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UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

It is a bit ironic that the super patriotic Americans in this thread are seemingly in favour of supporting foreign arms manufacturers rather than American companies. As the Treaty's intention is to control to some extent the arms trade between nations. I would think that "True Amuricans" would be in favour of it because then Americans could only buy American made weaponry.

On the "Small Arms" definition, I believe the contemporary understanding in most of the world is a weapon that can be carried and operated by one person.

Americans can only purchase American made weaponry, now...thanks to the Libbo pushed anti-friggin-gun laws. Where you been?!?

We can't buy FN-FAL's, that are actually made in Belgium. We can't by HK's that are actually made in Germany.
 
Americans can only purchase American made weaponry, now...thanks to the Libbo pushed anti-friggin-gun laws. Where you been?!?

We can't buy FN-FAL's, that are actually made in Belgium. We can't by HK's that are actually made in Germany.


ah the idiotic 18 USC 922(c) so I own a Russian AK 103 with an american made stock, pistol grip, hammer, disconnector and trigger.

or the MAADI AK 47 I had was ILLEGAL if I put a Bulgarian Magazine in it-it had to have a US Made magazine (so I put a TAPCO stock and forearm on it). that is the sort of IDIOCY that we have courtesy of MORONS in public office
 
once the proposed treaty is actually written & finished, we can then review & analyze it.


something your dem buddies should have done with the OBAMATAX before passing that abomination
 
That's what the Germans said back in the 30's. Look how that turned out for them!

I say we jump all over the slightest threat to our liberties like a duck on a june-bug. Because, "this ain't no bog deal", is exactly what people said before the Commies took over in Russia and the Nazis took over in Germany; the Commies in Southest Asia; the list goes on. I would rather attack these strategies when it's just matter of fussin' rather than having to go to the cartridge box.

This isn't ****ing Nazi Germany, and you're delusional to compare this to it. Live in constant fear if you, if you can call it a life, but personally I'll take things from a reasonable perspective.
 
Any treaty ratified by our government is considered the law of the land. I could give a **** what the rest of the world wants to do, but if a treaty such as this is ratified, I'm seriously concerned about how our own government will use it against is, especially the Liberal assholes that are running the show, now.

While that is true, I don't see us ratifying anything which would force global law over us and if such were true then we need to ensure that our government is not permitted to operate in such manner.
 
no treaty can violate the Constitution, so I see little to worry about.

again, the Constitution trumps ANY treaty we sign. so save the feigned-fear.
 
For years I supported the NRA. Got the magazine. Had the little sticker on the camper of my truck.

I don't seem to remember them, back then, trying to scare me into oblivion and make me shake in my little spaceboots because the "government was coming for my guns."

Why are they resorting to that type of paranoia nonsense now? Does it generate more revenue.

Nobody's coming for anybody's guns. Ain't nobody even talking about coming for my guns but the tinfoil hat paranoid people.

Really?!?

Get a grip.

Americans and their guns are inseparable. Everybody knows that.

You can all come out now. The wicked witch is dead.

Sheeeesh....

Is it the NRA? Or is it fear mongers on the far right? Legitimate question, I stopped watching tv a long time ago because I got tired of hearing new and innovative ways on how we're all gon ****ing die every week.
 
What does this treaty actually do? I see what some alarmists write, but I can't find hard original text.
 
This isn't ****ing Nazi Germany, and you're delusional to compare this to it. Live in constant fear if you, if you can call it a life, but personally I'll take things from a reasonable perspective.

Not yet! And, with folks like me, it never will be.

Remember when Libbos screamed like a pig under a fence that it's our patriotic duty to question our government? I betting--since The One is in office--that most of you don't!
 
What does this treaty actually do? I see what some alarmists write, but I can't find hard original text.

That's because there is none, its been said plenty of times in this topic already, the text for these treaty doesn't exist yet its still in the "brain storming" phrase and if it keeps to its schedule then there will be a draft soon but of course that draft will go under other revisions as well.
 
Not yet! And, with folks like me, it never will be.

Remember when Libbos screamed like a pig under a fence that it's our patriotic duty to question our government? I betting--since The One is in office--that most of you don't!

Don't call me a liberal, I'm not one and I passionately avoid labels like that. And if you want to go on thinking you're the only line of defense against a nazi take over of America go ahead and keep on thinking that way, but you're living in a ****ing fantasy world.

Oh, and I couldn't help but notice you ignored the source you were asking for. Guess that got in the way of the fantasy.
 
no treaty can violate the Constitution, so I see little to worry about.

again, the Constitution trumps ANY treaty we sign. so save the feigned-fear.

How long do we have to go through the red tape to prove that the government can't trump the Constitution?

Why not have a president that says, "no! that treaty would conflict with our constitution", instead of a president that doesn't give a rat's ass about it, just as long as it goes along with his political agenda?
 
Don't call me a liberal, I'm not one and I passionately avoid labels like that.

I didn't call you a, "Liberal", but whatever, since I've never seen you take a right-wing stand on anything.



And if you want to go on thinking you're the only line of defense against a nazi take over of America go ahead and keep on thinking that way, but you're living in a ****ing fantasy world.

Am I the only defense? No I'm not, because are millions of my brothers and sisters who think the way I do that will stand by my side.
 
Also, I don't see how anyone can "raise hell" about this treaty, since it isn't even on paper yet. Plus I'm pretty sure the Europeans know enough not to mess with our guns. Hell, quite a few Europeans make bank by selling us their guns. Austria, Germany, several formerly Soviet nations, and Italy come to mind. I simply can't imaging Europe doing anything that would jeopardize such a profitable market.
 
How long do we have to go through the red tape to prove that the government can't trump the Constitution?

Why not have a president that says, "no! that treaty would conflict with our constitution", instead of a president that doesn't give a rat's ass about it, just as long as it goes along with his political agenda?

it hasn't been written yet.
 
it hasn't been written yet.

Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto and The Final Solution weren't written yet at one time, too. How did your attitude work out for us, then?!?
 
Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto and The Final Solution weren't written yet at one time, too. How did your attitude work out for us, then?!?

yeah and folks didn't oppose such books until they were authored.

seriously, this is all just a bunch of anti-NWO conspiracist chicken-littlery.
 
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yeah and folks didn't oppose such books until they were authored.

seriously, this is all just a bunch of anti-NWO conspiracist chicken-littlery.

History has also taught is that that point is just a tad too late!
 
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What bothers me about attempting to link the political systems that were generated in societies that never had much in the way of democracy, Individual Rights, or the concept of private ownership trumping International Agreements to our rather unique national history is those same folks are quick to cite American Exceptualism when it suits them.
 
wrong.

had we strongly opposed Hitler in 1925, he would have been but a speck in our memory.

How moronically hillarious is it that you claim that I'm wrong, then the very next sentence confirms what I just said?

EDIT: Is, "moronically hillarious", correct? Or, "hillariously moronic"? Grammer Nazis, feel free to jump in.
 
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