Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

TheDemSocialist · Jul 10, 2012

Misterveritis said:
So your argument is that if a state is under attack it is a failed state. Gotcha.

No. This is what its based off of and what i base it off of

"The index's ranks are based on twelve indicators of state vulnerability - four social, two economic and six political.[SUP][7][/SUP] The indicators are not designed to forecast when states may experience violence or collapse. Instead, they are meant to measure a state's vulnerability to collapse or conflict. All countries in the red (Alert, FSI of 90 or more), orange (Warning, FSI of 60 or more), or yellow (Moderate, FSI of 30 or more) categories display some features that make parts of their societies and institutions vulnerable to failure. Some in the yellow zone may be failing at a faster rate than those in the more dangerous orange or red zones, and therefore could experience violence sooner. Conversely, some in the red zone, though critical, may exhibit some positive signs of recovery or be deteriorating slowly, giving them time to adopt mitigating strategies.[SUP][6][/SUP][h=4][edit]Social indicators[/h]

Demographic pressures: including the pressures deriving from high population density relative to food supply and other life-sustaining resources. The pressure from a population's settlement patterns and physical settings, including border disputes, ownership or occupancy of land, access to transportation outlets, control of religious or historical sites, and proximity to environmental hazards.[SUP][8][/SUP]
Massive movement of refugees and internally displaced peoples: forced uprooting of large communities as a result of random or targeted violence and/or repression, causing food shortages, disease, lack of clean water, land competition, and turmoil that can spiral into larger humanitarian and security problems, both within and between countries.[SUP][9][/SUP]
Legacy of vengeance-seeking group grievance: based on recent or past injustices, which could date back centuries. Including atrocities committed with impunity against communal groups and/or specific groups singled out by state authorities, or by dominant groups, for persecution or repression. Institutionalized political exclusion. Public scapegoating of groups believed to have acquired wealth, status or power as evidenced in the emergence of "hate" radio, pamphleteering and stereotypical or nationalistic political rhetoric.[SUP][10][/SUP]
Chronic and sustained human flight: both the "brain drain" of professionals, intellectuals and political dissidents and voluntary emigration of "the middle class." Growth of exile/expatriatecommunities are also used as part of this indicator.[SUP][11][/SUP]

[h=4][edit]Economic indicators[/h]

Uneven economic development along group lines: determined by group-based inequality, or perceived inequality, in education, jobs, and economic status. Also measured by group-based poverty levels, infant mortality rates, education levels.[SUP][12][/SUP]
Sharp and/or severe economic decline: measured by a progressive economic decline of the society as a whole (using: per capita income, GNP, debt, child mortality rates, poverty levels, business failures.) A sudden drop in commodity prices, trade revenue, foreign investment or debt payments. Collapse or devaluation of the national currency and a growth of hidden economies, including the drug trade, smuggling, and capital flight. Failure of the state to pay salaries of government employees and armed forces or to meet other financial obligations to its citizens, such as pension payments.[SUP][13][/SUP]

[h=4][edit]Political indicators[/h]

