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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Thunder said:
$650 a year in order to have guarunteed coverage for all pre-existing conditions, sounds like a good deal to me.
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People tend to forget how much it's going to cost them should they suddenly get kidney disease, cancer or the like, and not have insurance...and not just that, but the price Americans already pay when uninsured people get sick and cant pay their bills. Hospitals donate cases as 'charity' while other patients end up filing bankruptcy..both of which are added to everyone else's medical bills.
(For more than financial reasons) it makes sense to require health insurance.
 
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From AARP emailer about Obamacare....

Obamacare will make some drugs under the prescription program cost half of what they are now for seniors. Mamagrams will be copay and deductible free, now there is a copay and deductible for a yearly mamogram. and some other tests will be copay free for seniors. Other than that AARP says nothing will change. None of the affects me I will have my own personal medicare back up when I get on it in a few months.

The mailer also said...kids can be covered by parents insurance to a much later age...No one can be refused for a pre existing condition and insurers cannot put a dollar figure limit on lifetime insurance coverage.
AARP also states that it drains medicare to pay for obamacare is also false...I dont remember everything it said thats the basic drift
 
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Flippinfunky said:
People tend to forget how much it's going to cost them should they suddenly get kidney disease, cancer or the like, and not have insurance...and not just that, but the price Americans already pay when uninsured people get sick and cant pay their bills. Hospitals donate cases as 'charity' while other patients end up filing bankruptcy..both of which are added to everyone else's medical bills.
(For more than financial reasons) it makes sense to require health insurance.
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The "insurance companies make stuff free" argument.

If someone gets kidney disease while having insurance, it still costs money, it's spread out to other insurancee's while the insurance company still maintains a profit.

As a Liberal you should be for nationalized health care where big bad insurance corporations don't make a profit. In fact now big bad insurance corporations are going to be making more big bad corporation profits the exact same way car insurance companies got richer after car insurance was mandated.

Insurance companies are like bankers and lawyers, and gambling casinos, they add no value to an economy, they don't produce anything, they just suck money away from people so old money gets older.

If this is a slight of hand trick by Democrats to make Republicans want nationalize health care, HEY YOU WON! DO IT! YOU WIN! WE LOSE! NEED THERE TO BE MORE TO BE SAID?!!

*throws hands up*

I SURRENDER!

*waves white flag*
 
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Matt Foley said:
The "insurance companies make stuff free" argument.

If someone gets kidney disease while having insurance, it still costs money, it's spread out to other insurancee's while the insurance company still maintains a profit.

As a Liberal you should be for nationalized health care where big bad insurance corporations don't make a profit. In fact now big bad insurance corporations are going to be making more big bad corporation profits the exact same way car insurance companies got richer after car insurance was mandated.
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Then the only ones that should have any complaints are the few that are going to have buy health insurance, for the rest it sounds like a win win for most everyone else using your facts
 
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lpast said:
Then the only ones that should have any complaints are the few that are going to have buy health insurance, for the rest it sounds like a win win for most everyone else using your facts
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You know car insurance was much cheaper before it was made a mandate.
 
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Matt Foley said:
The "insurance companies make stuff free" argument.

If someone gets kidney disease while having insurance, it still costs money, it's spread out to other insurancee's while the insurance company still maintains a profit.

As a Liberal you should be for nationalized health care where big bad insurance corporations don't make a profit. In fact now big bad insurance corporations are going to be making more big bad corporation profits the exact same way car insurance companies got richer after car insurance was mandated.

Insurance companies are like bankers and lawyers, and gambling casinos, they add no value to an economy, they don't produce anything, they just suck money away from people so old money gets older.
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How many not for profit health insurance companies do we have?

At this point, since we dont have many options, I dont really give a **** if they're making more money , I have Lupus... it's expensive and I need coverage.
I also have a girlfriend dying from Mesothelioma who was $50,000 in debt within her first four months of being diagnosed because she had no insurance. And no, companies dont just hand you money when you get Mesothelioma...its a long drawn out legal battle and in the meantime you have to sell your house, car and everything you've spent your life working for to pay your medical bills. Imagine having colon, breast, bladder or lung cancer with no monetary award coming and having no insurance. Unbelievable what an illness of such will do to you financially, which adds to the physical and emotional toll.

As a liberal, I should be compassionate and logical.
 
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lpast said:
From AARP emailer about Obamacare....

