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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

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nonpareil said:
That is simply false. Government existed without the private sector, they just weren't very healthy or lasted very long, not the big ones at least. Besides, since he didn't say the private sector didn't play a role, that's beside the point entirely.

I find it funny that the GOP supporters are now not so puritan about the degrading nature of negative ads, and how only the stupid fall for the blatant dishonesty in them. The OP's writer, who spent posts and posts speculating about how SEC regulations require one to do this or that, now doesn't even feel the need to even read and understand OBbama's speech in its context.

Negative attacks are great when it suits your purpose, doesn't it?
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Hence, government can't exist without the private sector. Even in the Soviet Union, there would have been no government were it not for the private sector working for the state.
 
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Moot said:
Good luck getting the raw materials and resources the business depends on without other people/businesses producing them. Not to mention an educated labor pool so the business can hire other qualified people in order to have a well managed business.
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Thank you for agreeing with my point.
 
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haymarket said:
Do you know the difference between somebody GIVING you something and you working cooperatively with others so that their is mutual benefit and gain? That is a concept that we try to teach small children. It is sad that some on the far right never learned this or forgot the lesson as they aged.

I am successfully because of a multitude of factors and that includes what others in society did for me as well as what I did myself for myself. To ignore either part of the formula is simply ridiculous.
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Another one that sees my point. See? We can agree! :rofl
 
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Indivuals and other legal entities are normally in a symbiotic relationship
with Government. The Government was created to address the corroborative
needs of our society, Defense, legislative, and Judicial. (The Executive is a management
function, not an actual task)
This works best when Government leverages resources to expand the economy.
Example: Land given to the railroad companies both built the railroad, and increased the value of the land the railroad companies received.
Through greater commerce, the Government saw tax revenues increase.
Win- Win .
Governments are created by Indivuals to provide a framework for
Indivuals to have an opportunity for prosperity.
The Government exists to provide the infrastructure for growth.

When a Government consumes more resources than absolutely necessary,
It becomes parasitic.
In a parasitic relationship, the Government starts to consume and kill the hosts.

“The power to tax, is the power to destroy.”
 
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solletica said:
:lol: even without such a ban, the oil cos. that engage in offshore drilling would never be in business if they were legally obligated to fully compensate every single business/individual affected by their spills,

and in a truly free-enterprise (deregulated) system, they would.

But the GOP has fortunately worked furiously to enact bills that shield companies from the liabilities of their spills, forcing taxpayers to pay for them instead. Hence, those offshore drilling cos., and all related businesses (including those that service the rigs) are only in business because the federal government has regulated the system in their favor.

Which means, your business only exists because of (the aforementioned) federal regulation forcing taxpayers to pick up the costs from spills, i. e. because the government has enacted laws that interfere with the market to tilt the playing field in your favor. So thank the feds for your livelihood, and stop bitching.
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Well, that's not true and betrays you know very little about the oil and gas business or how they LEASE their offshore drilling sites from the government. Not to mention, everything you said applies to virtually all UTILITY companies.
 
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Moot said:
Really, when and where did Obama say that?

"....There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires....."

Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event in Roanoke, Virginia | The White House
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Correct, Obama said no such thing, his words were taken out of context. the word 'that' in 'you didn’t build that' is referring to 'roads and bridges' (the antecedent} not business.
 
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nonpareil said:
That is simply false. Government existed without the private sector,
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True... not so long ago, North America was dominated by this form of government - I believe they were called "tribes"

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Thunder said:
The intent of the OP is to accuse Obama of saying that business owners didn't build their businesses.

And that, as we all can clearly read, is a lie.
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Unfortunately for Obama, we can read between the lines. Owners building their own businesses is self-evident; Obama had to come out and make the point that they didn't do it alone, as though the "others" had a hand in the risk. Well employees, who btw get paid for their work, seldom share in the real risk of a business. They can always leave and go elsewhere, while the owners have to stay the course one way or the other. These are the people that society generally credit with building a business in the classic sense.

You on the other hand are of the mind that building a business can't be done without the government. Government services including building of roads are available to all citizens and not just businesses, so to say that the govt helped a company build its business through roads is to also say the govt helped families build themselves through roads. Well given that the govt used the very money it took from businesses and families through taxes is to give govt credit for producing something that the citizens actually paid for themselves. Without an interest in expansion by businesses and families, there would be no need for more roads.......unless you support roads to nowhere.

