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Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

sharon said:
No.. I know them pretty well.. and that's not accurate.

The rift is between the clerics and everyone else including the Al Saud.
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It's more complex than that. The al-Saud is itself a divided family and it can be very difficult to discern who is in the ascendant and what contours will actually emerge. The death of Nayef and the weakening of the Sudairi branch may be a blessing in terms of strengthening Abdullah and his wing, but there is a vast amount of varied issues that need to be addressed and it is unclear what positions will be taken. Among the clerical establishment there is again a division and a paradox. The clerics represent the strongest alliance the al-Saud has in terms of providing institutional Islamic legitimacy, and inculcating that from cradle to the grave, and allowing the al-Saud to have themselves written into official doctrine. Likewise the clerics require the al-Saud's support so that their largesse and salaries will remain forthcoming as well as the means for continued ministering in the Kingdom and overseas. However attempts to move forward socially have drawn fiery criticism from the clerical body both online and occasionally in public statements, while simultaneously tapping into deeply conservative elements in Saudi society (made so by their education and religious upbringing). The al-Saud is then confronted with the problem of maintaining legitimacy and stability whilst trying to move forward enough to keep pace with social change from below, while also not upsetting the balance and setting off a reactionary wave from those they are ostensibly in alliance with and ruling over.
 
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In regard to our civilian-population here in the US we're not much different . . . I remember quite clearly being disgusted when the women The View laughed at the man whose wife cut off his penis and threw it in the food disposal.

It seems that heinous and malicious anti-gender behavior is a tragic part of overall human nature. . .governments might be different.
 
Were you US Navy? Clearly you have studied the situation in KSA and have an excellent grasp of the situation..

Nayef was pretty much a hardliner.. didn't like the movies. lolol and he was in charge of the mutaween. I know Salman and like him. I also like Abdllah very much, but he is getting up there. I have been wtching for 50 years and the course of even small reforms is slow but the mechanism is always the same.. Like the mutaween pests being thrown out of the international book fair last year.

I'm tempted to ask if your first name is Mike.

Sherman123 said:
It's more complex than that. The al-Saud is itself a divided family and it can be very difficult to discern who is in the ascendant and what contours will actually emerge. The death of Nayef and the weakening of the Sudairi branch may be a blessing in terms of strengthening Abdullah and his wing, but there is a vast amount of varied issues that need to be addressed and it is unclear what positions will be taken. Among the clerical establishment there is again a division and a paradox. The clerics represent the strongest alliance the al-Saud has in terms of providing institutional Islamic legitimacy, and inculcating that from cradle to the grave, and allowing the al-Saud to have themselves written into official doctrine. Likewise the clerics require the al-Saud's support so that their largesse and salaries will remain forthcoming as well as the means for continued ministering in the Kingdom and overseas. However attempts to move forward socially have drawn fiery criticism from the clerical body both online and occasionally in public statements, while simultaneously tapping into deeply conservative elements in Saudi society (made so by their education and religious upbringing). The al-Saud is then confronted with the problem of maintaining legitimacy and stability whilst trying to move forward enough to keep pace with social change from below, while also not upsetting the balance and setting off a reactionary wave from those they are ostensibly in alliance with and ruling over.
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Aunt Spiker said:
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In regard to our civilian-population here in the US we're not much different . . . I remember quite clearly being disgusted when the women The View laughed at the man whose wife cut off his penis and threw it in the food disposal.

It seems that heinous and malicious anti-gender behavior is a tragic part of overall human nature. . .governments might be different.
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What do you mean we aren't that different?
 
It saddens me and makes me wonder how the general population puts up with the Taliban.
 
Sherman123 said:
What do you mean we aren't that different?
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People. Gang Violence. Humanity.

Every nation on the earth has it's share of absurd, vile or inane human behavior - it's all wrong, but it's not centralized just to "that part of the world" which is how I feel a lot of people think.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
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In regard to our civilian-population here in the US we're not much different . . . I remember quite clearly being disgusted when the women The View laughed at the man whose wife cut off his penis and threw it in the food disposal.

It seems that heinous and malicious anti-gender behavior is a tragic part of overall human nature. . .governments might be different.
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Are you kidding me? I have never watched the View..
 
sharon said:
Were you US Navy? Clearly you have studied the situation in KSA and have an excellent grasp of the situation..

Nayef was pretty much a hardliner.. didn't like the movies. lolol and he was in charge of the mutaween. I know Salman and like him. I also like Abdllah very much, but he is getting up there. I have been wtching for 50 years and the course of even small reforms is slow but the mechanism is always the same.. Like the mutaween pests being thrown out of the international book fair last year.

I'm tempted to ask if your first name is Mike.
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Cant say it is, but I appreciate it, it is somewhat what I do for a living. I think the situation has become critical with regard to stability at the top of the Saudi Monarchy, putting Salman in charge seems to be a delusional approach. They need serious movement on real governmental reform, even if it isn't democratic. But playing geriatric boggle and seeing what comes up isn't going to cut it.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
People. Gang Violence. Humanity.