Obamacare will make some drugs under the prescription program cost half of what they are now for seniors. Mamagrams will be copay and deductible free, now there is a copay and deductible for a yearly mamogram. and some other tests will be copay free for seniors. Other than that AARP says nothing will change. None of the affects me I will have my own personal medicare back up when I get on it in a few months.
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:roll: yeah, and that's why AARP had such a flood of seniors quitting in disgust.

But gosh. Why would AARP choose to back something that will be bad for Seniors?

Hint: They got about a Billion Reasons.

The mailer also said...kids can be covered by parents insurance to a much later age...No one can be refused for a pre existing condition and insurers cannot put a dollar figure limit on lifetime insurance coverage.
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those things are true, and they are why Obamacare will cause insurance premiums to skyrocket beyond anything we have seen before.

AARP also states that it drains medicare to pay for obamacare is also false...
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yeah? well the Chief Actuary for Medicare says that the AARP is full of ****. Obamacare takes a cool $557 Bn from Medicare over the next 10 years and a little under $3 Trillion over the next 20. :lol: you know how you are always railing against Ryan's cuts? Obama cuts Medicare by more than Ryan. Furthermore, Ryan wouldn't have cut your benefit by a penny. Obama starts cutting your benefit in 2014. Good luck getting healthcare down there in Florida when 74% of Doctors Stop Accepting Medicare Patients.

ah,the irony. Obama is ****ing you over harder than a sideways pineapple..... and you come here and rail about the Tea Party. Because the AARP and your union tell you to.
 
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Flippinfunky said:
As a liberal, I should be compassionate and logical.
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Awesome, use your logic on this.

Under the mandate, I get charged about $300 if I don't purchase health insurance.

However,thanks to the fact that insurance has to take me no matter what, I am effectively covered - I can apply if I get hurt or sick and they have to take me and can't charge me any extra for my waiting.

Health Insurance for a family of four is around $11,000.

SO

I can' pay $11,000 for coverage, or $300 for coverage.

Which will I (and millions upon millions of Americans) choose?
 
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Matt Foley said:
You know car insurance was much cheaper before it was made a mandate.
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Did you know that if you got hit by someone with no auto insurance back then you WERE stuck for the whole bill...before no fault if an uninsured motorist totaled you car...you were SCREWED.
 
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ou know car insurance was much cheaper before it was made a mandate.

lpast said:
Did you know that if you got hit by someone with no auto insurance back then you WERE stuck for the whole bill...before no fault if an uninsured motorist totaled you car...you were SCREWED.
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Policy By Anecdote. PBA

Read what I said again.
 
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Flippinfunky said:
How many not for profit health insurance companies do we have?

At this point, since we dont have many options, I dont really give a **** if they're making more money
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Of course you don't care, as a stereotypical American who only thinks with their stomach or testicle.

*grabs crotch* OH BOYEEEEE
 
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cpwill said:
Awesome, use your logic on this.

Under the mandate, I get charged about $300 if I don't purchase health insurance.

However,thanks to the fact that insurance has to take me no matter what, I am effectively covered - I can apply if I get hurt or sick and they have to take me and can't charge me any extra for my waiting.

Cp..under the mandate per aarp mailer they say the 300 figure is false...if you dont buy insurance there is a 95.00 fine per year.

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Health Insurance for a family of four is around $11,000.

SO

I can' pay $11,000 for coverage, or $300 for coverage.




Which will I (and millions upon millions of Americans) choose?
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Let me give you another side to the coin ok...Cosmetologists notoriously work or worked under the irs radar...much of what they made was cash tips...very little of their actual income was taxed. Same for waitress waitress and bartenders....most of them do not pay for their own health insurance and many can afford it...WE PAY when they go to the emergency room.
My wife had a long time manager a single gay woman...never married...who made around 80-100k a year and would not buy health insurance and every time she got sick she got around paying...she broke her leg skiiing and didnt pay a dime...theres two sides to every coin CP...there are financially secure people sucking off our teat its not just the "UNSUCCESSFUL or the poor...theres a whole swoop of people that can easily afford healthcare and refuse to pay for it...they think they should have it free.
 
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Agreed they should pay. If they are poor, they rate Medicaid. If they aren't, medical debt. Too bad, So Sad, you made a bet, it went wrong. If it breaks you, guess what? You'll rate Medicaid.


However, that doesn't change the fact that under Obamacare the incentives to not purchase insurance are vast, and the incentives for only the sick and broke to purchase insurance are equally large.
 
mac said:
It was argued to be both a fine and a Tax actually. Which is why the court threw out fine and accepted tax.
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And it is semantics in the end. It can also be called a "fee".. Texas has no taxes after all.. just lots of "fees"... this is no different.
 
