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In Maryland, Higher Taxes Chase Out Rich: Study(edited)

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This is an issue in its infancy. Only a few visionaries are writing or talking about it. Eventually, we will be forced to decide if we can any longer afford to pit one state against the others, if we can pit one set of laws against the others, if we can afford to have state and regional winners and losers which the nation as a whole pays a price for it. I realize that such considerations are far beyond the grasp of many provincialist thinkers today. But eventually, it will be an idea that must be examined and debated.

We must decide if we are one nation with one people.

This nonsense is not new. Do you not recall "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" being said sometime in the past? ;-)
 
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Let me slow this down for you, a bit. The term GLOBAL means not limitted to Maryland. Why would a GLOBAL event affect ONLY the rich people in MD, causing them to move to other states like FL? The article makes it QUITE CLEAR that the flight, of the rich, occured based on MD income tax rate changes, that have since been rescinded. Reading is for the mental, I mean, fundamental.
 
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This nonsense is not new. Do you not recall "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" being said sometime in the past? ;-)

I have no idea what that has to do with reforming federalism and considering some options on that issue.

But since you brought it up - how could you have anything other than each according to their ability? One cannot provide more or do more or contribute more than their ability to do so.
 
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Let me slow this down for you, a bit. The term GLOBAL means not limitted to Maryland. Why would a GLOBAL event affect ONLY the rich people in MD, causing them to move to other states like FL? The article makes it QUITE CLEAR that the flight, of the rich, occured based on MD income tax rate changes, that have since been rescinded. Reading is for the mental, I mean, fundamental.
no need to be an ass, just sayin'
 
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Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?

Yeah I know. Living happily in one case and then having the government impose stricter rules on your causing you to take action.....yep, DEFINITELY worthy of considering that such a person taking action isn't patriotic.

Thanks for the wonderfully fun laugh.
 
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As far as I can tell there is no evidence that any, let alone a lot, of the people who left the state were millionaires. And of course revenue dropped in every state due to the Great Recession....

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if MD lost some high income residents as a result of the tax.
 
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Education is a national issue. It's crucial to our global competitiveness. A well educated populous is clearly necessary for commerce.
Which still has nothing to do with constitutionality.
 
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Let me slow this down for you, a bit. The term GLOBAL means not limitted to Maryland. Why would a GLOBAL event affect ONLY the rich people in MD, causing them to move to other states like FL? The article makes it QUITE CLEAR that the flight, of the rich, occured based on MD income tax rate changes, that have since been rescinded. Reading is for the mental, I mean, fundamental.

Your emotional reactions are pretty offsetting. You argue more from how you feel than a balanced examination of fact.

I haven't seen the actual report. I can't comment on the methods use. But it does seem sketchy.

How did they measure millionaires coming and going? Did they account for wealth lost? Are those people who were making $1m a year but lost their jobs counted as millionaires lost? What if those people moved after they lost their job because they found one in Virginia, New Jersey, or New York? How different is the period of 2007-2010 from 2003-2006? Has there been a resurgence since the tax expired? Did the job losses come steadily or were they significantly heavier in certain quarters (Q3 2008 - Q2 2009, perhaps?). How do they measure millionaires coming in? How is the director of the Maryland Budget and Tax Policy Institute wrong when he says that due to other millionaires moving in, the net losses are "very small"?

And how have the other studies done come up with such wildly different conclusions? Here is one in Connecticut. New Jersey. Study by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Study by Stanford.

So, since the burden of proof is on you, you have a lot of work to do to prove that this anti-tax think tank has come up with the correct conclusions. That their methods are solid. And then explain why so many others have come to different conclusions.

And do it without being an ass.
 
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Commerce clause, bro.

Of course. You have been taught the wrong meaning. It is not hard to understand what it means.

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

What does this mean? Commerce, in this sense, means trade. Regulate means, "to make regular", or uniform. The part specific to the states was created to create a free trade zone throughout the United States, because one of the problems of the time was that states were laying tariffs on imports from other states, and that would not be a good thing for the new country.

