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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

sure you did, and I posted it above.

you assume businesses would create their own infrastructure.

that's great, but its just an assumption.

Are you familiar with Cellular Phones? Are you familiar with the medieval spice trade? Are you familiar with the slave trade?
 
Whatever cheerleader. He said it. He means it. He's ignorant. He's never owned a business, and the reason you don't get it, is because you've never built anything yourself either.

sure I have. I've built many things.
 
No, building roads is good. But understanding who is responsible for those roads is the point. It's not the government, it's the tax payers and businesses. Obama was taking credit for something government isn't responsible for.

My business succeeds because of my hard work, risk management, vision, and determination, NOT because there's a road outside, and NOT because of my 3rd grade teacher.

Question. How do you commute to work each day?
 
rhetorical questions are amusing.

They weren't rhetorical. They do, however, illustrate your lack of understanding. Or more accurately, your inability to give an honest answer does.
 
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen". There's his quote. He also said, "Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."

Yes, that "somebody" was another business owner who paid taxes, or another private individual who paid taxes. So, ya, he's right. "Somebody" did help me build my business. It was another business owner, and another private tax payer. Not his precious federal government. And those roads and bridges were built for EVERYONE, not just the business owners. You drive on roads dont you? Do you own a business? You went to school too right? Do you own a business?

Schools and roads weren't built just for business owners. They were built for everyone. And I pay for them more than a person who doesn't own a business. That's why I say that business owners are even MORE responsible for those roads and bridges than any one else. That's just a fact.

Did you build the building that your business is in? Did you build the roads that bring the customers to your business? Did you build the street lights and electrical power that you depend on to run your business? Did you build the water plant and the pipes that supplies the water to your business? Do you own the trucking company or build the railroads and airplanes that brings supplies to your business? Did you teach all your employees how to read and do math? Do you own the newspapers or postal service that you advertise your business in? If no to any of those answers then you did not build your business alone.
 
Did you build the building that your business is in? Did you build the roads that bring the customers to your business? Did you build the street lights and electrical power that you depend on to run your business? Did you build the water plant and the pipes that supplies the water to your business? Do you own the trucking company or build the railroads and airplanes that brings supplies to your business? Did you teach all your employees how to read and do math? Do you own the newspapers or postal service that you advertise your business in? If no to any of those answers then you did not build your business alone.

Did anyone care to notice anything about this line of reasoning yet? That really all it is doing is missing the point in amazing fashion to say something pointless that we all learned before we could walk all they could claim a say in others property. If I have an arrangement with you and do me a service and you complete that service our workings are over and in no way shape or form does that warrant you to more of what is mine. We are done with each other at that point, so move along little boys and girls and get the **** out of my pocket. The government couldn't survive without my business and let little Obama there not forget that if this is really the point he wants to make. He should watch his fights more closely in the future or else I have no choice but to call him on his threats. Why do people that want oppose their will always need an enemy? Business is just the new enemy for useless authoritarians. Though I guess its not new since its going on for 100+ plus by now.
 
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How did one commute to work in 1692?
Even back in 1692 the gubbamint built the roads.....


"The need for improving roads to better serve the social and economic life of the colony was among the matters facing members of the House of Burgesses as they met in Jamestown in September 1632.

Before adjournment, they had passed the first highway legislation in American history, an act providing, in the language of the day, that, "Highwayes shall be layd in such convenient places as are requisite accordinge as the Governor and Counsell or the commissioners for the monthlie corts shall appoynt, or accordinge as the parishioners of every parish shall agree."

The first legislation also required each man in the colony to work on the roads a given number of days each year, a custom dating at least from the feudal period of the Middle Ages in England, or to pay another to work in his place. This labor law, to remain in effect for more than 250 years, provided the main source of workers for road and bridge construction.

Twenty-five years later, probably in March 1657, the colony's basic road law was broadened to provide "that surveyors of highwaise and maintenance for bridges be yearly kept and appointed in each countie cort respectively, and that all generall wayes from county to county and all churchwaies to be laied out and cleered yearly as each countie cort shall think fitt, needful and convenient, respect being had to the course used in England to that end."

In 1661, the surveyors were empowered to select locations for roads, choosing "the most convenient wayes to Church, to the Court, to James Towne, and from County to County."

By the end of the 17th century, many miles of primitive roads threaded throughout Tidewater Virginia. The colony's population had reached 70,000. While horseback was the most frequent means of overland travel, horse-drawn carts became more numerous, and some carriages and coaches gradually appeared.

