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Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

Connery said:
It is more than ignorance, there are no social controls to stop this behavior.
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I know.. the country is in shambles.. completely lawless. Has been for a few decades. The difference between Muslims who are educated versus those who aren't is striking.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
It is a peaceful religion. The actual text speaks of peace like the bible. But unfortunatly any religion can be turend on its head to justify acts like these.
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Seems they've turning consistently for thousands of years. Have they ever had peace in the ME?
 
notquiteright said:
I'd say if the violent terrorist, suicide bomber, murdering of women for 'adultery' was so condoned Muslims worldwide would have answered the numerous calls to attack us around the globe to include here. The piss poor response is very telling. There are some very good reasons world wide mass murder of Christians isn't happening. Islam doesn't call for half the crap a few extremists are twisting it to be, no more than

We tend to overlook CULTURE when looking for that one thing. I suppose if it makes a few fell better then have at it, blame a religion not that far removed from ours. Our past is laced with amazingly barbaric acts under the cover of the Cross.

I'm not condoning bad behavior be it Christian or Muslim, do think blaming a religion is missing the mark by a wide margin. Can anyone here name a religion that didn't give cover or turn a blind eye to the murder of millions?
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I think what makes people angry when confronted with this sort of answer, is not the objective truth of many of your statements, it is the point that is being overlooked. Of course many religious texts authorize brutal behavior, and certainly this has been acted upon en masse in the past. What makes people angry is that there are not legions of Christian soldiers, with relatively high approval ratings, marching into battle on the streets of Karbala and Damascus, there are not legions of Jewish militants ferreting their way into Riyadh or Kabul, nor are there mobs of incensed Hindus and Buddhists breaking down the doors of printing presses in Cairo and Amman. The problem is one of scale, scope, and repetition. To compare Islamism, Islamist violence, and Islamist groups to their potential religious counterparts in other faiths completely misses the point. It is a unique problem because of its magnitude and because of how often (daily) attacks occur on a scale that stretches all over the planet. It is not "Islamophobic" to say that this is a unique problem, and equivocating is not helpful in my opinion.
 
sharon said:
I know.. the country is in shambles.. completely lawless. Has been for a few decades. The difference between Muslims who are educated versus those who aren't is striking.
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For some it may be education, for others it is deliberate acts which work to reinforce aberrant, inhumane and antiqued social norms.
 
It's education and a semblance of civilized customs that makes a big difference. Too bad our soldiers aren't able to teach them instead of shoot them, probably not helping the belief in peace.
 
sharon said:
Afghanistan has gone steadily backward in the past 30 years. Literacy has dropped to an all time low.. They are so unlike Saudis or Kuwaitis or Qataris or Lebanese.

The killing of the woman was savagery..
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From my understanding, even in the 70's, Afghanistan was pretty backwards outside the urban centers
 
Can you imagine if all adulterers women in the west were shot point blank like that?:roll:
 
Sherman123 said:
I think what makes people angry when confronted with this sort of answer, is not the objective truth of many of your statements, it is the point that is being overlooked. Of course many religious texts authorize brutal behavior, and certainly this has been acted upon en masse in the past. What makes people angry is that there are not legions of Christian soldiers, with relatively high approval ratings, marching into battle on the streets of Karbala and Damascus, there are not legions of Jewish militants ferreting their way into Riyadh or Kabul, nor are there mobs of incensed Hindus and Buddhists breaking down the doors of printing presses in Cairo and Amman. The problem is one of scale, scope, and repetition. To compare Islamism, Islamist violence, and Islamist groups to their potential religious counterparts in other faiths completely misses the point. It is a unique problem because of its magnitude and because of how often (daily) attacks occur on a scale that stretches all over the planet. It is not "Islamophobic" to say that this is a unique problem, and equivocating is not helpful in my opinion.
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great post
 
Mya said:
Can you imagine if all adulterers women in the west were shot point blank like that?:roll:
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Then we would know about it be cause The View would have a segment on it and Dr. Oz would then tell us all how to stay regular afterward...:lol:
 
Connery said:
For some it may be education, for others it is deliberate acts which work to reinforce aberrant, inhumane and antiqued social norms.
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I have never been to Afghanistan, but from what I have read they have some very peculiar cultural norms. I have lived in Arabia, Kuwait and Libya with lots of repeat travel to Lebanon, Tehran, Damascus and Baghdad... and Jordan.

For the most part, my experience of Muslims is that they tend to care about the same things that you might care about.. family, earning a living and so on.
 
Mya said:
July 8, 2012

Officials in Afghanistan, where the amateur video was filmed, believe the woman was executed because two Taliban commanders had a dispute over her,both apparently had some kind of relationship with the woman.."In order to save face," they accused her of adultery and shot her.

Brutal cold blooded murder :(
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Unfortunately, I have to say I'm not surprised at all.
 
sharon said:
I have never been to Afghanistan, but from what I have read they have some very peculiar cultural norms. I have lived in Arabia, Kuwait and Libya with lots of repeat travel to Lebanon, Tehran, Damascus and Baghdad... and Jordan.