Criminalization and/or delegitimisation of the state: endemic corruption or profiteering by ruling elites and resistance to transparency, accountability and political representation. Includes any widespread loss of popular confidence in state institutions and processes.[SUP][14][/SUP]
Progressive deterioration of public services: a disappearance of basic state functions that serve the people, including failure to protect citizens from terrorism and violence and to provide essential services, such as health, education, sanitation, public transportation. Also using the state apparatus for agencies that serve the ruling elites, such as the security forces, presidential staff, central bank, diplomatic service, customs and collection agencies.[SUP][15][/SUP]
Widespread violation of human rights: an emergence of authoritarian, dictatorial or military rule in which constitutional and democratic institutions and processes are suspended or manipulated. Outbreaks of politically inspired (as opposed to criminal) violence against innocent civilians. A rising number of political prisoners or dissidents who are denied due process consistent with international norms and practices. Any widespread abuse of legal, political and social rights, including those of individuals, groups or cultural institutions (e.g., harassment of the press, politicization of the judiciary, internal use of military for political ends, public repression of political opponents, religious or cultural persecution.)[SUP][16][/SUP]
Security apparatus as "state within a state": an emergence of elite or praetorian guards that operate with impunity. Emergence of state-sponsored or state-supported private militias that terrorize political opponents, suspected "enemies," or civilians seen to be sympathetic to the opposition. An "army within an army" that serves the interests of the dominant military or political clique. Emergence of rival militias, guerilla forces or private armies in an armed struggle or protracted violent campaigns against state security forces.[SUP][17][/SUP]
Rise of factionalised elites: a fragmentation of ruling elites and state institutions along group lines. Use of aggressive nationalistic rhetoric by ruling elites, especially destructive forms of communal irredentism or communal solidarity (e.g., "ethnic cleansing", "defending the faith").[SUP][18][/SUP]
Intervention of other states or external factors: military or Paramilitary engagement in the internal affairs of the state at risk by outside armies, states, identity groups or entities that affect the internal balance of power or resolution of the conflict. Intervention by donors, especially if there is a tendency towards over-dependence on foreign aid or peacekeeping missions.[SUP][19]"[/SUP]

The article you referenced begins by saying it is based on Noam Chomsky's assumptions about failed states.

Uhh could you possibly point out where you find that?

The one term Marxist

No your the Marxist

flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama failed at fundamental foreign policy.

Uhhh he has extended basically 100% of Bush's foregin policy...

Our presence provided stability.

:lamo
Yea Afghanistan is real "stable"

I used to read Foreign Policy, the printed quarterly journal regularly when I was still a lieutenant in the Army. I was smart but not wise. Once I realized that most of the articles were written by left-wing, Anti-American intellectuals, I grew wiser and stopped reading it.

What is left wing and anti American? What is "bias"?

It is still largely left wing, anti-American drivel. But thank you nonetheless.

:doh

I think you need to read some philosophy journals because you clealry dont understand Marxism, and socialism.

Sherman123 · Jul 10, 2012

TheDemSocialist said:
Recruitment numbers and amount of attacks wish to say otherwise.

I agree that there are many reasons "why" people become terrorists, but recruitment numbers skyrocketed after we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and become cesspool for terrorist recruitment and terrorist attacks.

Not really.
War is hell. People see people die, when there loved ones die, when their friends, neighbors etc die those causalities are used as a recruitment tool and propaganda tool and people become attracted to the use of terror and anything that says what they are doing is justified because the people who did this killed x,y,z

Well Iraq is not a terrorist hotspot

Fantastic is questionable sense all they have done is just reloacated to Pakistan.

Recruitment to where and what groups? al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) was formed specifically because its first iteration al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia was crushed, and an amalgamation was formed to try and offset the casualties. al-Qaeda in Iraq by most accounts was dealt a fairly devastating blow following the Surge and has failed to regain its initiative(Al Qaeda in Iraq is 'broken,' cut off from leaders in Pakistan, says top US general - The Long War Journal). al-Qaeda proper if we are to shift there has deteriorated to the point where its ability to organize complex international attacks has been reduced to almost nil. The group was never an armed militia in and of itself, it was a clearing house and distributor of funds and actors for terrorist attacks all across the globe, many in its own name, some as volunteers to other causes such as Chechnya. That ability has been demolished, even in Pakistan where the group is beyond being on the ropes, it has been supplanted by another amalgamation of remnant al-Qaeda members, the Tehrik-i-Taliban members who belief in foreign jihad, and of course the AfPak Taliban, and our drone campaign has been inflicting horrendous losses in terms of personal and leadership, as well as punishing their morale. I think we are doing fine in that regard.

Alright using the logic that when people are killed, they become angry and seek to fight, how is any organization or armed group ever defeated? I acknowledge that collateral damage can have an impact on recruitment, certainly it can, but there is an upper limit on how many can be drawn to that. We have been successful because we have degraded these groups ability to recruit faster than we can eliminate them, and more importantly because we have destroyed the mid to senior level leadership or in the process of interdicting them.

