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I'm on the side of the cops in this. So far as I'm concerned both this and the headlight flashing should be charged as conspiracy crimes.

Conspiracy is alluding to conspiring to wrong-doing. So... what are they doing wrong?
 
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TNAR, if you don't like the law, don't follow it. Just don't whine when you get punished for breaking it or people get punished for helping you break it. That or work to change it; but until it is changed it's the law and you break it at your own risk.

Then again I'd be in favor of adding regulators to all US automobiles and making tampering with them punishable by permanent loss of you license.
 
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Conspiracy is alluding to conspiring to wrong-doing. So... what are they doing wrong?

They are providing the same service a look-out does for a bank robbery.
 
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They are providing the same service a look-out does for a bank robbery.

I know this isn't the case, but what if it was for cop safety? Many states have move-over laws for cops and emergency vehicles. What if they want to alert people beforehand so that they can adjust their lane before things become congested due to people moving over all at once? Should that be illegal too?
 
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I know this isn't the case, but what if it was for cop safety? Many states have move-over laws for cops and emergency vehicles. What if they want to alert people beforehand so that they can adjust their lane before things become congested due to people moving over all at once? Should that be illegal too?

Totally different situation. Pretty unrealistic since we can put up five miles worth of "Right Lane Closed" signs and nobody moves over until the last hundred yards before the work zone.
 
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TNAR, if you don't like the law, don't follow it. Just don't whine when you get punished for breaking it or people get punished for helping you break it. That or work to change it; but until it is changed it's the law and you break it at your own risk.

Then again I'd be in favor of adding regulators to all US automobiles and making tampering with them punishable by permanent loss of you license.

Pretty rich coming from a guy who wants to renounce his citizenship over a law.
 
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Totally different situation. Pretty unrealistic since we can put up five miles worth of "Right Lane Closed" signs and nobody moves over until the last hundred yards before the work zone.

I don't think it's much different. Having the same wording on both signs could accomplish the same job. "Warning, cops!" They almost never post signs when cops are pulled over and the move-over law would be violated if someone didn't move.
 
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Pretty rich coming from a guy who wants to renounce his citizenship over a law.

The options with a law you don't like are....

Live with it and follow it.
Break it and deal with the consequences
Leave the jurisdiction of the law.

I'm choosing the third option.
 
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So, where is that you are going? Real question, honest curiosity.


The options with a law you don't like are....


I'm choosing the third option.
 
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So, where is that you are going? Real question, honest curiosity.

Probably either Iran or Pakistan.
 
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They are providing the same service a look-out does for a bank robbery.

Lookouts for a bank robbery are conspiring with bank robbers... so if bank robber lookouts are conspiring to rob a bank, what/who was she conspiring(with) to do? You still haven't answered that.

Which means you are just fabricating wrong-doing out of thin air like these cops where doing.
 
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Lookouts for a bank robbery are conspiring with bank robbers... so if bank robber lookouts are conspiring to rob a bank, what/who was she conspiring(with) to do? You still haven't answered that.

Conspiring with the drivers going past her on the road while speeding.
 
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They are providing the same service a look-out does for a bank robbery.

What? Are you kidding? So I suppose you think that truckers using the CB for the same reasons are criminals too right?
 
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What? Are you kidding? So I suppose you think that truckers using the CB for the same reasons are criminals too right?

YES, I do believe that as well.
 
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j-mac said:
I think auto drivers should have to deal with the same regulations I do.

Why? I think all drivers, regardless of what they drive, should be free of asinine regulations. Freedom does wonders for safety.

digsbe said:
I also think that speed traps should be illegal.

Ohhh.... I'm an idiot! I thought you meant that flashing your lights should be illegal. Doh!

Tigger said:
TNAR, if you don't like the law, don't follow it.

Believe me, I don't. As Saint Augustine said in the 4th century, "An unjust law is no law at all."

I believe in freedom, not the police state. I believe in allowing people to do as they feel is right so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others. I believe in peace.

You apparently believe in force. You apparently believe that the state knows better than individuals what is best for themselves. You apparently believe that man is stupid and helpless and needs to be protected and guided by government even though that very government is comprised of men.
 
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Conspiring with the drivers going past her on the road while speeding.

No she's not. You are implying she got in with all the drivers on the road and worked out an agreement that they should speed and she'd look out for them. You can't actually be charged with conspiring if you haven't conspired whatsoever. And seeing how she didn't orchestrate anything with anyone else, she isn't responsible for nor tied to the actions of all the drivers on the road.
 
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YES, I do believe that as well.

Sorry man, I can't go along with you on that one. If you want to go that path, I say people who warn of speed traps are saving the life of the law enforcement officer that is tasked with that dangerous situation.
 
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You apparently believe in force. You apparently believe that the state knows better than individuals what is best for themselves. You apparently believe that man is stupid and helpless and needs to be protected and guided by government even though that very government is comprised of men.

In my experience the vast majority of people do not have the ability or skill to be allowed to make important decisions. That's why I'm also not a fan of Democracy or the Republic system.
 
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Sorry man, I can't go along with you on that one. If you want to go that path, I say people who warn of speed traps are saving the life of the law enforcement officer that is tasked with that dangerous situation.

We are going to disagree on this. ANY act which impedes the ability of LEOs to catch criminals or assists the criminals in avoiding being caught should be a crime in my mind; punishable the same as the crime assisted.
 
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We are going to disagree on this. ANY act which impedes the ability of LEOs to catch criminals or assists the criminals in avoiding being caught should be a crime in my mind; punishable the same as the crime assisted.


Criminals is a little strong for someone who violates a misdemeanor statute. Also, those LEO's out there doing their jobs have a tough one for sure, but these traps are revenue grabs pure and simple.
 
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Criminals is a little strong for someone who violates a misdemeanor statute. Also, those LEO's out there doing their jobs have a tough one for sure, but these traps are revenue grabs pure and simple.

That's exactly what they are and there should never be any fiscal incentive to do negative. If punishment is incentivized, then there will be more punishment. If you have fiscal incentive to do negative, the negative will grow. Like private prison systems' massively growing incarceration rates for instance.
 
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That's exactly what they are and there should never be any fiscal incentive to do negative. If punishment is incentivized, then there will be more punishment. If you have fiscal incentive to do negative, the negative will grow. Like private prison systems' massively growing incarceration rates for instance.

That's exactly what they are -- and exactly what they need to be. Incentive to do negative? A DUI charge is incentive to do it again? What??
 
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That's exactly what they are -- and exactly what they need to be. Incentive to do negative? A DUI charge is incentive to do it again? What??

Jail is punishment for crime. There is not a fiscal incentive to jail people. It's a fiscal drain to jail people... unless of course it's a private prison system where there is a fiscal incentive to jail more people (for that private company running it but even a larger drain on the taxpayer).

If you think that fining is a just punishment, then there needs to be a system where those that do the fining can never benefit in any way from the fines they invoke on others. Dole out the fines on a punishment basis and not on a fiscal gain basis for themselves.
 
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Criminals is a little strong for someone who violates a misdemeanor statute. Also, those LEO's out there doing their jobs have a tough one for sure, but these traps are revenue grabs pure and simple.

Trap. Revenue Grab. Whatever you want to call it. It's still the law.
 
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We are going to disagree on this. ANY act which impedes the ability of LEOs to catch criminals or assists the criminals in avoiding being caught should be a crime in my mind; punishable the same as the crime assisted.

So driving over the speed limit is a criminal offense?

I didn't know cops detained you for 12 hours for driving over the speed limit. I thought they just issued a citation and let you go.
 
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