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Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

Churches are NOT public facilities, though I gather you think they are and believe the government can go into churches any damn time they want to for any or no reason. In fact, it would take a criminal search warrant upon probably cause to enter a church without permission. Churches are no public facilities UNLESS the church wishes it to be.


Even if true they are not exempt from building codes
 
Yeah, people who cannot afford dumbass endless codes with enforcement specifically selectively used against them to try to force them to give up fundamental rights should exactly ignore code violations.

That is 100% exactly what MLK Jr, Rosa Parks and one hundred thousand other people did.

I have no doubt the origins of this case are someone else on that block is related to someone on the Code Enforcement staff or city council and doesn't like all those poor people's cars parked in front of his/her house every week. City counsel and code enforcement generally based on who you do or don't know. Such massive stacking of cases also tells that this is not just about code violations.

Technically, an officer could write you a speeding ticket for every block and could add "reckless driving" and "Public endangerment" too. When an officer does so, it is because the officer specifically is singling you out beyond all norms and that is exactly what is being done to that guy in Phoenix.

67 convictions? I bet that is not for 67 different offenses. I bet it is for redundancy offenses and stacking offenses.


Oy vey this is beyond preposterous:roll:
 
ALL buildings that are open to the public are inspected for safety. If there are code violations they are allowed time to fix the violation, if the violation is not fixed they can be shut down.

This guy was given every opportunity to comply with the codes. He chose not to, and was charged.


It clearly is 100% selective enforcement and I have NO doubt of:

1. Not 10% of Phoenix residences could afford such as "fire sprinkler suppression systems" and
2. Code enforcement does NOT make such requirements and write citations against every person who has more than 12 people at their house.
3. I do not believe city hall can use zoning or code enforcement to eliminate religous or political rights and gathers on the basis of the people being too poor to comply. I am well aware that the Phoenix City government, Republican rightwingers, and many of the middle class white people of this forum, 100% believe a person's legal, civil, political and religous rights are in direct relationship to a person's wealth or lack of it.

I believe that is government corruption, exactly opposite of what is ethical and what is the role of government, and just more of the endless ways the government finds to declare anyone a criminal if they won't behave like they want them too crap.

And I'm not a Christian nor religious person.

The Phoenix city government has $100,000 to get that guy they don't like, but bet they don't have a dollar for the homeless guy down on the corner. Screw the G-people of Phoenix City Hall. Little tyrannts unfortunately given a little power to try to control, harm and terrorize people they personally don't like.

There are hundreds of thousands of prayer groups in homes every week in this country. Essentially ALL mainstream churches also arrange weekly home prayer meetings. As the election approaches, there will be a hundred thousand+ political gatherings of more than 12 people and both political parties have political clubs of more than 12 people meeting in homes every month - and NOT 1/10th of 1% of those have fire sprinkler systems, lighted exit signs, handicap parking signs or any other such BS at their homes.

So all the "HE'S BREAKING THE LAW!" crap is specifically and singularly targeted at him in MASSIVE redundancies of writing as many possible citations as possible over and over plus waves of city hall people raiding his property - because someone on his block knows someone downtown and is using that contact influence to totally trash that guy that he/she personally hates.

The government has conditioned most people now to be sheep, to just chat "but its the law!" as if that is some edict from God that we all must bow down worship. Under that premise and given the billion pages of "the law," we are ALL criminals. Its just a matter of who the government wants to get.

Any of you ever put a nail in a wall to hang a picture? CRIMINAL!!! YOU ARE A CRIMINAL! You did not obtain a building permit! You do not have a building license! You did not POST a building permit. You did NOT pay for an inspection - THAT IS FOUR violations - and Four violations for each and every nail! Most of you should go to jail for life because you are building code VIOLATORS!!! HUNDREDS OF CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS!

But YOU think YOU are exempt, DON'T YOU? To you, that is just BS regulations that YOU don't have to follow. It is criminal in nearly all jurisdictions to put in 1 nail without a building permit. That's THE LAW.

This is just government control and insider contact b....hit and everyone who understands how city halls work understands that. Everyone is a criminal. Its just a matter of who the government doesn't like.
 
I have to give you credit, joko. You're doing a better job of twisting this story than even FoxNews did.


I'm not twisting anything. I'm stepping past the slogan-line "but he's breaking the law!"
 
Even if true they are not exempt from building codes


Are you exempt from building codes? How many building permits have you obtained in your life?
 
Are you exempt from building codes? How many building permits have you obtained in your life?

If you aren't building, or changing a structure, you don't need to have permits. I have pulled thousands of permits for a home renovation business.
You pull permits, do the job correctly, and have it inspected. That is the law.
The only time you have any problem is when you try to get around the law.

I have seen code enforcement require the total demolition of a building because of the builder not pulling permits, and having inspections.

Would you be upset if you were in a building that was improperly built, and it collapsed, or caught fire due to bad wiring, or you were trapped inside during a fire due to no evacuation exits?
 
Like I've said, the government wouldn't tolerate a law breaker like MLK Jr who not only refused to obey the law but openly called for people to violate laws en mass. White people probably hated him more than that hate this guy, but back then government to weak to stop law breakers who refuse to comply with local laws. Local officers should have written every marcher violating ordinances against public gatherings without a permit a separate ticket for each and every block they walked, plus a ticket each for every jaywalking for every block, and a ticket for impeding traffic for every block, and a ticket for disobeying officers for every block, and a ticket for disorderly conduct for every block. At least 40 to 60 tickets each, so they could then order them to stay within the own community and report all their activities for years as a condition of probation.

