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Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

I'm sorry but I thought ALL LIBERALS are immature, dogmatic leftists that supports Islamism and hates all jews and christians.

Please supply evidence of a thought process being applied in the above canard.
 
It should be obvious by now that America cannot impose its will on the Pashtuns of Afghanistan. They will not accept American norms regarding the treatment of women or gay people.

I am growing so cynical that I often wonder if these countries don't break out in internal strife in order to qualify for US foreign aid.

I know.. sick, sick sick.:(
 
It should be obvious by now that America cannot impose its will on the Pashtuns of Afghanistan. They will not accept American norms regarding the treatment of women or gay people.

This kind of American "norm"?

George W. Bush gave an interview to a Talk magazine reporter about the execution of convicted Texas murderer Karla Faye Tucker, who became a Christian after her incarceration. Mr. Bush chose to mimic the late Karla Faye begging for mercy: "Please," Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "don't kill me."
 
I am growing so cynical that I often wonder if these countries don't break out in internal strife in order to qualify for US foreign aid.

I know.. sick, sick sick.:(

I think you are giving them too much credit. They break out in internal strife because that's the way some of them are psychologically.
 
This is more of a cultural problem than a religious problem. Having had this discussion with Muslims who are not fanatics and have come from places like this they all seem to agree that the culture is the root of the problem.

Many times people confuse the issue. Non Muslims see it as Islam as the problem which in fact it's usually a bastardized form of Islam based on their culture.

Their culture is highly based on their religion. Once they reach the point collectively that they can internalize their religion, rather than relying on it to dictate to them how they are to perform every aspect of their daily living actions, they will have made a significant step in progress.
 
Their culture is highly based on their religion. Once they reach the point collectively that they can internalize their religion, rather than relying on it to dictate to them how they are to perform every aspect of their daily living actions, they will have made a significant step in progress.

This is an overt impossibility for any significant period. According to historian Bernard Lewis, "As the Muslim fundamentalists see it, the community of Islam has been led into error by foreign infidels and Muslim apostates, the latter being the more dangerous and destructive. Under their guidance or constraint Muslims abandoned the laws and principles of their faith and instead adopted secular—that is to say, pagan—laws and values. All the foreign ideologies—liberalism, socialism, even nationalism—that set Muslim against Muslim are evil, and the Muslim world is now suffering the inevitable consequences of forsaking the God-given law and way of life that were vouchsafed to it. The answer is the old Muslim obligation of jihad: to wage holy war first at home, against the pseudo-Muslim apostates who rule, and then, having ousted them and re-Islamized society, to resume the greater role of Islam in the world. The return to roots, to authenticity, will always be attractive. It will be doubly appealing to those who daily suffer the consequences of the failed foreign innovations that were foisted on them."

Islam and Liberal Democracy - The Atlantic
 
Their culture is highly based on their religion. Once they reach the point collectively that they can internalize their religion, rather than relying on it to dictate to them how they are to perform every aspect of their daily living actions, they will have made a significant step in progress.

The fuzzy wuzzies have found an effective way to deal with any one who suggests Islam be reformed to allow internalization of the faith. They kill them. And that sets an example for any one else who would challenge the fuzzy wuzzies.

I hate to say this, but sometimes the truth must be expressed bluntly. The Pashtuns of Afghanistan, and probably all of the other Afghan men as well, absolutely insist that their women live as human chattel. Those men will fight to the death to enslave their women. This is a fact we can deplore, but which we must also accept.
 
You can't bomb people into democracy.. We had a huge advantage over a country crippled by two decades of war and sanctions. Instead of a war we also had huge leverage thru diplomatic channels.
And coincidentally that is not what happened.
Would you have felt better if we gave them a few decades to get ready?
Where has diplomacy succeeded in your opinion? I don't see it.
We got regime change in Iraq. They are free. We need regime change here. Diplomacy just hasn't worked.
 
This kind of American "norm"?

George W. Bush gave an interview to a Talk magazine reporter about the execution of convicted Texas murderer Karla Faye Tucker, who became a Christian after her incarceration. Mr. Bush chose to mimic the late Karla Faye begging for mercy: "Please," Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "don't kill me."
He denied it happened. I believe him.
 
Oh, never mind. I decided I don't like what I wrote.
 
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This kind of American "norm"?

George W. Bush gave an interview to a Talk magazine reporter about the execution of convicted Texas murderer Karla Faye Tucker, who became a Christian after her incarceration. Mr. Bush chose to mimic the late Karla Faye begging for mercy: "Please," Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "don't kill me."

Karla Faye Tucker and her druggy boyfriend Daniel Garret brutally murdered two people with a pick axe so they could steal the victims motorcycle.
 
And coincidentally that is not what happened.
Would you have felt better if we gave them a few decades to get ready?
Where has diplomacy succeeded in your opinion? I don't see it.
We got regime change in Iraq. They are free. We need regime change here. Diplomacy just hasn't worked.

The cost of refitting the oil producing facilities was projected to be $20 billion.. Cheney had lobbied for Haliburton to lift sanctions against Iraq, Libya and the Stans.

So there was an incentive there.. considering how disasterous poor reserve mgmt is.
 
Karla Faye Tucker and her druggy boyfriend Daniel Garret brutally murdered two people with a pick axe so they could steal the victims motorcycle.

That's pretty sick. Did he really do that?
 
It is a peaceful religion. The actual text speaks of peace like the bible. But unfortunatly any religion can be turend on its head to justify acts like these.