Every nation on the earth has it's share of absurd, vile or inane human behavior - it's all wrong, but it's not centralized just to "that part of the world" which is how I feel a lot of people think.
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One behavior is the act of an individual and its not condone by the State and its religion.

The Islamic behavior is condone by both to a large degree.

Which one is more vile and dangerous...
 
Mya said:
One behavior is the act of an individual and its not condone by the State and its religion.

The Islamic behavior is condone by both to a large degree.

Which one is more vile and dangerous...
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yeah true

10 9 8
 
Aunt Spiker said:
People. Gang Violence. Humanity.

Every nation on the earth has it's share of absurd, vile or inane human behavior - it's all wrong, but it's not centralized just to "that part of the world" which is how I feel a lot of people think.
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Sure we do but I think it's a fairly acknowledge fact that this occurs in much higher incidence in the mountains and valleys of AfPak. To compare crime in the United States and say it serves as an argument against criticizing the unique and atrocious behavior of the Taliban is not a real argument I think.
 
sharon said:
No.. I know them pretty well.. and that's not accurate.

The rift is between the clerics and everyone else including the Al Saud.
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you know everyone in SA? rather amazing. Also, I find uit odd that you're claiming people who have emerged as a threat to the royal family, due to popular support, don't have any popular support
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
you know everyone in SA? rather amazing. Also, I find uit odd that you're claiming people who have emerged as a threat to the royal family, due to popular support, don't have any popular support
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The Saudis LOVE King Abdullah.. and I expect they will love Prince Salman.
 
not sure how that speaks to my above point, but thanks
 
I'd say if the violent terrorist, suicide bomber, murdering of women for 'adultery' was so condoned Muslims worldwide would have answered the numerous calls to attack us around the globe to include here. The piss poor response is very telling. There are some very good reasons world wide mass murder of Christians isn't happening. Islam doesn't call for half the crap a few extremists are twisting it to be, no more than

We tend to overlook CULTURE when looking for that one thing. I suppose if it makes a few fell better then have at it, blame a religion not that far removed from ours. Our past is laced with amazingly barbaric acts under the cover of the Cross.

I'm not condoning bad behavior be it Christian or Muslim, do think blaming a religion is missing the mark by a wide margin. Can anyone here name a religion that didn't give cover or turn a blind eye to the murder of millions?
 
notquiteright said:
I'd say if the violent terrorist, suicide bomber, murdering of women for 'adultery' was so condoned Muslims worldwide would have answered the numerous calls to attack us around the globe to include here. The piss poor response is very telling. There are some very good reasons world wide mass murder of Christians isn't happening. Islam doesn't call for half the crap a few extremists are twisting it to be, no more than
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The later is more of an aspect of islamic fundamentalism, which tends to get more public support, while the former two would be better classified as extremism

About eight-in-ten Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan (82% each) endorse the stoning of people who commit adultery; 70% of Muslims in Jordan and 56% of Nigerian Muslims share this view. Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt are also the most supportive of whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; 82% in Pakistan and 77% in Egypt favor making this type of punishment the law in their countries, as do 65% of Muslims in Nigeria and 58% in Jordan.

When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it. In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and 76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia.
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Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah | Pew Global Attitudes Project
 
PS why would muslims, who simply endorse capital punishment, for adultery, want to go to war with the US?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
the women The View laughed at the man whose wife cut off his penis and threw it in the food disposal.
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You are holding out the women at The View as a benchmark for what is considered socially acceptable behavior. What qualifies them Jerry Springer?
 
notquiteright said:
......................The piss poor response is very telling. ........................
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Piss poor response? these words jumped out to me on my screen!


It's disgraceful and disgusting! the response here is appropiate and fitted to that hideous crime! Just because that poor woman was with those two men? and they shot her point blank? What is this the Dark Ages?
 
Mya said:
Piss poor response? these words jumped out to me on my screen!


It's disgraceful and disgusting! the response here is appropiate and fitted to that hideous crime! Just because that poor woman was with those two men? and they shot her point blank? What is this the Dark Ages?
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Afghanistan has gone steadily backward in the past 30 years. Literacy has dropped to an all time low.. They are so unlike Saudis or Kuwaitis or Qataris or Lebanese.

The killing of the woman was savagery..
 
sharon said:
Afghanistan has gone steadily backward in the past 30 years. Literacy has dropped to an all time low.. They are so unlike Saudis or Kuwaitis or Qataris or Lebanese.

The killing of the woman was savagery..
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absolutely! they are murderers, as simple as that!
 
Mya said:
absolutely! they are murderers, as simple as that!
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Ignorance and lawlessness is a rotten combination.. I don't think Afghanistan will improve until the Afghanis want that more than we do.
 
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It's horrible! just horrible! It's the law of the jungle out there ...it really is!
 
sharon said:
Ignorance and lawlessness is a rotten combination.. I don't think Afghanistan will improve until the Afghanis want that more than we do.
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It is more than ignorance, there are no social controls to stop this behavior.
 
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