Misterveritis · Jul 10, 2012

TheDemSocialist said:
Not its called a opinion because i based it off the current wars creating more terrorists.
But these experts seem to agree with me that our policies are creating more terrorists:
Drone attacks create terrorist safe havens, warns former CIA official | World news | guardian.co.uk
War on Terror May Breed More Terrorism, Experts Tell Madrid Summit
Richard A. Clarke -- Cheney and Rice Remember 9/11. I Do, Too.

Interesting aint it?

All leftist sources. Okay. As you are a leftist I suppose that is what Leftists read.

Do they "enjoy seeing Americans die" as supposedly as i do?

I cannot recall saying that. If I did I retract it. What I remember asking is what would you do?

I just did: "The use of such fear to intimidate people, esp. for political reasons"

Usually terrorism involves physical acts to induce the fear. Are you claiming that warfare is terrorism?

I never stated they are committing crimes.

You accused the US military of committing terrorist acts. Terrorism is a war tactic and it is also a crime.

Misterveritis · Jul 10, 2012

TheDemSocialist said:
No. This is what its based off of and what i base it off of

You believe that Iraq is failing in every one of those broad categories? Awesome. Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

I wrote," The article you referenced begins by saying it is based on Noam Chomsky's assumptions about failed states."
To which you wrote,

Uhh could you possibly point out where you find that?

Sure. My word begins implies that you will find it at the beginning of the article you referenced.

I think you need to read some philosophy journals because you clealry dont understand Marxism, and socialism.

Maybe I don't. And maybe I do. In the 1970s when I first began studying Marxism it appeared to me that Marxists were really torn by the things they saw happening to Marxism. First Lenin modified Marxism and it became Marxism-Leninism. As someone who was very interested in the Soviet Union I became quite familiar with Marxism-Leninism and the weak mewling from the pure Marxists who could not believe their twaddle was being messed with. Then Stalin added his twist without changing the name. Stalin wanted to justify the murder and the tyranny he imposed on the poor Russian people as he forced them into a top down, centrally planned, industrial economy.

Then Mao Tse-tung rewrote the whole thing as if he had thought of it. Naturally, as a Marxist, he also managed to murder millions. Maoism, a form of Marxism was born.

And finally the Europeans had their versions of Marxism. They had a variety of names, such as, Marxism with human face, Socialism with a human face, scientific socialism... I am sure there were other names for their brand of Marxism. And that is where the one term Marxist has brought us. We have become Europe with its ugly socialisms. And Europe is failing. They have high unemployment. Now we do too. They spend way more than they take in. Now we do too.

Mya · Jul 11, 2012

Lokiate said:
Great, a hate Islam thread.

If you don't realize that this thread is not about hatred but about the incredible cruelty and Stone Age culture of the Taliban, then there is something lacking in your morality and ethics.

Surtr · Jul 11, 2012

Mya said:
If you don't realize that this thread is not about hatred but about the incredible cruelty and Stone Age culture of the Taliban, then there is something lacking in your morality and ethics.

You can't be serious. Have you even read some of the **** being spewed in this thread?

TheDemSocialist · Jul 11, 2012

Misterveritis said:
All leftist sources. Okay. As you are a leftist I suppose that is what Leftists read.

:doh
So its all lies right? All the info, the quotes, the stats all lies then right? You play the "liberal media card" when presented with facts. Typical...

I cannot recall saying that. If I did I retract it. What I remember asking is what would you do?

You did say something along those line.
I answered what i would do.

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Usually terrorism involves physical acts to induce the fear. Are you claiming that warfare is terrorism?

Yes i am.
When you bomb someone it evokes fear.

You accused the US military of committing terrorist acts. Terrorism is a war tactic and it is also a crime.

I said warfare is not much different from terrorism.
What im saying here lets say we drop a bomb on a building, turns out to be a bunch of civilians, then a terrorist plants a car bomb outside a building and blows it up. Whats the difference? Both doing damage.
What im saying here is that i dont consider troops or the military to be criminals. Im not saying all warfare/wars are not justifiable. Im saying terrorism and warfare are not that far apart.

