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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Say what?? It was sponsored by some 20 Republicans. That's your idea of being "shot down by all the other Republicans."

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Really? 20? 20?!

Well, that makes all the difference.
 
mac said:
"US" is irrelevant to the overall point. Business would survive regardless of the name of the govt, or lack of govt, for that matter.
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Seems you don't know what Obama was talking about either. He was talking about the U.S.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Say what?? It was sponsored by some 20 Republicans. That's your idea of being "shot down by all the other Republicans."

:roll::roll::roll:
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The individual mandate was originally proposed in earnest the first time Hillary Clinton tried to pass healthcare reform. The republicans presented it as their solution to fixing healthcare as an alternative to Hillarycare and nearly all of them loved it, because it involved the private sector(since everyone had to buy their insurance from a private company). And now they all hate it and claim financial armaggedon will occur if it is implemented. Such obvious hypocrisy on the part of the Republicans. Talk about a bunch of flip-floppers! I don't know why the media isn't calling them out on this.
 
mac said:
The Mandate was an idea of a Republican, shot down by all the other Republicans. Republicans were not invited, they were stonewalled for all but one publicized meeting in the year leading up to the vote. Let's not forget that every sitting Republican and 34 sitting Democrats voted against it. That is not, in the least, a compromise.
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Not just one. Romney used it as well.

However, I wrote more than that. ;)
 
winston53660 said:
So food stamps indirectly supplement her employer and the crap wage
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Exactly right, Winston! Most people don't make the connection that you have, but a lot of aid to poor people can actually be considered a subsidy to the business class in this country. It is awfully nice if you can weaken the labor laws to the point as a business that you need not pay your employees a living wage or benefits and then the taxpayers(and most taxes are collected from individuals, not corporations and businesses) pick up the tab for you so that your 39-hr-a-week employee, and their family, can avoid falling into poverty. It's a big give-away to the wealthy, and the middle class pays the cost.
 
mac said:
Really? 20? 20?!

Well, that makes all the difference.
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That's quite a bold comment from someone who said it was "a" Republican and that "all others" opposed the idea.

Also, it was 20 out of 43 GOP Senators. So while you pretend like it was one lone rogue GOPer, it was actually nearly half of the Senate's GOP. And the Republican sponsored bill died in committee, not because it didn't have GOP support but because it didn't have enough Democrat support in the Democrat-led Senate.

Despite your failed attempts to dismiss the mandate as the Republican plan, that's exactly what it was. It was the GOP's idea for healthcare to counter Clinton's ideas for Healthcare. Neither went anywhere, but please, don't even try to pretend that the mandate wasn't a GOP idea. Hell, it's the same plan that [Republican] Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts.
 
TurtleDude said:
Since we are educating the newbie why don't you tell him that your posts never meet the standards of proof you try to impose on others
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I'm still waiting TurtleDude. Still waiting for something other than two sentence talking-points and insults. Politics is complex so let's see you dig a little deeper to prove your beliefs.
 
mac said:
You did, you cited something you oppose as the reason for success.



And I answered it. Business would exist in this country regardless of its govt or the military that protects it.
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No, it wouldn't and it never has. But do feel free to try and prove it rather than repeating your fallacy ad nauseum. That would be a nice change for you.
 
zeusomally said:
I'm still waiting TurtleDude. Still waiting for something other than two sentence talking-points and insults. Politics is complex so let's see you dig a little deeper to prove your beliefs.
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Forget trying to get any proof or sources from TurtleDude. His goal is to humilate and dehumanize, not debate because fact, logic and reason are rarely on his side.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's quite a bold comment from someone who said it was "a" Republican and that "all others" opposed the idea.

Also, it was 20 out of 43 GOP Senators. So while you pretend like it was one lone rogue GOPer, it was actually nearly half of the Senate's GOP. And the Republican sponsored bill died in committee, not because it didn't have GOP support but because it didn't have enough Democrat support in the Democrat-led Senate.

Despite your failed attempts to dismiss the mandate as the Republican plan, that's exactly what it was. It was the GOP's idea for healthcare to counter Clinton's ideas for Healthcare. Neither went anywhere, but please, don't even try to pretend that the mandate wasn't a GOP idea. Hell, it's the same plan that [Republican] Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts.
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Sorry Mac, but the Sheik is dead on. The idea of the individual mandate was actually first proposed in the lat 80s by, gasp, the very conservative Heritage Foundation! Romney included it in his Massachusetts plan and many conservatives have promoted it over the years. It was a conservative baby, but as soon Obama decided to adopt it they all ran away screaming that it was a Monster. It's not a socialist program, but a market-based approach and the Republicans should be big fans of it.
Let's be honest with one another, Republicans are just ticked because they don't want to see Obamacare succeed(as many of them secretly fear it will) 'cause it'll just be one more example(clean air act, clean water act, social security,desegregation, voting rights act etc.) of Conservatives failing to have the nuttsack to actually implement what the Progressives have. You guys shot down HillaryCare and then proceeded to take the Presidency and both chambers of the house for 6 consecutive years and you squandered it all on foreign wars and tax cuts for the wealthy as our healthcare system continued to worsen. Shame on all of you for playing politics with something so essential to the health and well-being of our citizens and the economy.
 