Businesses weren't created for govt, but govt for businesses. Trouble with the left is many of them tend to put the cart before the horse.
 
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American said:
Unfortunately for Obama, we can read between the lines.
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Unfortunately for the rest of us y'all have trouble reading the actual lines ... let alone reading between them. :)
 
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TurtleDude said:
nah they just paid a ton of the money used to build them. those who live off the public dole-ie the people obama is pandering to-they didn't do much of anything to get those roads built. they sure didn't provide jobs that led to taxes that helped build that stuff either
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If we really break it down, not sure about the federal but most state and local governments "low bid" construction of roads and bridges to private firms, everything from the engineering to the excavation to the actual laying of asphalt. And not one thing gets done without private company provided materials, there is no government shovel manufacturer, or heavy equipment, or even dirt/asphalt so if we wanted to get down to the math of who contributes what the government would lose that argument. As well if we wanted to see an efficiency model of whether a government or private business would get the most out of dollars spent I would wager that the government would lose.
 
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It is funny the thread with the false quote has more than 3x the amount of posts than the thread with the actual quote. it is an accurate reflection of how media works though.
 
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nonpareil said:
Just because you can change the people working for you doesn't change the fact that you need people working for you.
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Actually, for many industries I could just automate if I got tired of an undesireable pool of workers, even in service industries all it would take is simple upgrading of equipment.
Frankly, if you are the kind of person who think that you can fire your whole crew at a moment's notice without consequences, you wouldn't go very far in business. People who succeed in business depends on others they trust, you can't build a multi-million dollar business without delegating responsibilities.
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Have you ever run a business? I have, there are two responsibilities in business, the customer and the business. I am not going to have a business hurt by a substandard crew and neither will most successful ones, it's emotion neutral and no one gives a **** about a worthless crew in business.
 
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Furiounova said:
It is funny the thread with the false quote has more than 3x the amount of posts than the thread with the actual quote. it is an accurate reflection of how media works though.
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Actual quotes to fanatical Obama cultists are now "false quotes". The rabid left now has to emotionally rationalize that Obama didn't really say what he said

It's absolutely hilarious. People that live in the real world, who have worked their fingers to the bone building their own businesses know what Obama meant. The roads were built from the money confiscated from private businesses by Government. The roads were built by private businesses contracted by the Government with said businesses money to build those roads on Federal Land. They were built because of DEMAND within PRiVATE COMMERCE. Not a Government Program or because of Obama. Having your business next to a road doesn't mean your business will even succeed. It's just another false premise based in a strawman, pandered by the left to cover for the HUGE GAFFE Obama dropped over the weekend.

Carney On Why Jobs Council Hasn't Met In Six Months: Obama Has "A Lot On His Plate" | RealClearPolitics
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Are you kidding me? "WE" should stop reading political ideology into a politician's statements? EARTH to Boo, that is precisely what politcal campaigns, thus elections, are about! Obama is a huge federal nanny state type of guy, that honestly believes that job of gov't is to enforce "social justice" and to redistribute U.S. wealth "properly". Obama screwed up (again) by going "rogue", or off teleprompter, and let fly his REAL feelings. These moments are very rare, yet quite telling.
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You miss the point. While politiicans will reach out to their base and the middle, when you read into it the worse political ideology you can, you're dishonest. That applies to all sides. Factually, the difference between democrats and republicans is minor. They do not govern as radically as the partisan presents it. Nor can they, as they will lose the middle completely, and thus elections. But partisans being dishonest doesn't make any of the claims true. Politiicans just hope the lie works against their opponenets.
 
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Bronson said:
Actual quotes to fanatical Obama cultists are now "false quotes". The rabid left now has to emotionally rationalize that Obama didn't really say what he said

It's absolutely hilarious. People that live in the real world, who have worked their fingers to the bone building their own businesses know what Obama meant. The roads were built from the money confiscated from private businesses by Government. The roads were built by private businesses contracted by the Government with said businesses money to build those roads on Federal Land. They were built because of DEMAND within PRiVATE COMMERCE. Not a Government Program or because of Obama. Having your business next to a road doesn't mean your business will even succeed. It's just another false premise based in a strawman, pandered by the left to cover for the HUGE GAFFE Obama dropped over the weekend.