TheDemSocialist · Jul 11, 2012

Misterveritis said:
You believe that Iraq is failing in every one of those broad categories? Awesome. Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

Yes when presented with facts and how its rated just play it off play it off nothing to see, just a typical leftist backing up his argument and points.. :roll:

I wrote," The article you referenced begins by saying it is based on Noam Chomsky's assumptions about failed states."
To which you wrote,

Sure. My word begins implies that you will find it at the beginning of the article you referenced.

What article? Point it out. I looked back at the articles i found nothing about Noam Chomsk'y assumption. The only thinkg i can find about Noam Chomsky was the Wiki page at the top which stated: "For Noam Chomsky's 2006 book, see Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy." Which is a ****ing book he wrote. Has nothing to do with the article at hand.

Maybe I don't. And maybe I do. In the 1970s when I first began studying Marxism it appeared to me that Marxists were really torn by the things they saw happening to Marxism. First Lenin modified Marxism and it became Marxism-Leninism. As someone who was very interested in the Soviet Union I became quite familiar with Marxism-Leninism and the weak mewling from the pure Marxists who could not believe their twaddle was being messed with. Then Stalin added his twist without changing the name. Stalin wanted to justify the murder and the tyranny he imposed on the poor Russian people as he forced them into a top down, centrally planned, industrial economy.

And this leads to Obama how???

Then Mao Tse-tung rewrote the whole thing as if he had thought of it.

No he added on to Marx-Lenin thought and added it with the Chinese situation because Marx called for industrial workers to lead the revolution but in fact China was all peasantry.

Naturally, as a Marxist, he also managed to murder millions. Maoism, a form of Marxism was born.

And this at all leads to Obama how???

And finally the Europeans had their versions of Marxism.

There is only one version of Marxism its called Marxism.

They had a variety of names, such as, Marxism with human face, Socialism with a human face, scientific socialism.

Scientific socialism was born from the writings of Marx when he wrote Das Kapital long before Mao and all them bud.

.. I am sure there were other names for their brand of Marxism. And that is where the one term Marxist has brought us. We have become Europe with its ugly socialisms. And Europe is failing. They have high unemployment. Now we do too. They spend way more than they take in. Now we do too.

So your a Marxist if you have high unemployment? Wow... Great thinking.
Still waiting on how of all your little history leads to Obama...

TheDemSocialist · Jul 11, 2012

Sherman123 said:
Recruitment to where and what groups? al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) was formed specifically because its first iteration al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia was crushed, and an amalgamation was formed to try and offset the casualties. al-Qaeda in Iraq by most accounts was dealt a fairly devastating blow following the Surge and has failed to regain its initiative(Al Qaeda in Iraq is 'broken,' cut off from leaders in Pakistan, says top US general - The Long War Journal). al-Qaeda proper if we are to shift there has deteriorated to the point where its ability to organize complex international attacks has been reduced to almost nil. The group was never an armed militia in and of itself, it was a clearing house and distributor of funds and actors for terrorist attacks all across the globe, many in its own name, some as volunteers to other causes such as Chechnya. That ability has been demolished, even in Pakistan where the group is beyond being on the ropes, it has been supplanted by another amalgamation of remnant al-Qaeda members, the Tehrik-i-Taliban members who belief in foreign jihad, and of course the AfPak Taliban, and our drone campaign has been inflicting horrendous losses in terms of personal and leadership, as well as punishing their morale. I think we are doing fine in that regard.

All terrorist groups on the US State Department Designated Terrorist List

Alright using the logic that when people are killed, they become angry and seek to fight, how is any organization or armed group ever defeated? I acknowledge that collateral damage can have an impact on recruitment, certainly it can, but there is an upper limit on how many can be drawn to that. We have been successful because we have degraded these groups ability to recruit faster than we can eliminate them, and more importantly because we have destroyed the mid to senior level leadership or in the process of interdicting them.

When presented by a angerful message such as Islam Jihadism distrorted to a point of no return, and surronded by a impovershed war torn country, young minds are attracted.

Mya · Jul 11, 2012

Lokiate said:
You can't be serious. Have you even read some of the **** being spewed in this thread?

