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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183, 386, 590]

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apparently you have never heard of the Independent Panel Advisory Board :).

He reads Media Matters.
 
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I guess you could buy a condom without intending with putting it to use if your were a complete dweeb without the proper equipment to use it.

Here in Michigan we get a drivers license to drive the damn car on the roads. And to do that you need the license and proof of insurance to get the plate on the car that you are driving with that license on the roads.

This is not rocket science.

Right, not rocket science. You don't need insurance to get a license. I don't give a good god damn why you get the license...you don't need insurance to get it.
 
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Actually you had to do some digging to find that. And even then it does not say what you THINK it says. All that says is that you are required to have proof of insurance on a vehicle that you are driving. No where does it say that you are required to provide proof when registering that vehicle. Note that it says "shall be furnished for each motor vehicle registered". Not something to the effect of "when registering".

Apparently you do not know the meaning of the legal term REQUIRED.
 
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Sorry but I have yet to see you say that you made a mistake or make an apology for that "mistake". And the fact that you just made the SAME arguement 4 posts before the one that I just quoted shows that you are stating falsehoods on purpose.

Perhaps that is because your reading skills are not up to par?
 
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Right, not rocket science. You don't need insurance to get a license. I don't give a good god damn why you get the license...you don't need insurance to get it.

This has been clarified already. Please go back and review.
 
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Apparently you do not know the meaning of the legal term REQUIRED.

From what I've seen, it seems to be you having trouble getting that down.
 
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Self-deprecation is a gradual thing...it does not respond well to coercion…today has been a turning point for Haymarket…hopefully..

I am more than happy to admit if I was not clear about something.

But something very very good came out of it: the person who believes I am the one who may be ethically challenged admitted that they lied to the state and took advantage of them.

They provided nothing from me that I have ever lied but they admit to their own sins publicly. It could not have turned out better had I planned it that way.
 
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This has been clarified already. Please go back and review.

No need to review. Everyone here sees how lost you are.
 
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From what I've seen, it seems to be you having trouble getting that down.

So you too do not know what the legal term REQUIRED means? Perhaps you two attended the same home school and that lesson was never covered? ;)
 
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So you too do not know what the legal term REQUIRED means? Perhaps you two attended the same home school and that lesson was never covered? ;)

Nah, if they had been home schooled chances are that they would be way too smart to waste large chunks of time in here arguing with progressive useful idiots. They'd be making far better use of their valuable time.
 
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The Gallup poll shows lots of support for provisions of the law. Only 31% agree with the GOP position of repealing it.

None of the independent polls show more support than 33% for the entire bill, whereas the same polls consistently show the opposition to the entire bill running in the high 40s. The rest are on the fence. And those are the optimistic numbers. Most polls show the majority of Americans as opposed to the entire bill.

You're confusing the polls that check the favorability of certain key provisions of the bill.
 
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Do all states require car insurance?




Those opposing me here should take note that when I posed the question I specially mentioned BOTH insurance as well as meeting financial responsibility with the state.

from my post #265



Yes, you drove your parents car and they paid for your coverage to do so. Your driving on the roads in that vehicle with insurance was indeed paid for.

It's called uninsured driver liability insurance. It's required in my state. They didn't have to pay for me specifically, and I don't have to pay for any specific person not on my insurance who drives my car. I did not have to pay for insurance to drive, which was your original point.

You want examples of how slavery sacrifices all social freedom? Are you serious?

No; how conservatives don't believe in social freedom. I think you knew that already.


Individual freedom can be split into two categories- economic freedom and social freedom. The definition of a conservative is someone who favors lower regulation of economic matters and higher regulation of social matters. The definition of a liberal is someone who favors more regulation of economic matters and less regulation of social matters. Obviously in the US neither side favors either total regulation or zero regulation in either sphere. There are some economic areas where liberals want less regulation and conservatives want more. For example, unions.
By "less regulation" I assume you mean more laws giving the unions advantages.

And there are some social issue where conservatives want less regulation and liberals more. For example guns. But, by and large, you find the liberal on the side of more economic regulation and less social regulation most often. For the economic side, you have environmental regulations, minimum wage, health care regulation, etc. For the social side you have the death penalty, abortion, birth control, separation of church and state, the use of torture, domestic spying, etc.