In 1705, the legislature passed a new road act providing for "making, clearing, and repairing the highways and for clearing the rivers and creeks... for the more convenient traveling and carriage, by land, of tobaccos merchandise, or other things within this dominion . . . "

The new road act provided for further extension of the road system and required that the roads "be kept well cleared from woods and bushes, and the roots well grubbed up, at least thirty feet broad." The new law also provided for skilled labor to erect bridges larger than could be built by the local surveyors, and when such a bridge was to cross a county line, its cost would be divided "proportionable to the number of tithables in each county." ...."
Early history of Virginia roads
 
Even back in 1692 the gubbamint built the roads.....


"The need for improving roads to better serve the social and economic life of the colony was among the matters facing members of the House of Burgesses as they met in Jamestown in September 1632.

Before adjournment, they had passed the first highway legislation in American history, an act providing, in the language of the day, that, "Highwayes shall be layd in such convenient places as are requisite accordinge as the Governor and Counsell or the commissioners for the monthlie corts shall appoynt, or accordinge as the parishioners of every parish shall agree."

The first legislation also required each man in the colony to work on the roads a given number of days each year, a custom dating at least from the feudal period of the Middle Ages in England, or to pay another to work in his place. This labor law, to remain in effect for more than 250 years, provided the main source of workers for road and bridge construction.

Twenty-five years later, probably in March 1657, the colony's basic road law was broadened to provide "that surveyors of highwaise and maintenance for bridges be yearly kept and appointed in each countie cort respectively, and that all generall wayes from county to county and all churchwaies to be laied out and cleered yearly as each countie cort shall think fitt, needful and convenient, respect being had to the course used in England to that end."

In 1661, the surveyors were empowered to select locations for roads, choosing "the most convenient wayes to Church, to the Court, to James Towne, and from County to County."

By the end of the 17th century, many miles of primitive roads threaded throughout Tidewater Virginia. The colony's population had reached 70,000. While horseback was the most frequent means of overland travel, horse-drawn carts became more numerous, and some carriages and coaches gradually appeared.

In 1705, the legislature passed a new road act providing for "making, clearing, and repairing the highways and for clearing the rivers and creeks... for the more convenient traveling and carriage, by land, of tobaccos merchandise, or other things within this dominion . . . "

The new road act provided for further extension of the road system and required that the roads "be kept well cleared from woods and bushes, and the roots well grubbed up, at least thirty feet broad." The new law also provided for skilled labor to erect bridges larger than could be built by the local surveyors, and when such a bridge was to cross a county line, its cost would be divided "proportionable to the number of tithables in each county." ...."
Early history of Virginia roads

Major roads perhaps, but the average roads where little more than well traveled tracks and the spaces between buildings. Furthermore, there were not roads initially in the west, yet the western expansion happened anyways. The highway system was a major benefit to the nation, however, it didn't exist until the 1950s. Businesses existed long before then.
 
Made by whom?

Depends, but I think its humorous that liberals put their teeth into roads like the government HAS to build them.
 
Depends, but I think its humorous that liberals put their teeth into roads like the government HAS to build them.

Yeah....btw...the developer that built my neighborhood also built our roads. Businessman as he was...
 
Did anyone care to notice anything about this line of reasoning yet? That really all it is doing is missing the point in amazing fashion to say something pointless that we all learned before we could walk all they could claim a say in others property. If I have an arrangement with you and do me a service and you complete that service our workings are over and in no way shape or form does that warrant you to more of what is mine. We are done with each other at that point, so move along little boys and girls and get the **** out of my pocket. The government couldn't survive without my business and let little Obama there not forget that if this is really the point he wants to make. He should watch his fights more closely in the future or else I have no choice but to call him on his threats. Why do people that want oppose their will always need an enemy? Business is just the new enemy for useless authoritarians. Though I guess its not new since its going on for 100+ plus by now.
If I was the only one that could provide that service for you would you be telling me to run along? I don't think you would especially if your business depended on my service.
 
Major roads perhaps, but the average roads where little more than well traveled tracks and the spaces between buildings. Furthermore, there were not roads initially in the west, yet the western expansion happened anyways. The highway system was a major benefit to the nation, however, it didn't exist until the 1950s. Businesses existed long before then.
So? You asked what people commuted on in 1692 and now you know, it was government built roads.

The western expansion depended on railroads and it was Abraham Lincoln that signed the Railroad Acts into law in 1862.

Pacific Railroad Acts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Ever hear of Route 66?