For the most part, my experience of Muslims is that they tend to care about the same things that you might care about.. family, earning a living and so on.
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With the addendum that the Pathan demographics that the Taliban relies upon to support its war effort are not the majority of Afghani's.
 
Sherman123 said:
With the addendum that the Pathan demographics that the Taliban relies upon to support its war effort are not the majority of Afghani's.
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Pathans.. like in the Bible?

Am I confusing Pashtun?
 
grip said:
It's education and a semblance of civilized customs that makes a big difference. Too bad our soldiers aren't able to teach them instead of shoot them, probably not helping the belief in peace.
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That is the problem with following a religion which is intricately and necessarily tied in with civil law.
 
sharon said:
I have never been to Afghanistan, but from what I have read they have some very peculiar cultural norms. I have lived in Arabia, Kuwait and Libya with lots of repeat travel to Lebanon, Tehran, Damascus and Baghdad... and Jordan.

For the most part, my experience of Muslims is that they tend to care about the same things that you might care about.. family, earning a living and so on.
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I respect your personal perspectives, however, there are many more variables at play in this instance and to generalize would be to obfuscate the issues inherent here which may speak to fundamentalism and/or other such issues.
 
Sherman123 said:
With the addendum that the Pathan demographics that the Taliban relies upon to support its war effort are not the majority of Afghani's.
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Isn't there some disagreement on that, since no hard measurements are available?
 
sharon said:
For the most part, my experience of Muslims is that they tend to care about the same things that you might care about.. family, earning a living and so on.
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Of course they care about the same things as you and I. The problem is that their religion dominates all aspects of their lives, and there is no room for individuality and freedom, if followed in a true and consistent manner, and according to the religious dictates that are read and taught.
 
sharon said:
For the most part, my experience of Muslims is that they tend to care about the same things that you might care about.. family, earning a living and so on.
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I do agree with you! but oh boy! when religious fanaticism kicks in in that region of the world.... well...it doesn't get sicker than that
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Isn't there some disagreement on that, since no hard measurements are available?
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Pashtuns are likely a plurality of Afghan society, but even amongst this group what I meant is that support for the Taliban is a minority and most support is not necessarily ideological in nature. But yes census reporting has been very difficult.
 
Excellent propaganda to keep US troops policing Afghanistan. Two thumbs up, truly.

Check out this video of a MAN being executed by the Taliban, but I don't hear nobody crying crocodile tears over it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

A true isolationist can say, "not my problem."

Not my problem.
 
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Would it help if we said both were wrong? Not that I think it matters, because the reason this was made a post I presume is to highlight the unique sort of atrocity and the magnitude of its pervasiveness against an entire gender.
 
lizzie said:
Of course they care about the same things as you and I. The problem is that their religion dominates all aspects of their lives, and there is no room for individuality and freedom, if followed in a true and consistent manner, and according to the religious dictates that are read and taught.
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the problem with this line of thinking is it ignores that religion is interpreted, and those interpretations can vary widely.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
the problem with this line of thinking is it ignores that religion is interpreted, and those interpretations can vary widely.
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Interpretations can vary widely in regards to certain passages. When it comes to the basic rules for living, there is no room for doubt.

When one's religious text tells you who to marry, how to dress, what to eat, which hand to use, who and what is clean, or unclean, whom you can socialize with, when you can divorce, and many more details of how to live, there is no room for freedom of thought or expression. This leads to a controlled existence, which may be comfortable to those who merely wish to follow and not question. For those who have an active brain and imagination, it's difficult to tow the line without getting frustrated and/or destructive.
 
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lizzie said:
Interpretations can vary widely in regards to certain passages. When it comes to the basic rules for living, there is no room for doubt.
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A large aspect of interpretation is the ability to completely ignore, or totally reinvent, age old dogma. Not sure why anyone would try to ignore or dismiss that
 
Connery said:
I respect your personal perspectives, however, there are many more variables at play in this instance and to generalize would be to obfuscate the issues inherent here which may speak to fundamentalism and/or other such issues.
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Oh I am NO expert on Afghanistan.. All Islam is fundamental.. see Five Pillars of Islam.. The meaning is different from Christian or Western notions of "fundamentalism"...

Islam is not... ummm.. monolithic.. and many fundamentalists are also moderate.

You hear alot about Wahhabis, but Wahhabi is NOT a sect.. its like calling someone a Calvinist or a Unitarian.. They choose to simplify.. It was reaction against the innovations introduced during the Ottoman Empire.

Most "Wahhabis" are not stupid guys with scraggly beards and dirty thobes who routinely oppress women.

It has taken me most of a lifetime to come to these conclusions.. ( I am Christian) and I am just not good at explaining. The last conversation I had with a young Saudi.. a couple of hours.. was about the Muslim view of Jesus and human rights. Fascinating to me.

And when we wrapped it up.. He said, "Remember.. you cannot talk to one Muslim and know Islam."
 
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