Education has nothing to do with making commerce between the states uniform. Therefore it is, on a federal level, unconstitutional.
 
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Of course. You have been taught the wrong meaning. It is not hard to understand what it means.

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

What does this mean? Commerce, in this sense, means trade. Regulate means, "to make regular", or uniform. The part specific to the states was created to create a free trade zone throughout the United States, because one of the problems of the time was that states were laying tariffs on imports from other states, and that would not be a good thing for the new country.

Education has nothing to do with making commerce between the states uniform. Therefore it is, on a federal level, unconstitutional.

Thanks for your expert opinion, but I think I'll go with the Supreme Court's interpretation.
 
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Thanks for your expert opinion, but I think I'll go with the Supreme Court's interpretation.
Fine. They have chosen not to honor the truth and intent of the words in the document, instead going off of personal urges of what government should do.
 
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Why are you resorting to silly personal attacks of the playground type?

You do realize that the Constitution can be changed and has been changed......... many many times. Don't you?

Which changes do you believe negate the principle of federalism. Hey, didn't a 7-2 SCOTUS majority reaffirm the idea [relative to Medicaid] in the Obamacare case?
 
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Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?

Willingness to unnecessarily suffer a high-tax regime is your measure of patriotism?
 
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This is an issue in its infancy. Only a few visionaries are writing or talking about it. Eventually, we will be forced to decide if we can any longer afford to pit one state against the others, if we can pit one set of laws against the others, if we can afford to have state and regional winners and losers which the nation as a whole pays a price for it. I realize that such considerations are far beyond the grasp of many provincialist thinkers today. But eventually, it will be an idea that must be examined and debated.

We must decide if we are one nation with one people.

Competition is a good thing.
 
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Education is a national issue. It's crucial to our global competitiveness. A well educated populous is clearly necessary for commerce.

Why is education more of a national issue than police? What, in your view, is NOT a national issue?
 
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In Maryland, Higher Taxes Chase Out Rich: Study(edited)

Well then obviously the solution is to have higher taxes on the rich everywhere, so they've got nowhere to run to. duh.
 
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It might help to think of your place of residence as a store selling a commodity.
They are all selling the same basic product.
Some political entities can just bring it to the market at less cost.
The State that can put together the best combination of price/quality product, gets the most residents.
People voting with their feet is a form of suffrage.
Competition is a good thing, and will help keep the local governments honest.
 
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Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people.

I agree 100%. First for everything, huh HM?

If we were one nation, with one set of laws for everyone, we could send all those Northeastern Libbos to prison for violating our constitutional rights.
 
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Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?

It makes me question the intelligence--and patriotism--of the political leaders in any state who would knowingly kiss all that tax revenue good by, rather than finding other ways to enchance tax revenue vice raising the tax rate.

The idiocy of tax and spend politicos blows me away. Never do they say, "Hey, private sector folks, how can we help you make more money, create more jobs and generate more tax revenue?" No, instead they just want to raise taxes.
 
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So we can all live under your tyranny? No thanks. I'd probably move to another country if that was the case, or fight a revolution in this one.

So if states were removed here, you'd move to another country that has a national government and no states... That makes total sense?
 
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Spoken like a true leftist MORON. Read the constitution, slowly and carefully, and note the LIMITTED federal powers. State and local gov'ts have MUCH more to do, as far as providing everyday gov't services, than the federal gov't, yet do it with far less taxation. To make everything federal is INSANE, as well as unconstitutional. Think, before you drink, even koolaid.

Was there a reason you instantly resorted to ad hominem attacks? Is discussing change not debatable?
 
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Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people.

one of the main reason that the statist left hates federalism and the tenth amendment is so that the natural checks and balances that exist when the states properly handle the dole are eliminated when the federal government intrudes into providing welfare-socialism
 
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