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Flippinfunky said:
People tend to forget how much it's going to cost them should they suddenly get kidney disease, cancer or the like, and not have insurance...and not just that, but the price Americans already pay when uninsured people get sick and cant pay their bills. Hospitals donate cases as 'charity' while other patients end up filing bankruptcy..both of which are added to everyone else's medical bills.
(For more than financial reasons) it makes sense to require health insurance.
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Yes, but there should be options in the kind of healthcare you want to insure and I hope that is possible in this plan. Here in the Netherlands everybody is mandated to have basic health insurance but most people take additional packages for more inclusive services. In the basic insurance is hospital care, doctors costs (for what the English call GP and dutch call huisarts, your local physician who is not working at the hospital), cost of medicine and various other stuff like midwife, pre-natal clinics, etc., some kinds of physiotherapy and other things. If you want extra things like the insurer paying for alternative medical practices, additional services not included in the basic package you can buy additional insurance.

The good thing of the Dutch basic insurance and now obamacare is that insurance companies can no longer turn away patients with already existing conditions or unfairly deny people the healthcare that they need. If nothing else, that is a true victory for all who are ill in the US today.
 
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cpwill said:
Agreed they should pay. If they are poor, they rate Medicaid. If they aren't, medical debt. Too bad, So Sad, you made a bet, it went wrong. If it breaks you, guess what? You'll rate Medicaid.


However, that doesn't change the fact that under Obamacare the incentives to not purchase insurance are vast, and the incentives for only the sick and broke to purchase insurance are equally large.
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Are you aware that medicaid pays for and covers and COSTS far more than obamacare ever would....medicad pays for top of the line hearing aids 6,000 no private health insurers pay for hearing aids except military hospitals and clinics. They pay for full eyeglass' and dental care no other health insurance provides that except veteran care.
If obamacare trashs medicaid eventually it will be a huge savings...there is alot of waste and fraud in medicaid and medicare..medicare does not cover nearly as much as medicaid and theres copays and deductibles that medicaid does not share
 
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lpast said:
Are you aware that medicaid pays for and covers and COSTS far more than obamacare ever would....medicad pays for top of the line hearing aids 6,000 no private health insurers pay for hearing aids except military hospitals and clinics. They pay for full eyeglass' and dental care no other health insurance provides that except veteran care.
If obamacare trashs medicaid eventually it will be a huge savings...there is alot of waste and fraud in medicaid and medicare..medicare does not cover nearly as much as medicaid and theres copays and deductibles that medicaid does not share
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Yes, and it is going broke. Good plan, let's all do that! See, the problem is that libs never seem to learn that what they want doesn't work, they just keep doing more of it.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Uh-huh ... sure. :roll:
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Oh yea, you're gonna see "new and improved" taxes. Well unless you're on the govt dole now. But if not, open that wallet wide. Here comes Big "Daddy" Government" and his hand open.

Surely you aren't one of those folks who believe the "rich" can foot this bill? Now that's funny! :lamo
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
In large part, from the money saved by not having to pay for those using emergency rooms for their primary healthcare.Another big chunk coming from individuals making over $200K per year and families making over $250K.
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Yes and doctors are now going to make house calls, especially for you.

Whew . . . . on a clear day you can see forever! Face facts you're gonna have to pay. What part of "it's a tax" don't you get?
 
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johnny_rebson said:
You are going to send money to the guy who created RomneyCare?
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Yup, I'm gonna vote, campaign for, and send as much money as I can to the Romney campaign.
 
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lpast said:
Did you know that if you got hit by someone with no auto insurance back then you WERE stuck for the whole bill...before no fault if an uninsured motorist totaled you car...you were SCREWED.
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I guess that's why car policies at the time had a "Uninsured motorist" coverage line item.....oh wait, they still do.
 
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mac said:
It always amazes me when people completely ignore the lead up to something horrendous.

You watch, brother. Next year is gonna hurt.

(edit: you do realize that 15,000 new IRS positions were defined in the Obamacare bill right?)
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Hey this is another plus for the progressives. Not only are the majority of taxpayers gonna foot the bill for the travesty, but Obama has created jobs too! :mrgreen:
 
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American said:
Roberts really came out of left field, didn't he? I'm wondering if there isn't more to that decision than meets the eye. We'll see.
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Especially since the desenters threw everything, on this HC bill, out.

Strange in deed.
 
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makes me suspicious that he started with his result and worked backwards. Krauthammer has an interesting piece on this.
 
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