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Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

What gets me is that somehow you think this is a religious protest when clearly it is not. Freedom of religion has nothing nada rien zilch to do with this. Explain to me how it does? I keep trying to understand your point of view but all i get is he mentioned the words "bible study" and was arrested so it has to be about religion.
This is about a moron who refused to follow the law. The fact he was having "bible studies" instead of puppet shows is 100% irrelevant.

It seems that according to Fox News, Glenn Beck, Voice of the Martyrs and Billy the Kid, you can host a goat ****ing at your 2,000 sq. ft. house behind your house as often as you want as long it is related to religion. Brilliant! :screwy
 
freedom of religion does not permit you to break the law.

Other way around.

Freedom of religion does not allow the law to infringe upon your right.
 
Not to my liking? Where's the logic in it? What were the violations that Salam and the Occupy people had in common? List them for me please, no one else here has listed and compared the violations, no media source has listed and compared the violations. You certainly have access to information I don't have. The violations Salam committed and for which Occupy committed must be strikingly similar, but I can't find that. In fact, there is nothing to compare, from my perspective. Clue me up.



Preist he ain't. He has never referred to himself as a priest in anything I've read. He did do an online certification class to become a "pastor" of some sort and is now affiliated with the Church of God in Christ, Pentecostal. Salman has claimed there is only God's law. Sounds like the Taliban to me. Nonetheless, he is apparently legally a sky pilot of some sort.



Don't look now, but your willful ignorance is showing. If you are going to argue a position it would be helpful to you if you would acknowledge the known facts. It is clear you haven't read them and don't intend to.

To begin with, he made an application to build a recreation room NOT a church. Later he registered his church at his home address. His 2,000 sq. ft. "recreation room" is used for religious services and he has been avoiding paying taxes as a church, which he said it wasn't, then said it is, but told the city it wasn't, but told the Arizona Corporation Commission it is. There is online documentation of all this and it's already been made available on this thread. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't change the fact that it does. Refusing to read it makes one willfully ignorant.

Handicapped accessibility comes under the Americans With Disabilities Act. Now, I don't care what Fox News tells you (and it's obvious that is where you are getting your "facts") churches are exempt from the ADA. Of course you know all that, right?



What did he believe? He believed that he was building a rec room or a church? He has stated legally that he is one or the other. He applied to the city to build a rec room, but he ****ing lied. Now he says he build a church, which he never had permission to build. He receives tax exemption from the State because he used his home address as his church, which he told the city was a recreation room. What religious beliefs is he going to jail for? He has been deceitful and has a history of it as determined by law in previous cases, one involving another church. You know that, right?

He doesn't have brass. He's dumber than a bag of hammers. You have bravery and idiocy confused.



No one is talking about the Occupiers, stop attempting to divert the argument.

Sounds like a whole lot of work and hassle to practice your religion.
 
Other way around.

Freedom of religion does not allow the law to infringe upon your right.

If I want to have nude volley ball bible study at my house on weekends I should be able to do that without interference from the law?

In fact, I've been thinking about getting one of those "Become a Preacher for $99.95" certifications and opening my own church. I believe that God intended us to be naked or we wouldn't have been born that way. Truth is more available to nekkid people. Believe it!

You'd be fine if I started a church in your neighborhood and offered nude volley ball bible study? Excellent! Where do you live? I'll need your support because, to tell you the truth, a lot of your neighbors probably won't share your beliefs. I just need a few neighbors who are on my side. PM me with your street name and city. I don't need to know your exact address.
 
So it was against his relgion to put up exit signs and have handicap accesability?

How would I know. Send the guy a letter and find out.
 
If I want to have nude volley ball bible study at my house on weekends I should be able to do that without interference from the law?

In fact, I've been thinking about getting one of those "Become a Preacher for $99.95" certifications and opening my own church. I believe that God intended us to be naked or we wouldn't have been born that way. Truth is more available to nekkid people. Believe it!

You'd be fine if I started a church in your neighborhood and offered nude volley ball bible study? Excellent! Where do you live? I'll need your support because, to tell you the truth, a lot of your neighbors probably won't share your beliefs. I just need a few neighbors who are on my side. PM me with your street name and city. I don't need to know your exact address.

Your argument is rediculous, intentionally.
 
Are we discussing why he didn't put up exit and handicapped signs? If so, the story didn't say why.

But it must be because he's protesting for the sake of religion, right? 'Cause that's been his motivation all along, right?
 
Are we discussing why he didn't put up exit and handicapped signs? If so, the story didn't say why.

No you are claiming he didnt comply with the regulations on religious grounds. I am STATING his reasons for not complying are irrelevant. He could easily have complied but chose not to. The "bible study" part of the story is irrelevant it could have been puppet shows, the result would have been the same. That is why this has nothing to do with religious freedoms.
 
But it must be because he's protesting for the sake of religion, right? 'Cause that's been his motivation all along, right?


