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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

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Not sure why the "That" and the "It" threads were never merged... nevertheless, here's hoping some people get better informed about the 'That' and the 'It'.
Those items you point out in the sign are how the government promotes the general welfare. They provide benefits to everyone.
Collectivists will believe this gives them the right to the wealth created by others. Perhaps it will take a revolution to decide.
 
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Those items you point out in the sign are how the government promotes the general welfare. They provide benefits to everyone.
Collectivists will believe this gives them the right to the wealth created by others. Perhaps it will take a revolution to decide.

This is the problem with both sides, over-generlizations, all or nothing thinking.

"Collectivists" is fantasy, they don't exist. Nobody believes that.

You throw around these words that have nothing to do with reality.

No body wants to give freebies out to non-producing layabouts. But the conversation has to start from a place of understanding of how public and private work together to benefit everyone. A business gets a tax credit when it expands in manner that grows its labor force. That makes sense.
 
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This is the problem with both sides, over-generlizations, all or nothing thinking.

"Collectivists" is fantasy, they don't exist. Nobody believes that.

You throw around these words that have nothing to do with reality.

No body wants to give freebies out to non-producing layabouts. But the conversation has to start from a place of understanding of how public and private work together to benefit everyone. A business gets a tax credit when it expands in manner that grows its labor force. That makes sense.

Of course they do, welfare rolls are bigger than ever.
 
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Of course they do, welfare rolls are bigger than ever.

That's due to hard times and not evidence anyone believes that. Poor reasoning leads to poor conclusions. :coffeepap
 
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That's due to hard times and not evidence anyone believes that. Poor reasoning leads to poor conclusions. :coffeepap

That doesn't actually refute what was said. If people did not want to, then we would not be. Regardless of hard times.
 
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That doesn't actually refute what was said. If people did not want to, then we would not be. Regardless of hard times.

Nonsense. True, we could have them as we did in the great depression. Jobs didn't just spring up then either. We just let people suffer. His reasoning assumes that the only reason is people wanting to be on the dole. There is little to no evidence to support that for the majority.
 
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That doesn't actually refute what was said. If people did not want to, then we would not be. Regardless of hard times.

If they didn't want to what? Feed their children?
 
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Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

This is the problem with both sides, over-generlizations, all or nothing thinking.

"Collectivists" is fantasy, they don't exist. Nobody believes that.

You throw around these words that have nothing to do with reality.

We see them here. We see them every day. They are people who believe as Radical Karl believed that each must be taxed in proportion to his ability to pay and pay and pay so the govern,ment can give some of that money to others who take and take and take.

No body wants to give freebies out to non-producing layabouts. But the conversation has to start from a place of understanding of how public and private work together to benefit everyone. A business gets a tax credit when it expands in manner that grows its labor force. That makes sense.
Really? We had more people accepted as disabled than those who found work. Why is that? Well, if someone is declared disabled they come off he rolls of those looking for work. So the Obama Regime has more people working on getting people approved now for SS disability.

Businesses are not created to hire people. That is a happy by-product. They are created to make profits.
 
You're showing some real nutter stuff. It really makes those who swallow this look bad. :coffeepap

After that scene, Costner goes into a long speech about how it's ALL the individual -- teamwork doesn't matter. It's each player pulling for himself. You can't spell team without "ME". :lol:
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Nonsense. True, we could have them as we did in the great depression. Jobs didn't just spring up then either. We just let people suffer. His reasoning assumes that the only reason is people wanting to be on the dole. There is little to no evidence to support that for the majority.

I see. Well I can't see how you came to that conclusion on his reasoning based on the posts.
 
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If they didn't want to what? Feed their children?

If you followed along you would not be confusing the 'they' and the 'what'.
 
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I see. Well I can't see how you came to that conclusion on his reasoning based on the posts.

You might try reading them again.
 
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If Obama's argument is that government "helps" people have successful businesses, maybe he should know that business start up's are at a 30 year low. Now, I don't know about you guys, but the roads and bridges here are in much better shape than they were 30 years ago.

Wanna know what is UP under Obama?
Unemployment, gas prices, food prices, regulations, underemployment, DEBT, college tuition, welfare, Iran's nuclear program, middle east turmoil.

Wanna know what is DOWN under Obama?
Housing, business start ups, tax revenue, job creation, entreprenuership, college graduation rates, high school graduation rates, consumer confidence.

How on Earth can anyone claim he's doing even a decent job? So, if Obama's argument that businesses wouldn't be successful without government, perhaps some crazy liberal can point to where Obama has made anything better? It's the time old question, "Am I better off now than I was 4 years ago?"

For most Americans, I'de say oh hell no. Unemployment is up. Food prices up. Gas prices up. College tuition up. Number of people on welfare up. Number of people who have given up looking for a job up. Home ownership down. Tax revenues down. Security in middle east down. New business start ups way down. Graduation rates down.

There's not a liberal in the country who can say, with a straight face, that the Obama presidency has been a successful one. Unless of course, succeeding means driving up the cost of living, killing American jobs, and strapping the nation with debt we cant pay back. If those are the goals of liberals, then he's been a smashing success.

