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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

What more, attitude wise, could be expected from someone who strives to create New Americ land of the welfare state.
 
I agree with Obama. It is government's job to help balance the economy and thus help create the conditions necessary for jobs to be created and for hard work to pay off. And in the event that the economy should go off the rails, it is the job of government to deploy temprary stimulus to reduce the impact on vulnerable people and to quicken the recovery.

you agree with Obama

color me shocked



Right now Obama government is pretty well buggering the economy up.
 
Or like others have said, government can help provide the conditions that make easier for private industry to hire more people or start new businesses by providing low interest loans and network support.

right now it is doing the opposite
 
No. Government doesn't "create jobs" beyond the work it requires done completing specific projects within their powers to provide. It does not create jobs for the purpose of making unemployed people employed. If it tries to anyway, there are two options and both are worse for the economy than doing nothing: 1) employ them directly, which means finding something for them to do that was not previously determined a priority, as well as taking money out of the private sector in order to provide the income. This is a net inefficiency and harms economic activity more than it helps. 2) Force the terms of employment arrangement on private parties, and I shouldn't even need to explain why that fails, given that we want our private economic activity to be more competitive globally, not less.
I think it's already been proven that government does and can create jobs so that unemployed people can be employed and that in it self can be a priority need and it does indeed stimulate economic growth. It wouldn't serve the government or the private sector to let citizens starve or riot for lack of employment because the private sector are citizens and without them there is no economy or government.

1. By employing people directly does not neccessarily take money out of the private sector but rather puts it back in because government employees spend their paychecks in the private sector and many economies are built around government employees spending their money in the private sector. The money you think is taken out of the private sector are taxes the private sector was likely obligated to pay with or without government job creation. So you can argue that you don't like how taxes are spent but you can't argue that the private sector wouldn't have had to pay taxes, regardless of government employment.

2. Many nations around the world nationalize or subsidize their industries and that is what the private sector must compete against in a global economy. Private businesses can not compete effectively against a nation that subsidizes a competing industry unless their government does the same. So that is exactly what our government does, subsidizes the private sector.

An interesting case of subsidizing gone awry is US cotton. Our country subsidizes our private cotton growers and in doing so violates the very treaty NAFTA that it insisted other countries sign. So when Brazil's unsubsidized cotton growers complained to the WTO about the US unfair trade practice, the US skirted the treaty by subsidizing Brazil's cotton growers as well. The problem here is our private cotton growers didn't want to give up their subsidies because they enjoy their economic advantage and don't like the competition. So there you have it, corporate welfare for the so called free market and it's costing tax payers billions. So before complaining about government jobs that actually employ real people, why not hold the free market to account and demand the removal of their corporate welfare subsidies?
 
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Thanks to conservatives hoping the economy will tank.



Obama's doing that quite well without us hoping for it.

its sort of like the lefties hoping for large casualty rates in Iraq to use against Bush.
 
What's funny is that conservatives have been saying something similar for years. "Freedom isn't free." "Our soldiers died for our freedom." "We should honor those who gave the ultimate sacrifice."

It seems like they're perfectly okay with the concept as long as it involves wars and killing. But suddenly, when it turns into more mundane yet equally important sectors of society such as labor and education, all of a sudden the harsh reality that we depend on others becomes taboo. Why is this?
 
What's funny is that conservatives have been saying something similar for years. "Freedom isn't free." "Our soldiers died for our freedom." "We should honor those who gave the ultimate sacrifice."

It seems like they're perfectly okay with the concept as long as it involves wars and killing. But suddenly, when it turns into more mundane yet equally important sectors of society such as labor and education, all of a sudden the harsh reality that we depend on others becomes taboo. Why is this?

what I think most of us object to is Obama trying to justify more and more taxes on the people who already pay too much of the taxes
 
Turtle, just an FYI, I have you on my ignore list. ;) (I chose to read that one post just out of curiosity.)
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

No, they didn't edit anything, they showed a portion of the speech, just as the left has been doing to the right forever. This is typical of reporting and politicking, always has been. I don't see you complaining when they do this to Romney or any other republican.

They CROPPED OUT the part of the speech that showed exactly what Obama meant, and by doing so, showed the speech to mean something entirely than what it actually meant. THAT is editing. Duh!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

The undisputed king of "I", "ME" and "MY" has the unmitigated gall to marginalize the efforts of other individuals...

For the love of gawd, fire this piece of ****.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Why are there two versions of this thread?
 
Turtle, just an FYI, I have you on my ignore list. ;) (I chose to read that one post just out of curiosity.)


good for you. I never read much of your stuff but I find that a sign of cowardice to put someone on an ignore list. But that is probably a good thing for you to do given the nature of your posts
 
Then why do so many of them sing a solo of Frank Sinatra's I DID IT MY WAY and actually believe they accomplished everything all by themsleves?

Who do so many on the right refuse to admit that society and its desginated government plays a huge role in making this a great country and contributing to the success of the American people?

What they know they did is to use the same resources everyone else has in our country and build successful businesses. All those roads? All the infrastructure? That's available to everyone. I don't know any successful businessman who doesn't say, in effect, "Only in America...." Those who build success from ashes stand above those who either don't have the drive, the smarts, the ambition or the mentors to achieve success. It's as level a playing field as anywhere else in the world.

We do not have our government to thank for a damned thing. Put the credit where it belongs: on the Constitution of the United States of America and the American people themselves.
 
What they know they did is to use the same resources everyone else has in our country and build successful businesses. All those roads? All the infrastructure? That's available to everyone. I don't know any successful businessman who doesn't say, in effect, "Only in America...." Those who build success from ashes stand above those who either don't have the drive, the smarts, the ambition or the mentors to achieve success. It's as level a playing field as anywhere else in the world.

We do not have our government to thank for a damned thing. Put the credit where it belongs: on the Constitution of the United States of America and the American people themselves.

You're referring to the Constitution ... that establishes the government, right?
 
You're referring to the Constitution ... that establishes the government, right?

And restricts it so that liberals like yourself can't come along and restrict freedoms and rights in the name of social engineering.
 
And restricts it so that liberals like yourself can't come along and restrict freedoms and rights in the name of social engineering.

Yes, so we should give all credit to the Constitution! ... that does nothing but establish the structures and powers of the federal government ... but we should not credit the government that the Constitution actually establishes ... as if the Constitution without the government is anything more than a useless piece of paper....
 
You're referring to the Constitution ... that establishes the government, right?

Yes, of course. But without the Constitution, the United States would be a very different place. Despite the Constitution, our government has morphed so far away from its original principles as to be almost appalling. We succeed inspite of a great deal of what our government does -- not because of it, IMO.
 
You're referring to the Constitution ... that establishes the government, right?

....for people who were already inventing, producing and engaging in trade.

What American progressive leftists (collectivists) are too stupid or indoctrinated to understand or admit, is that human inventiveness, industriousness and commerce, like natural rights and liberty, exist in the absence of the state
 
Yes, so we should give all credit to the Constitution! ... that does nothing but establish the structures and powers of the federal government ... but we should not credit the government that the Constitution actually establishes ... as if the Constitution without the government is anything more than a useless piece of paper....

You really don't understand the Constitution do you?
 
Yes, of course. But without the Constitution, the United States would be a very different place. Despite the Constitution, our government has morphed so far away from its original principles as to be almost appalling. We succeed inspite of a great deal of what our government does -- not because of it, IMO.

I disagree, obviously. But this worship of the Constitution, combined with disdain for the government it created, is bizarre to me. Sort of like saying, "man, those Acme Corp. bylaws are AWESOME ... but Acme Corp? Sucks."
 
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