIVEN to them by the government which gets that money from people like ME. So in reality I am paying for their "contributions"

NOT THEM

the bottom 20% get three dollars from the federal government for every dollar they actually make

the top one percent are paying an effective tax rate of about 28C on every dollar they make

its not until you hit the top 40% that there is a net tax payment rather than a negative tax payment (meaning money back)
 
So, you're big on military spending then?

:roll::roll::roll:

No, but then, that has nothing to do with what I said either. Are you also deflecting from what I said in order to avoid answering my question?
 
At a campaign stop in Roanoke, VA, Obama takes a shot at entreprenuers and small business owners, suggesting that they are not responsible for the success of their own businesses.

IMO, blatant comments such as these show the disrespect that Obama has for ingenuity, resourcefulness, and hard work. I do not think comments such as these will benefit him among independent and other swing voters.

Also, I find it interesting that no other major news outlet other than Fox News picked up this story. Interesting, but not surprising.

Quoting Obama,

Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News

Obama is a fool. He does not understand or appreciate the free-enterprise system.

He is nothing more than a "community organizer" who knows absolutely nothing about what it takes to run a successful business or a for-profit neighborhood lemonade stand!


Obama sincerely believes the "government" is the "be-all" and the "end-all" of everyone's success!

In the next 25 years, more than 77 million baby boomers will retire. They will begin collecting checks from Social Security, drawing benefits from Medicare, and relying on Medicaid for long-term care.

As of now, 70 percent of the federal government’s budget goes to individual assistance programs, up dramatically in just the past few years. However, research shows that private, community, and charitable aid helps individuals rise from their difficulties with better success than federal government handouts. Plus, local and private aid is often more effectively distributed.
 
UtahBill, I am afraid you have lost me. Cool quote. Great quote, actually. But outside of that I'm not sure what you are getting at.

we should all be hostile to tyranny over the mind of man, and LYING about your opponent to get votes is tyranny.
What does it say about us when we are eager and willing to believe ANYTHING BAD said about the politicians we don't like.
It is laziness at the least, especially when there is so much truth that is even more damaging. But a lot of politicians have so many skeletons in their closets that they have to be careful what they say as backlash is always a possibility.
Clear enough?
 
This fact will make him acceptable to most moderate Democrats!
Why would most moderate Democrats want to vote for someone who doesn't appeal to so many in his own party?

Hell, who knows Romney better than his own state of Massachusetts? And they don't want him!


:lol::lol::lol:
 
This fact will make him acceptable to most moderate Democrats!

Maybe. There is that conservative hope. But his record may nto appeal to as many as some hope. He does dance rather all over the place.
 
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