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Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

vendur said:
ahh, so you were just making this all up, eh?
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No they aren't making things up. The property is registered under the churches name. No property taxes have been assessed on the property since 2008.
 
wolfsgirl said:
No they aren't making things up. The property is registered under the churches name. No property taxes have been assessed on the property since 2008.
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What is the church's name? Know?
 
Risky Thicket said:
They look naked. Naked is biblical and encompasses beer guts, cellulite, stretch marks and less than perfect bodies. "Nekkid" is lascivious and includes air brushing, silicone and unsustainable dieting. We have Old Testament bodies practicing New(er) Testament religion.
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If I am nearby I will have to plant more trees or build a taller fence.
 
vendur said:
If you don't want to answer my questions, don't. Don't make personal attacks on me because I ask them.
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I guess I am just too darn nice, for Vendur's benefit here is just one of the many links that will give him soem added insight to the story. All I did was go back to previous posts and took the link from there, i am sure if you choose to Vendur you could browse through the whole thread and fins all relevant info.

Official Site of the City of Phoenix - Fact Sheet Regarding the Michael Salman Case
 
vendur said:
ahh, so you were just making this all up, eh?
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Look, you were unaware that the building was listed as a church by the owner. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. Throwing a tantrum about it doesn't help anything.
 
Deuce said:
Look, you were unaware that the building was listed as a church by the owner. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. Throwing a tantrum about it doesn't help anything.
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I'm throwing a tantrum for asking for a source of information?

Wow.

I guess i should just believe whatever random nonsense someone says over the internet, anything less is a tantrum. ROFL.

Anywa, yes, I didn't know it was listed as a church, which completely changes things.
 
vendur said:
I'm throwing a tantrum for asking for a source of information?
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The source of information has already been presented, you're just being too lazy to go look for it. What's next, you want us to open up your browser and click on the link for you too? :roll:
 
Cephus said:
The source of information has already been presented, you're just being too lazy to go look for it. What's next, you want us to open up your browser and click on the link for you too? :roll:
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Ya, i'm gonna read through 500 god damn posts hoping that information is found in there, somehwere.

Not.
 
vendur said:
Ya, i'm gonna read through 500 god damn posts hoping that information is found in there, somehwere.

Not.
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Then don't take part. Nobody owes you a damn thing. It's there if you want it, otherwise, take a hike.
 
Cephus said:
Then don't take part. Nobody owes you a damn thing. It's there if you want it, otherwise, take a hike.
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I'll do whatever the hell I want. if you don't want to answer a question, don't. Simple.
 
Risky Thicket said:
No it isn't. I am applying for ordination at the same godly place that your man Michael Hashim Salman got his degree. Once done I'll be just as worthy as him, and just as legal.

I honestly believe that naked people are more Godly and God-like. I'm not alone in that belief and once I become ordained I'll start my own church. Why do you not support my right to believe as I do? If you have read the entire thread you know that I have actually attended a nude Baptist church service. Are you discounting the validity of my beliefs or do you support my right to believe as I do?
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Why is your position to assume I would not support your right?

That is the intentionally rediculous part.

And now my man? I see you are doubling down on stupid.
 
Aberration said:
Why is your position to assume I would not support your right?

That is the intentionally rediculous part.

And now my man? I see you are doubling down on stupid.
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Excellent! Welcome to the bright side. I wasn't certain that you supported the right of all religions to practice their beliefs equally (as long as they practice in peace). For a while there I might have assumed that you were a religious bigot. I see that you are not.

Aber, we've all been wrong in our lives. What could be more human? Often being wrong gives us an opportunity to be humble just as we recently saw with Vendur. And now you. You are both forgiven. I am not angry.
 
Risky Thicket said:
No it isn't. I am applying for ordination at the same godly place that your man Michael Hashim Salman got his degree. Once done I'll be just as worthy as him, and just as legal.

I honestly believe that naked people are more Godly and God-like. I'm not alone in that belief and once I become ordained I'll start my own church. Why do you not support my right to believe as I do? If you have read the entire thread you know that I have actually attended a nude Baptist church service. Are you discounting the validity of my beliefs or do you support my right to believe as I do?
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Yes, I would support your right to worship anyway you choose.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Yes, I would support your right to worship anyway you choose.
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Breaking into your house? Blocking traffic? Human sacrifice? Or only in accordance with the law?
 
Wherever 3 or more are gathered is a church. There are some religious groups who have no church and meet weekly in others' homes. So now, it is a crime to assemble in large groups? What is the difference between having the boys over to watch the game and having your friends over for a Bible study?
 
bicycleman said:
Wherever 3 or more are gathered is a church. There are some religious groups who have no church and meet weekly in others' homes. So now, it is a crime to assemble in large groups? What is the difference between having the boys over to watch the game and having your friends over for a Bible study?
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About 80 people, tax benefits, and a lack of emergency fire exits. That is the difference between this man and watching a football game. He wasn't having a few friends over for a bible study. HE WAS RUNNING A CHURCH. An actual church. With pews and everything. He told the government and the media it was a church. He was hosting large numbers of people.

It wasn't 3 people. It was like 93. Look up your local fire code and you'll find the difference.

If I put a building up around my barbeque, put up a menu with prices on it, and advertise the building as a restaurant, and collect small business tax benefits, I don't get to bypass health and fire codes by claiming it's just friends over for dinner.
 
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tryreading said:
Jailed? Good. He kept breaking the law.
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One of the great tragedies in American history is how much Martin Luther King Jr got away with breaking the law. Why he wasn't quickly imprisoned for life shows how easy it was to be a criminal in the past. Fortunately, local government now knows how to deal with law breaking ministers who harass government and block traffic.
 
joko104 said:
One of the great tragedies in American history is how much Martin Luther King Jr got away with breaking the law. Why he wasn't quickly imprisoned for life shows how easy it was to be a criminal in the past. Fortunately, local government now knows how to deal with law breaking ministers who harass government and block traffic.
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MLK and civil rights movement are not the same as a guy who claims he is building a garage then registers it as achurch and goes and does the same again for a "games room". He purposely misled the authorities to what end I do not know as he apparently could have built his church there if he only bothered to do so in a legal fashion. Ie got the right permits and built it according to code.
 
joko104 said:
One of the great tragedies in American history is how much Martin Luther King Jr got away with breaking the law. Why he wasn't quickly imprisoned for life shows how easy it was to be a criminal in the past. Fortunately, local government now knows how to deal with law breaking ministers who harass government and block traffic.
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You poor, poor discriminated against person, I feel so sorry for you as you swelter in that horrendous sweatshop with its walls constructed of fake history, delusions of discrimination and persecution of the righteous.
 
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