U.S. Route 66 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Did you build the building that your business is in? Did you build the roads that bring the customers to your business? Did you build the street lights and electrical power that you depend on to run your business? Did you build the water plant and the pipes that supplies the water to your business? Do you own the trucking company or build the railroads and airplanes that brings supplies to your business? Did you teach all your employees how to read and do math? Do you own the newspapers or postal service that you advertise your business in? If no to any of those answers then you did not build your business alone.

All that stuff is done buy, you guessed it....businesses.
 
Yeah....btw...the developer that built my neighborhood also built our roads. Businessman as he was...
My parents live in a condo and the condo association is responsible for the roads inside the condo complex. So what? That has little to do with the roads, highways and freeways that help bring customers to a business or a shopping center or a mall.
 
In my fraternity in college, they had something they repeated to us over and over during rush..."One man is no man." I think that MIGHT be the message he was poorly trying to communicate, here. And to some extent, I agree with it. Without everything else that has gone before to create the structure, none of our current business owners could be business owners. Which is NOT to say that they owe ANYONE, ANYTHING. Last I checked, business owners pay just as much or more taxes as non business owners for their infrastructure, from roads to educated (somewhat) workers. Too often, these days, though, I see business owners (mostly local) grandstanding about how much THEY, ALONE, do for their community. And this is the wrong mindset. There IS no I in team. And we're ALL on the same team. Team earth. We got team captains, and we got towel boys, and everything in between. And the team needs all of those players, to function properly. The captain get's a good deal more glory than the kid that cleans the jock straps, but guess what? NO ONE, NO ONE, likes a show boat, cocky, arrogant player. Just as much as no one likes the smell of jock straps that never get cleaned.
 
My parents live in a condo and the condo association is responsible for the roads inside the condo complex. So what? That has little to do with the roads, highways and freeways that help bring customers to a business or a shopping center or a mall.

who pays for those roads?
 
Built by the people that traveled it....later, much later, paved.
So what? The point is who built and paid for the roads and railroads so businesses could thrive? hint: NOT BUSINESSES.
 
All that stuff is done buy, you guessed it....businesses.
Wrong. All that "stuff" was built by government and paid for by taxpayers to entice businesses to the area to help bring jobs to the community. Roads usually come first, then businesses locate near the roads because that is where the most traffic is. That is just basic business 101 and it doesn't get any simpler than that.


Municipal governments are usually administratively divided into several departments, depending on the size of the city. Though cities differ in the division of responsibility, the typical arrangement is to have the following departments handle the following roles:

1.Urban planning/zoning
2.Economic development/tourism
3.Public works - construction and maintenance of all city-owned or operated assets, including the water supply system, sewer, streets, stormwater, snow removal, street cleaning, street signs, vehicles, buildings, land, etc.
4.Parks and recreation - construction and maintenance of city parks, common areas, parkways, publicly-owned land, operation of various recreation programs and facilities
5.Police
6.Fire
7.Emergency medical services
8.Emergency management
9.Accounting/finance - often tax collection, audits
10.Human resources - for city workers
11.General counsel/city attorney/risk management - legal matters such as writing municipal bonds, ensuring city compliance with state and federal law, responding to citizen lawsuits stemming from city actions or inactions.
12.Transportation (varies widely) - if the city has a municipal bus or light rail service, this function may be its own department or it may be folded into the another of the above departments.
13.Information technology - supports computer systems used by city employees; may be also responsible for a city website, phones and other systems.
14.Housing department
15.Municipal court

Local government in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"....Municipal engineering is concerned with municipal infrastructure. This involves specifying, designing, constructing, and maintaining streets, sidewalks, water supply networks, sewers, street lighting, municipal solid waste management and disposal, storage depots for various bulk materials used for maintenance and public works (salt, sand, etc.), public parks and bicycle paths. In the case of underground utility networks, it may also include the civil portion (conduits and access chambers) of the local distribution networks of electrical and telecommunications services. It can also include the optimizing of waste collection and bus service networks. Some of these disciplines overlap with other civil engineering specialties, however municipal engineering focuses on the coordination of these infrastructure networks and services, as they are often built simultaneously, and managed by the same municipal authority.

Civil engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There isn't one thing on that list that a business located near an urban center hasn't used or depended on.
 
So what? The point is who built and paid for the roads and railroads so businesses could thrive? hint: NOT BUSINESSES.

Private contractors build roads, they are paid for mainly through a user fee. There is no reason for large bureaucracy.
 
Private contractors build roads, they are paid for mainly through a user fee. There is no reason for large bureaucracy.

You can argue all day about what you think would be the best way to build a national road infrastructure, but the bottom line is you didn't build it, which is what Obama said. Hypotheticals don't matter, what happened happened.
 
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