I think, from reading the article, he felt he was protesting his right to practice his religion his way.

The city deemed his "church" unsafe and gigged him for the infractions.

I think, from reading the article, he didn't like the city/county trying to stop him and thus he broke the law to make a point.

Again, for clarity, he broke the law and thus will pay the penalty.
 
Your argument is rediculous, intentionally.

No it isn't. I am applying for ordination at the same godly place that your man Michael Hashim Salman got his degree. Once done I'll be just as worthy as him, and just as legal.

I honestly believe that naked people are more Godly and God-like. I'm not alone in that belief and once I become ordained I'll start my own church. Why do you not support my right to believe as I do? If you have read the entire thread you know that I have actually attended a nude Baptist church service. Are you discounting the validity of my beliefs or do you support my right to believe as I do?
 
No you are claiming he didnt comply with the regulations on religious grounds. I am STATING his reasons for not complying are irrelevant. He could easily have complied but chose not to. The "bible study" part of the story is irrelevant it could have been puppet shows, the result would have been the same. That is why this has nothing to do with religious freedoms.

Want to refresh me with my quote. Thanks.
 
I think, from reading the article, he felt he was protesting his right to practice his religion his way.

The city deemed his "church" unsafe and gigged him for the infractions.

I think, from reading the article, he didn't like the city/county trying to stop him and thus he broke the law to make a point.

Again, for clarity, he broke the law and thus will pay the penalty.

The only point he made was that he is a moron, The regulations had nothing to do with religion. Please explain how it could possibly have been based on religion, untill you do it remains just a case of a moron who defied the law and got punished. No more no less.
 
I think, from reading the article, he felt he was protesting his right to practice his religion his way.

The city deemed his "church" unsafe and gigged him for the infractions.

I think, from reading the article, he didn't like the city/county trying to stop him and thus he broke the law to make a point.

Again, for clarity, he broke the law and thus will pay the penalty.

Wrong. He applied to the city to build a recreation room. He lied, he was not honest. Are you aware of the differences between recreation room and church?
 
If I want to have nude volley ball bible study at my house on weekends I should be able to do that without interference from the law?
So, uh, hmmm, what do your practioners look like? Are we talking Old Testament or, uh, New(er) Testament? Knowing this might sway my opinion.
 
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Yet another news story where the headline doesn't match the content.

Demonstrably false assertion:

"City officials determined that the weekly gatherings constituted a church "

This is the city interpreting what is or is not a church. So I suppose if you had weekly beer parties you coud be charged with running an illegal tavern... i guess? Or weekly BBQ, and illegal restaurant?

This does look like an obvious and clear attack on religious freedom.
 
Demonstrably false assertion:

"City officials determined that the weekly gatherings constituted a church "

This is the city interpreting what is or is not a church. So I suppose if you had weekly beer parties you coud be charged with running an illegal tavern... i guess? Or weekly BBQ, and illegal restaurant?

This does look like an obvious and clear attack on religious freedom.

Wrong, bro. Salam applied to the State of Arizona for recognition as church using his home address as the church address. Go back in the thread and read all that. You'll find a link to the document on an Arizona state government web site. He applied to the city to build a recreation room. Go back from the beginning and read the thread. You don't have me all the information. You can use legal documents or you can use Fox News and Glenn Beck.
 
Demonstrably false assertion:

"City officials determined that the weekly gatherings constituted a church "

This is the city interpreting what is or is not a church. So I suppose if you had weekly beer parties you coud be charged with running an illegal tavern... i guess? Or weekly BBQ, and illegal restaurant?

This does look like an obvious and clear attack on religious freedom.
No, the city determined that weekly bible study in a building on a property titled as a CHURCH is a CHURCH.
 
Wrong, bro. Salam applied to the State of Arizona for recognition as church using his home address as the church address. Go back in the thread and read all that. You'll find a link to the document on an Arizona state government web site. He applied to the city to build a recreation room. Go back from the beginning and read the thread. You don't have me all the information. You can use legal documents or you can use Fox News and Glenn Beck.

I have better things to do. I only read the original article.

Were they accepted as a "church" or not, as per their application.
 
So, uh, hmmm, what do your practioners look like? Are we talking Old Testament or, uh, New(er) Testament? Knowing this might sway my opinion.

They look naked. Naked is biblical and encompasses beer guts, cellulite, stretch marks and less than perfect bodies. "Nekkid" is lascivious and includes air brushing, silicone and unsustainable dieting. We have Old Testament bodies practicing New(er) Testament religion.
 
I have better things to do. I only read the original article.

Were they accepted as a "church" or not, as per their application.

Go do better things. I'm not doing your work for you.
 
ahh, so you were just making this all up, eh?

Not sure where you get that from, "Do your own damned research". Risky was the one who posted the links to the more detailed articles and the AZ state records website. If you can't be bothered to gather all of the details that's totally within your rights....but baseless accusations are just petty and childish.
 
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