What has Obama ever built in his entire life? I bet he helped build a few protest banners back in the day......

.....forgot to include one of the most important things to liberals. WAGES. Yep, you guessed it, under Obama, wages are also DOWN. Let's hear it for our manchild President!!!!
 
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If Obama's argument is that government "helps" people have successful businesses, maybe he should know that business start up's are at a 30 year low.

Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?! :mad:
 
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Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?! :mad:

Politicians lie to us that whatever scheme they've come up with is going to solve our economic woes. It never really does, though they stop at nothing to take credit or blame their political opponents when things go awry.

By definition, government is not an entity that "helps" particular individuals do something or another. Everything it does is an interference. Some interference is needed (regulation and taxation), and some is not. The benefits of government projects are supposed to be for the people generally, i.e. the general welfare of the country, not specific groups like corporations or the poor.

So as I've said repeatedly, "help" is not the word to use to explain why successful people in general are successful.
 
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Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?! :mad:

It does lead to job creation, but since the job loss is so massive you need much lower taxes to combat it. 44-year low says nothing towards that.

Without the low taxes unemployment would be much worse.
 
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It does lead to job creation, but since the job loss is so massive you need much lower taxes to combat it. 44-year low says nothing towards that.

Without the low taxes unemployment would be much worse.

It didn't do a helluva lot before the recession, either. Bush oversaw the weakest economic expansion in post-war history. Weakest business investment. Weakest GDP growth. Weakest employent growth. Weakest earnings growth. All things we were promised those massive tax cuts would strengthen!
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?! :mad:
Unfortunately regulations are up. Bring them down, way down and let's see what happens.
Given that the top 1% of wage earners earn about 17% of the income and pay 37% of the federal income taxes it seems Radical Karl is getting his way in wrecking capital formation. We are doing this to ourselves.

Borrowing is way up to. So is printing (money). There is much that is wrong with this Regime. We need a regime change.
 
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It didn't do a helluva lot before the recession, either. Bush oversaw the weakest economic expansion in post-war history. Weakest business investment. Weakest GDP growth. Weakest employent growth. Weakest earnings growth. All things we were promised those massive tax cuts would strengthen!

Well thats one hell of a defense, just blame someone else!

Bush inherited the .com bubble and 9/11. He did what he could, but it was just a lot worse than expected.
 
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Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?! :mad:

Nope, they didn't lie. Tax cuts DO create jobs. Wanna know what stifles that? An administration that is outright saying they are going to raise taxes on ONE SECT of the American people. Here's there idiotic problem. The vast majority of small business owners file taxes as INDIVIDUALS. Therefore, if you raise taxes on INDIVIDUALS earning more than 200k a year, you are effectively raising taxes on the strongest job creators in our economy.

Wanna know what else stifles jobs? Obamacare. Go talk to a business owner sometime. They have no idea how it's going to effect them financially. Therefore, they are just WAITING.

Wanna know what offsets low taxes? Burdensome regulations. The Obama administration has passed more regulations into law in one term than any other President in history. This is common sense to most people, but let me explain it to you. Regulations have the same effect as a tax. Get that? Do you understand this? If not, please excuse yourself from this conversation. Regulations effect a company's bottom line......just like a tax. Stifles job creation.

We have an administration, who we have found out this week, that purposefully destroyed 20,000 pension of NON-UNION employees in General Motors. Did they destroy UNION pensions? No, they didn't. They fullfilled them 100%, while destroying 20,000 pensions of employees who were not members of the union. So, is it a shock that a non-union employer isn't in the mood to hire a bunch more people???

Get real. Your tax argument is easily overcome. Because while it's true we have a 44 year low on INCOME TAX RATES, we have an all-time high in regulations, coinciding with a government hell bent on raising taxes on America's biggest job creators....small businesses.

Do you not understand any of this? Or are you also hell bent on "getting the rich to pay their fair share"? Did you know that the vast majority of small business owners file taxes as individuals? Do you know how regulations effect business? Are you out there talking to business owners about how Obamacare is effecting them? While the FEDERAL INCOME TAX rate is at a 44 year low, the burden on taxpayers is greater than ever before. Understand that the next time you spout off something about taxes being low. This administration is driving up the cost TO DO BUSINESS. That offsets any sort of low tax rate. Don't take my word for it. Just go start yourself a business and find out firsthand how costly it is to conduct business today.
 
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Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?! :mad:

Unfunded mandates are taxes too. Requiring that employers PAY MORE FOR medical care insurance for their employess is a TAX, just by another name - an unfunded mandate. Requiring all coal fired electrical generation plants to meet IMPOSSIBLE environmental standards is the same as a 100% tax, since it shuts them down. By simply mandating that a "private" business meet a gov't standard has exactly the same effect as a direct tax, it simply leaves the gov't out as the middle man, but it is a gov't mandated COST to the business just the same. You may PRETEND that requiring a car to get at least 35mpg has "no cost", yet we ALL know better than that.
 
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