Carney On Why Jobs Council Hasn't Met In Six Months: Obama Has "A Lot On His Plate" | RealClearPolitics
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I've never supported Obushama and called him a sell out from the beginning but you assume I must support him because I committed the crime of pointing out facts you don't like.

His words were quoted mined in the most glaring manner and just because I do not support him that doesn't mean I support dishonesty.

I'm also a small biz owner and taking his words in context he is largely correct.
 
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Of course Romney is already touring the country mischaracterizing the statement and taking it out of context. The guy doesn't have an ounce of integrity in his body. I wonder if Obama will tearfully stamp his feet and demand an apology.
 
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The "you didn't build that" premise is built upon the foundation of the "rugged individulalism never worked" premise. If you are an American with a reasonable sense of history, you generally know what the concept of rugged individualism is all about. We all know it never was about one man building the Empire State Building alone beam by beam or brick by brick. It is about the people with visions showing the guts to take on the risk to make their dreams come true as much as liberty allows. And anyone who says it never worked, is full of ****. The perponderance of evidence is overwhelming that it worked. Has anyone ever heard the term Yankee ingenuity or American ingenuity?
 
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Furiounova said:
I've never supported Obushama and called him a sell out from the beginning but you assume I must support him because I committed the crime of pointing out facts you don't like.
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What crime did Romney commit Inspector Clouseau?

His words were quoted mined in the most glaring manner and just because I do not support him that doesn't mean I support dishonesty.

I'm also a small biz owner and taking his words in context he is largely correct.
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Yea? What's the name of your business?

Explain to me how Government helps businesses with the money it confiscates from said businesses. You are aware that Government doesn't create wealth right? All the Feds do is print, borrow, and spend money.

If all a business needs is a road to be successful, which was built by private businesses contracted by Government, then why isn't every business successful that has access to a road? You're not a business owner IMO. What Obama said (yes libs in its entire context) is completely foreign to anyone who ever built and ran a successful business. It's Collectivist propaganda designed to make people feel ashamed of their success.
 
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Bronson said:
What crime did Romney commit Inspector Clouseau?



Yea? What's the name of your business?

Explain to me how Government helps businesses with the money it confiscates from said businesses. You are aware that Government doesn't create wealth right? All the Feds do is print, borrow, and spend money.

If all a business needs is a road to be successful, which was built by private businesses contracted by Government, then why isn't every business successful that has access to a road? You're not a business owner IMO. What Obama said (yes libs in its entire context) is completely foreign to anyone who ever built and ran a successful business. It's Collectivist propaganda designed to make people feel ashamed of their success.
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I didn't say Romney committed a crime. How's the caffeine intake?
 
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American said:
The "you didn't build that" premise is built upon the foundation of the "rugged individulalism never worked" premise. If you are an American with a reasonable sense of history, you generally know what the concept of rugged individualism is all about. We all know it never was about one man building the Empire State Building alone beam by beam or brick by brick. It is about the people with visions showing the guts to take on the risk to make their dreams come true as much as liberty allows. And anyone who says it never worked, is full of ****. The perponderance of evidence is overwhelming that it worked. Has anyone ever heard the term Yankee ingenuity or American ingenuity?
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I don't buy that. What you're speaking to is American mythology, which is quite different than actual fact. We built forts and communities back then as well as now. The articles of Confederation failed because the federal government was strong enough, and business needed more to succeed. A lot of wealth was built on backs of slaves early on. So, while few to none remove the individual from the equation, because individal vision goes a long way, that vision almost always needs others to reach fulfillment.
 
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apdst said:
Thank you for agreeing with my point.
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I wish did, but I didn't.

A business that uses and depends on paper in order to be successful, depends on other people to log and mill the trees and railroads to transport the trees and paper companies to make the trees into paper and trucks and roads to transport the paper to the business. That's a lot of people that helped to make that one business do it's thing to be successful. Like Obama said, no one gets successful all by themselves.
 
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apdst said:
Another one that sees my point. See? We can agree! :rofl
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What is it you think we are agreeing upon?
 
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American said:
Unfortunately for Obama, we can read between the lines.
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Sadly for the right wing that is all you seem to do. You skip the actual words and content and just plug in what you want to plug in because you want to believe what you want to believe.
 
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