I am bloody serious. I do not joke about this.

lpast · Jul 11, 2012

Lokiate said:
Great, a hate Islam thread.

That may be your view of it lokiate...my view is its a lets stop the its a wonderful religion and christians and jews suck threads and have a tell the truth for a change thread on Islam...that too many of them are murderous dogs that kill wantonly for nothing at the drop of a hat

From putting out Death Hits on authors Rashdi
To cutting off heads slowly.
To strapping bombs on kids and women and sending them to kill more kids and women
To putting bombs anywhere they can.
Bombing planes in mid flight.
Flying planes into the two biggest buildings in the USA and killing thousands.
Stickin bombs in your drawers to blow up planes.
Killing their daughters because they are to americanized.
Killing their wives because they disobeyed them
Killing their wives and daughters because they dishonored them

I could go on for another list as long....DO CHRISTIANS OR JEWS DO ANY OF THAT.....

Look im not a muslim hater...but I do HATE all the people that spend great effort LIEING to defend them and then in the same breath will denigrate christianity and Jews ...

Misterveritis · Jul 11, 2012

TheDemSocialist said:
:doh
So its all lies right? All the info, the quotes, the stats all lies then right? You play the "liberal media card" when presented with facts. Typical...

Lies? No. But the perspective is Anti-American, blame America first, America is always wrong. Unless you are a leftist who begins with such beliefs it is just too hard to stomach.

You did say something along those line.

Uh-huh.

I answered what i would do.

A strongly worded letter?

Yes i am.
When you bomb someone it evokes fear.

And you believe that we should not frighten our enemies?

I said warfare is not much different from terrorism.
What im saying here lets say we drop a bomb on a building, turns out to be a bunch of civilians, then a terrorist plants a car bomb outside a building and blows it up. Whats the difference? Both doing damage.
What im saying here is that i dont consider troops or the military to be criminals. Im not saying all warfare/wars are not justifiable. Im saying terrorism and warfare are not that far apart.

Terror uses its murder of innocent civilians as a tactic. The US military does not target civilians as a tactic. In my opinion this is a huge difference.

sharon · Jul 11, 2012

Mya said:
I am bloody serious. I do not joke about this.

Mya, the government has launched a manhunt to find the men who shot the woman.. It was in the news yesterday or the day before.

Misterveritis · Jul 11, 2012

TheDemSocialist said:
Yes when presented with facts and how its rated just play it off play it off nothing to see, just a typical leftist backing up his argument and points.. :roll:

So you do believe that Iraq is failing in every category? That is what I found "awesome". You found a list with Iraq on it. You did not pause, reflect or even review. Did you?

What article? Point it out. I looked back at the articles i found nothing about Noam Chomsk'y assumption. The only thinkg i can find about Noam Chomsky was the Wiki page at the top which stated: "For Noam Chomsky's 2006 book, see Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy." Which is a ****ing book he wrote. Has nothing to do with the article at hand.

The wiki article you pointed to, that I responded to began by paying homage to Noam Chomsky.

And this leads to Obama how???

Are you having difficulty keeping up with your thoughts? I blame it on the poor threading available on this site. You told me I should read some Marxist and socialist philosophy. I have. It was a part of knowing my enemy. Marxism has "evolved" over the 19th and 20th centuries. It took on three major "flavors". Soviet, Chinese, and European. The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama has brought the US to the European brand of Marxism.

No he added on to Marx-Lenin thought and added it with the Chinese situation because Marx called for industrial workers to lead the revolution but in fact China was all peasantry.

Yeah. He pretty much rewrote it. As I said.

There is only one version of Marxism its called Marxism.

That tells me you have little experience with the difference between a seductive, but incorrect theory, and its actual historical implementations in the real world. People are harassed, harried, imprisoned and murdered every time it is tried in the real world.

Marxism is a mental disorder. Capitalism is the cure.

Misterveritis · Jul 11, 2012

TheDemSocialist said:
So your a Marxist if you have high unemployment? Wow... Great thinking.
Still waiting on how of all your little history leads to Obama...