Bah. Every holy text has evil and virtue. You can't say a religion is one thing or another, because it always depends on the interpretation. The Islamists ignore the peaceful messages and hold up the violent one. Moderate Muslims ignore the violent messages and uphold the peaceful. Every single religion on Earth has the exact same situation.

Don't say it's a "peaceful" religion, because the religion itself has no inclination one way or another. That's just as incorrect as saying it's a violent religion.
 
Their way of life is war. That's how that area and culture of the world has solved problems through millenia. It becomes part of their identity.

Well I haven't been around for a millenia, but our foreign policy has been really sloppy and often counter productive since the 1950s. Some of that was about the Cold War.. and shouldn't have been.

To me its always looked like ignorance or bad advisors or just a failure to listen.
 
Bah. Every holy text has evil and virtue. You can't say a religion is one thing or another, because it always depends on the interpretation. The Islamists ignore the peaceful messages and hold up the violent one. Moderate Muslims ignore the violent messages and uphold the peaceful. Every single religion on Earth has the exact same situation.

Don't say it's a "peaceful" religion, because the religion itself has no inclination one way or another. That's just as incorrect as saying it's a violent religion.

I disagree actually. For example, as a Jew I think its actually fair to say that the Torah, Talmud, and Midrash are fairly violent, draconian, and primitive codes of law and morality. However is Judaism violent? No because we went on a different historical arc that cut the tether to the ancient interpretations and practition of our faith. The diaspora and legal prohibitions forced a reliance on literacy, while perpetual minority status dampened the legislative aggressiveness of rabbinical courts and interpretation. Lack of a physical Israel shifted theological discussions away from law, justice, politics, and war, and toward familial and social considerations. I could go on and on. The reason I bring it up is that I believe Judaism and Islam are actually fairly similar religions, moreso than Christianity in that the point of both faiths in their original and orthodox form is to proscribe a code for living and governing every facet of life from cradle to government to the grave. I believe it is fair to say that Islam is more 'violent' because while Judaism shed its adherence or shifted its emphasis away from portions of this perspective (including in Orthodoxy which lack a state to control, but see the worst parts of Israel for an example of my point) Islam has not. The orthodoxy of Islam is generally unreformed and this remains a serious problem since it is less amenable to liberalization and reform. Why? Because how do you reform a divinely directed legal code? Anyways as I said before I think it is a problem to try and equivocate because it obscures very real and very significant problems and discussions.
 
I disagree actually. For example, as a Jew I think its actually fair to say that the Torah, Talmud, and Midrash are fairly violent, draconian, and primitive codes of law and morality. However is Judaism violent? No because we went on a different historical arc that cut the tether to the ancient interpretations and practition of our faith. The diaspora and legal prohibitions forced a reliance on literacy, while perpetual minority status dampened the legislative aggressiveness of rabbinical courts and interpretation. Lack of a physical Israel shifted theological discussions away from law, justice, politics, and war, and toward familial and social considerations. I could go on and on. The reason I bring it up is that I believe Judaism and Islam are actually fairly similar religions, moreso than Christianity in that the point of both faiths in their original and orthodox form is to proscribe a code for living and governing every facet of life from cradle to government to the grave. I believe it is fair to say that Islam is more 'violent' because while Judaism shed its adherence or shifted its emphasis away from portions of this perspective (including in Orthodoxy which lack a state to control, but see the worst parts of Israel for an example of my point) Islam has not. The orthodoxy of Islam is generally unreformed and this remains a serious problem since it is less amenable to liberalization and reform. Why? Because how do you reform a divinely directed legal code? Anyways as I said before I think it is a problem to try and equivocate because it obscures very real and very significant problems and discussions.

I have to agree to the extent of my limited knowledge. The Old Testament and the Quran both seem to place a much greater emphasis on justice, while Christianity seems to value compassion above all else.

Islam can't truly be reformed because all faithful believers must accept the Quran as the Word of God literally. That means the reformers will always be seen by the faithful as heretics or apostates.
 
I disagree actually. For example, as a Jew I think its actually fair to say that the Torah, Talmud, and Midrash are fairly violent, draconian, and primitive codes of law and morality. However is Judaism violent? No because we went on a different historical arc that cut the tether to the ancient interpretations and practition of our faith. The diaspora and legal prohibitions forced a reliance on literacy, while perpetual minority status dampened the legislative aggressiveness of rabbinical courts and interpretation. Lack of a physical Israel shifted theological discussions away from law, justice, politics, and war, and toward familial and social considerations. I could go on and on. The reason I bring it up is that I believe Judaism and Islam are actually fairly similar religions, moreso than Christianity in that the point of both faiths in their original and orthodox form is to proscribe a code for living and governing every facet of life from cradle to government to the grave. I believe it is fair to say that Islam is more 'violent' because while Judaism shed its adherence or shifted its emphasis away from portions of this perspective (including in Orthodoxy which lack a state to control, but see the worst parts of Israel for an example of my point) Islam has not. The orthodoxy of Islam is generally unreformed and this remains a serious problem since it is less amenable to liberalization and reform. Why? Because how do you reform a divinely directed legal code? Anyways as I said before I think it is a problem to try and equivocate because it obscures very real and very significant problems and discussions.

I don't know enough about the deep details of Islam to comment, but I can say this. I have friends from Indonesia who are Muslim, and the last thing any of them would ever do is support violence against anyone for being Jewish or Christian or American or Israeli. They're as far from being terrorists as you can get. I suspect the hostility and violent tendencies may vary from one Islamic country to another.
 
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