zeusomally said:
Sorry Mac, but the Sheik is dead on. The idea of the individual mandate was actually first proposed in the lat 80s by, gasp, the very conservative Heritage Foundation! Romney included it in his Massachusetts plan and many conservatives have promoted it over the years. It was a conservative baby, but as soon Obama decided to adopt it they all ran away screaming that it was a Monster. It's not a socialist program, but a market-based approach and the Republicans should be big fans of it.
Let's be honest with one another, Republicans are just ticked because they don't want to see Obamacare succeed(as many of them secretly fear it will) 'cause it'll just be one more example(clean air act, clean water act, social security,desegregation, voting rights act etc.) of Conservatives failing to have the nuttsack to actually implement what the Progressives have. You guys shot down HillaryCare and then proceeded to take the Presidency and both chambers of the house for 6 consecutive years and you squandered it all on foreign wars and tax cuts for the wealthy as our healthcare system continued to worsen. Shame on all of you for playing politics with something so essential to the health and well-being of our citizens and the economy.
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It's party before country for the GOP.
 
Moot said:
Forget trying to get any proof or sources from TurtleDude. His goal is to humilate and dehumanize, not debate because fact, logic and reason are rarely on his side.
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Yeah, I've run across quite a few of those in here. It's so refreshing for me to get someone who disagrees with my Liberal viewpoints, but is willing to actually have a reasoned debate on the issue. I found a couple of them, but folks like the Turtleguy are just here to shytt in the water-just like you'd expect a turtle to do!
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
No leader can work with a political party which publicly takes the stated position of blocking every one of said leader's actions,

That is not a reflection on Obama's leadership skills but a reflection on Republican values -- which remain, party before country.
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In order to come to the table they have to believe you are doing things in good faith. They doubt this about you.

As for me, I would almost never come to the table with people like yourself as there is simply no starting point to be had.
 
Henrin said:
In order to come to the table they have to believe you are doing things in good faith. They doubt this about you.

As for me, I would almost never come to the table with people like yourself as there is simply no starting point to be had.
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if we're talking about elected leaders, you would be betraying your duty.
 
Henrin said:
In order to come to the table they have to believe you are doing things in good faith. They doubt this about you.

As for me, I would almost never come to the table with people like yourself as there is simply no starting point to be had.
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What Sheik said wasn't about you, so why did you take it personally unless you also put party before country?
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Are you serious? Watch his entire specch before you shout nonsense.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Hahaha, that was funny.
 
Moot said:
What Sheik said wasn't about you, so why did you take it personally unless you also put party before country?
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I didn't, but there is something to be said about people like him. They argue for expanding the domain of force outside of protecting the rights and liberties of the people. I can't work with people like him.
 
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Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

TBH, isn't this just like Romney's "I like to fire people"
Something that when takes out of context seems scandalous and controversial, but when viewed in context makes sense and is roughly aligned with their respective beliefs.

I think we can safely state is Obama went overboard with the rhetoric and screwed up. Will this sink his campaign? I think not. Campaign gaffe tend not to stick.
 
TurtleDude said:
Since we are educating the newbie why don't you tell him that your posts never meet the standards of proof you try to impose on others
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1- interesting that you do NOT deny the characterization of your style and tactics.
2 - if you accuse me of the same then it should be easy for you to present such posts from me - but you have not done so.
3- and that gets us right back to you making statements buy NOT backing them up with evidence. Thank you for testifying against yourself.
 
haymarket said:
1- interesting that you do NOT deny the characterization of your style and tactics.
2 - if you accuse me of the same then it should be easy for you to present such posts from me - but you have not done so.
3- and that gets us right back to you making statements buy NOT backing them up with evidence. Thank you for testifying against yourself.
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Haymarket -tell us what evidence has ever backed up your claims that the rich don't pay their fair share or that its right for income to be subjected to a heavily progressive income tax and the current schedule for investment income is unfair to the public
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Seems you don't know what Obama was talking about either. He was talking about the U.S.
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Of course he was talking about the US, and business's inability to succeed without without his help.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's quite a bold comment from someone who said it was "a" Republican and that "all others" opposed the idea.

Also, it was 20 out of 43 GOP Senators. So while you pretend like it was one lone rogue GOPer, it was actually nearly half of the Senate's GOP. And the Republican sponsored bill died in committee, not because it didn't have GOP support but because it didn't have enough Democrat support in the Democrat-led Senate.

Despite your failed attempts to dismiss the mandate as the Republican plan, that's exactly what it was. It was the GOP's idea for healthcare to counter Clinton's ideas for Healthcare. Neither went anywhere, but please, don't even try to pretend that the mandate wasn't a GOP idea. Hell, it's the same plan that [Republican] Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts.
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How many of the house was it? Did the Republicans push it to the floor in the form of an act to be voted on? Or did they just talk about it?
 
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clownboy said:
They can just run that clip, all on it's own, repeated for 30 seconds and it will sink Obama.
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Great response by the Romney team:




Ya'll ain't running against no John McCain this time round, fellas :mrgreen:
 
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