If you have high, structural unemployment is is very likely because you have embraced Marxism. Look around you. Europe has high structural unemployment everywhere that Marxism has been embraced. You really cannot get something for nothing. The people who cannot get work are the ones who pay when a Marxist gets his way with society.

Connery · Jul 11, 2012

sharon said:
Mya, the government has launched a manhunt to find the men who shot the woman.. It was in the news yesterday or the day before.

They are under a great deal of pressure to do so. This is from post 138.

"British Foreign Secretary William Hague said he was "shocked and disgusted", with the government condemning the "deplorable" action and calling upon Afghanistan's rulers to bring the perpetrators to justice. "Such deplorable actions underline the vital need for better protection of the rights of women and girls in Afghanistan," Mr Hague said in a statement. The foreign minister explained that the British government was working with its Afghan counterparts, NGOs and international partners to improve the status of women in Afghanistan.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton earlier made a powerful plea for the rights of women in the war-ravaged nation after the horrific video emerged. Mrs Clinton, who was addressing a world conference on Afghanistan's future, in Tokyo, said: "The United States believes strongly that no nation can achieve peace, stability and economic growth if half the population is not empowered."

sharon · Jul 11, 2012

Excellent............

Connery said:
They are under a great deal of pressure to do so. This is from post 138.

"British Foreign Secretary William Hague said he was "shocked and disgusted", with the government condemning the "deplorable" action and calling upon Afghanistan's rulers to bring the perpetrators to justice. "Such deplorable actions underline the vital need for better protection of the rights of women and girls in Afghanistan," Mr Hague said in a statement. The foreign minister explained that the British government was working with its Afghan counterparts, NGOs and international partners to improve the status of women in Afghanistan.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton earlier made a powerful plea for the rights of women in the war-ravaged nation after the horrific video emerged. Mrs Clinton, who was addressing a world conference on Afghanistan's future, in Tokyo, said: "The United States believes strongly that no nation can achieve peace, stability and economic growth if half the population is not empowered."

Serenity · Jul 11, 2012

sharon said:
Mya, the government has launched a manhunt to find the men who shot the woman.. It was in the news yesterday or the day before.

Save your breath sharon. Too many posting in this thread don't give a flying **** about the woman murdered by the Taliban. 240 posts and i can count on one hand the amount of times she has been mentioned.

sharon · Jul 11, 2012

Serenity said:
Save your breath sharon. Too many posting in this thread don't give a flying **** about the woman murdered by the Taliban. 240 posts and i can count on one hand the amount of times she has been mentioned.

It was a savage and insane killing... I can't make ANY excuses for what they did, but these types of "honor" killings if you can call them that, seem to happen in rural areas.

Connery · Jul 11, 2012

Serenity said:
Save your breath sharon. Too many posting in this thread don't give a flying **** about the woman murdered by the Taliban. 240 posts and i can count on one hand the amount of times she has been mentioned.

This statement is patently unfair to all Serenity. People have their own perspectives, their own way of parsing out the facts and the reasons why this occurred. When someone reads the reported rendition of the facts, without more, what are they supposed to think. You very sharp criticism flies in the face of what a discussion is supposed to be which is to share thoughts and ideals and dispel that which is may be a wrong interpretation of the situation. There is no place for such severe, close minded and haughty views, as yours, when discussing something as complex as this situation.

According to The Herald Sun:

As she sits with her back to the crowd a bearded man is seen reading verses from the Koran condemning adultery, before saying: "We cannot forgive her, God tells us to finish her. Juma Khan, her husband, has the right to kill her."The video then shows a man in white being handed an AK47 rifle.

He approaches to within a couple of metres of the woman, says 'Allahu akhbar' (God is great), aims and fires twice, missing each time. The third shot hits her in the back, she flings her arms wide and collapses.

He then fires another six shots into her body as the crowd cheers wildly, shouting "Long live Islam", "Long live mujahideen (holy warriors)". The shooter then fires four more shots into her body.