How is the death penalty a social issue at all? Abortion is matter of the rights of the child, very few conservatives are against birth control. Separation of church and state is often referenced by conservatives to defend the right of religious people to express their beliefs in public venues. The use of torture is, again, not a conservative issue, and WHICH president recently signed the domestic spying bill?


Allowing slavery is maxed out economic freedom.
No, allowing slavery is "maxed out" sacrificing the rights of one group to favor another. There's no economic freedom there for the slaves.

Such a strong concept of property rights that one can own other human beings.

Again, it's a matter sacrificing the rights of some for the rights of others.

Government stays totally out of the way of business.

There's a clear distinction between government enforcing individual rights and hapless regulation.

On the other hand, it shows zero concern for the social freedom of the individual.
What economic freedom do slaves enjoy?

The slaves are totally oppressed. So, it's a very conservative phenomenon.

The definition of conservative is one who believes in maintaining the principles of a country. In a broader sense, this usually encompasses some level of reactionism (counter to radicalism) and traditionalism. In America, one of the oldest principles we live by is individual freedom of all kinds, along with individual responsibility (a necessary trait of individualist countries).
 
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Apparently you do not know the meaning of the legal term REQUIRED.

And apparently you don't know the difference between "registered" and "registering".

Perhaps that is because your reading skills are not up to par?

And yet I know the difference between "registered" and "registering".
 
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Nah, if they had been home schooled chances are that they would be way too smart to waste large chunks of time in here arguing with progressive useful idiots. They'd be making far better use of their valuable time.

You're right, I am wasteing my time with him. I'm done.
 
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apparently you have never heard of the Independent Panel Advisory Board :).

Which means what? We're not going to misrepresent that agian are we? :coffeepap
 
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Would typing slower give you credibility where you have none? Sure type as slow as you want to.

Would typing slower prevent you from confusing one topic with a different topic? Sure type as slow as you want to.

Would typing slower give you knowledge that you fail to demonstrate? Sure type as slow as you want.

Would typing slower flesh out your silly drive by posts in which you say nothing of actual substance? Sure type as slow as you want.

Can the personal attacks stop and let's get back to debating ideas.
 
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Which means what? We're not going to misrepresent that agian are we? :coffeepap

I don't think we should misrepresent anything. That being said I do think to have effective change to the health care system there will be necessary rationing if people want to call it that.

So here goes. I SUPPORT RATIONING.
 
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I don't think we should misrepresent anything. That being said I do think to have effective change to the health care system there will be necessary rationing if people want to call it that.

So here goes. I SUPPORT RATIONING.

Whether you supported it or not, this is not rationing. When you're poor, you don't what you want on demand. When you have insurance, you don't get everything you want paid for on demand. All the board does, as your insurance company does and as you do, is measure what treatemnts are effective and which ones they will pay for. No one is "rationed." Like with your insurance company, if you want more, you can buy more. It is dishonest to call this rationing.
 
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Is it true, that because the mandate portion has been labeled a "tax" by the Supreme Court, that 51 votes are needed to shoot down this bill?
 
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Is it true, that because the mandate portion has been labeled a "tax" by the Supreme Court, that 51 votes are needed to shoot down this bill?

The reconciliation process could probably be used to get rid of the mandate, yes. But it would not be sufficient to repeal the entire law.
 
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Whether you supported it or not, this is not rationing. When you're poor, you don't what you want on demand. When you have insurance, you don't get everything you want paid for on demand. All the board does, as your insurance company does and as you do, is measure what treatemnts are effective and which ones they will pay for. No one is "rationed." Like with your insurance company, if you want more, you can buy more. It is dishonest to call this rationing.

If you care to notice, I did not call it rationing. I said we will need to ration to have a system that works. All rationing is to me is that not everyone will get everything they want.

I think that this board is so partisan that every word is seen as some sneak attack on their POV, which poisons, rather than encourages healthy debate.
 
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Thank you for your response. Do you support the bill?
 
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I think that this board is so partisan that every word is seen as some sneak attack on their POV, which poisons, rather than encourages healthy debate.

I agree totally with this...and it seems to be getting worse lately...I guess due to presidential election year???
 
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I agree totally with this...and it seems to be getting worse lately...I guess due to presidential election year???

Think it is due to two things. Some posters seem to do this as some type of job, not sure if they get paid or are just hyper partisans. Then there are some who have been here for a while, their arguments have been debunked and now they are left with personal attacks as their sole defense. Would appreciate hearing your thoughts.
 
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