WE MUST NOT TOLERATE PEOPLE VIOLATING LOCAL ORDINANCES! Especially zoning ordinances that say how many people you can allow in your home and why you allow them. Permission to go into someone else's home should require a permit and prior government permission anyway.

Its like that malcontent Rosa Parks breaking local ordinances. The city only wrote her ONE ticket. What whimps! They should have written at least 30 or 50. That's the way to deal with law breakers who violate local ordinances. LAW BREAKERS REFUSING TO FOLLOW LOCAL ORDINANCES MUST BE STOPPED, PUNISHED, MONITORED AND CONTROLLED!!!

Besides, no one wants to live around anyone who has a shack in his backyard. That's really bad for property values and maintaining real estate property values of LAND a person OWNS is the most fundamental of all human and civil rights bare none.

You are actually comparing this doofus to civil rights pioneers who risked their lives in order to obtain basic human rights? Do you have any sense of perspective?
 
You are actually comparing this doofus to civil rights pioneers who risked their lives in order to obtain basic human rights? Do you have any sense of perspective?

Let me ask you, what's you general opinion of the founders?
 
You are actually comparing this doofus to civil rights pioneers who risked their lives in order to obtain basic human rights? Do you have any sense of perspective?


And worshiping as you see fit isn't a civil right? IMO it is and I don't care if you want to worship bull poop, it's your right.
 
And worshiping as you see fit isn't a civil right? IMO it is and I don't care if you want to worship bull poop, it's your right.

So people that practice Sanataria could build a chicken coop in their back yard since it is a part of their religion.

Or does practice as one sees fit only apply to Christians.
 
So people that practice Sanataria could build a chicken coop in their back yard since it is a part of their religion.

Or does practice as one sees fit only apply to Christians.


I don't care who/what/how you worship, it's your worship. As I said before, the cops don't arrest you, you don't scare the horses in the street and I don't have to participate, then go for it. I'm not afraid of religion, we have laws, I'm afraid of individuals who want it "their way".

So, you think that restrictions should be put on who/what/how people should worship?
 
I don't care who/what/how you worship, it's your worship. As I said before, the cops don't arrest you, you don't scare the horses in the street and I don't have to participate, then go for it. I'm not afraid of religion, we have laws, I'm afraid of individuals who want it "their way".

So, you think that restrictions should be put on who/what/how people should worship?

The guy can worship any way he wants IMHO. That does not give him the right to violate building codes.
 
And worshiping as you see fit isn't a civil right? IMO it is and I don't care if you want to worship bull poop, it's your right.

If that was what this was about, you might have a point, but it's not, so you don't.
 
If you aren't building, or changing a structure, you don't need to have permits. I have pulled thousands of permits for a home renovation business.
You pull permits, do the job correctly, and have it inspected. That is the law.
The only time you have any problem is when you try to get around the law.

I have seen code enforcement require the total demolition of a building because of the builder not pulling permits, and having inspections.

Would you be upset if you were in a building that was improperly built, and it collapsed, or caught fire due to bad wiring, or you were trapped inside during a fire due to no evacuation exits?

Ever had a party at your home? Hope you didn't invite too many people. No doubt there's violation of an unenforced regulation there somewhere. What regulations governed the building of the national capital?
 
If that was what this was about, you might have a point, but it's not, so you don't.


I see you didn't read any of my prior posts either.

But it susre is fun to jump in without all the info, huh?
 
Ever had a party at your home? Hope you didn't invite too many people. No doubt there's violation of an unenforced regulation there somewhere. What regulations governed the building of the national capital?

I have had parties. I have not had parties several times a week for years on end in a property that is registered as a church and in a building that wan not permitted.
 
I have had parties. I have not had parties several times a week for years on end in a property that is registered as a church and in a building that wan not permitted.

And since it was on his property and he wasn't claiming to be a church, the city was collecting taxes from him. But to address you, one violation is a violation, isn't it? I'm trying to make a point, because frankly I don't care what you do in your house as long as you don't infringe upon my rights. Apparently he wasn't harming anyone.
 
And since it was on his property and he wasn't claiming to be a church, the city was collecting taxes from him. But to address you, one violation is a violation, isn't it? I'm trying to make a point, because frankly I don't care what you do in your house as long as you don't infringe upon my rights. Apparently he wasn't harming anyone.

He WAS claiming it to be a church on legal documentation and was receiving a tax break because of it (those links were posted several times). Only when confronted with legal charges did he try to assert that the building was not a church.
 
He WAS claiming it to be a church on legal documentation and was receiving a tax break because of it (those links were posted several times). Only when confronted with legal charges did he try to assert that the building was not a church.

Okay, well when I read the link I must have missed that. In that case, I stand correctly.
 
Ever had a party at your home? Hope you didn't invite too many people. No doubt there's violation of an unenforced regulation there somewhere. What regulations governed the building of the national capital?

He wasn't throwing a party

But I've been to plenty of parties where the cops showed up and shut them down. I didn't whine about it like the fake christians do

But then, I have a life
 
He WAS claiming it to be a church on legal documentation and was receiving a tax break because of it (those links were posted several times). Only when confronted with legal charges did he try to assert that the building was not a church.


Then if this is true, the guy knew what was coming. He decided to buck the system and pay the price. His choice.
 
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