Afghan woman executed by Taliban for adultery

Serenity · Jul 11, 2012

Connery said:
This statement is patently unfair to all Serenity. People have their own perspectives, their own way of parsing out the facts and the reasons why this occurred. When someone reads the reported rendition of the facts, without more, what are they supposed to think. You very sharp criticism flies in the face of what a discussion is supposed to be which is to share thoughts and ideals and dispel that which is may be a wrong interpretation of the situation. There is no place for such severe, close minded and haughty views, as yours, when discussing something as complex as this situation.

How many times has she been mentioned Connor?

This situation is not complex. There's nothing complex about it. Crazy extremists murdered a woman. Do people not understand how stupid it is to pretend to be experts on the random things that go on in Afghanistan by idiots like this? The fact that the media is reporting this story is pure propaganda. You think they really care about this woman? How can no one see this? This would be akin to the Taliban reporting stories in Afghanistan of some random dumb **** American in Arkansas who kills his wife and 3 kids.

Connery · Jul 11, 2012

Serenity said:
How many times has she been mentioned Connor?

This situation is not complex. There's nothing complex about it. Crazy extremists murdered a woman. Do people not understand how stupid it is to pretend to be experts on the random things that go on in Afghanistan by idiots like this? The fact that the media is reporting this story is pure propaganda. You think they really care about this woman? How can no one see this? This would be akin to the Taliban reporting stories in Afghanistan of some random dumb **** American in Arkansas who kills his wife and 3 kids.

Nope, that is where you are trying to fit in a simple solution to a complex situation. As already been stated these killings, "Public executions of alleged adulterers were common when the Taliban regime was in power from 1996 until 2001, when they were ousted by a US-led invasion for harbouring Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden after the 9/11 attacks." I am under no illusion that the media cares about anything, let alone this story. In the US they are not even required to report the truth.

The fact is this did occur, according to the video. How was this person allowed to video this with impunity? There are too many contradictions, the Afghan people want us out, the government seems to want us out yet clearly they show a situation that was present then quelled with our intervention. It aroused the ire and concerned of those whom they wish to see leave giving them a reason to stay on some level.

You comparison regarding a killing in the US and how it would be regarded by the Taliban is poor at best. The US and the UK are specifically seek these injustices to cease, not so much for the Taliban.

Serenity · Jul 11, 2012

Connery said:
According to The Herald Sun:

As she sits with her back to the crowd a bearded man is seen reading verses from the Koran condemning adultery, before saying: "We cannot forgive her, God tells us to finish her. Juma Khan, her husband, has the right to kill her."The video then shows a man in white being handed an AK47 rifle.

He approaches to within a couple of metres of the woman, says 'Allahu akhbar' (God is great), aims and fires twice, missing each time. The third shot hits her in the back, she flings her arms wide and collapses.

He then fires another six shots into her body as the crowd cheers wildly, shouting "Long live Islam", "Long live mujahideen (holy warriors)". The shooter then fires four more shots into her body.

Afghan woman executed by Taliban for adultery

Saw that article already. Again, no one really gives a **** about this woman, she's just more propoganda for the Australian media. We had another Soldier killed in Afghanistan last week. Gotta keep the propoganda flowing to "justify" our reasons for being there.

Our foreign minister, Alexander Downer, cares so much about the plight of females like Najiba he feels that instead of coming illegally to Australia, Afghans would better serve their country by staying home and helping develop a decent society. LOL. Legally or illegally they should be welcomed here. There lifes are hell. The fake outrage is pathetic.

lunchbox · Jul 11, 2012

Mya said:
July 8, 2012

Officials in Afghanistan, where the amateur video was filmed, believe the woman was executed because two Taliban commanders had a dispute over her,both apparently had some kind of relationship with the woman.."In order to save face," they accused her of adultery and shot her.

Brutal cold blooded murder
Video: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer - CNN.com

Honestly, what's the point of posting a thread like this? Everyone in a forum like this knows the horrors that gangs like the Taliban are capable of.

Connery · Jul 11, 2012

Serenity said:
Again, no one really gives a **** about this woman,

Speak for yourself. I do give a damn.

Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

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