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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

Come on Redress read the opinion...That is old news............Since Justice Roberts designated the payment a tax today what was said before does not matter...........Today it is the biggest tax to the middle class in the history of this country.......That is how we will pay for Obamacare on the backs of the middle class..........

Reality starts today? Really? Can you show me what new taxes are not mentioned in the article? And why do you never source your claims?
 
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Dude, really? The only people paying the tax are those that can't afford healthcare premiums. That ain't folks making over 200k a year.

Listen to your own rhetoric.

that just the mandate... there are 21 other tax increases within obamacare .
most will be felt by everyone( directly or indirectly).... and a few that are only for the rich.

the mandate "tax" will be primarily born by the middle class ( the poor get free stuff, the rich can afford it and probably have it already, the middle class will be stuck with the decision).


while this is not the largest tax increase in history ( as some pundits are saying).. it's in the top 5... it's a substantial overall tax increase.
the upcoming campaigns will surely joust over it ;)
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

Is that so?....

The individual mandate isn’t Obamacare’s only unconstitutional provision, or even its most unconstitutional provision. That distinction belongs to the Independent Payment Advisory Board. A heretofore unreported feature of this super-legislature makes it even more authoritarian and dangerous than anyone knew.

IPAB consists of up to 15 unelected government “experts.” Its stated purpose is to restrain Medicare spending. If projected spending exceeds certain targets, Obamacare requires IPAB to issue “legislative proposals” to reduce future spending. Those proposals could include drastic cuts that jeopardize seniors’ access to care, leading some critics to label IPAB a “death panel.”

But the really dangerous part is that these are not mere “proposals.” Obamacare requires the secretary of Health and Human Services to implement them — which means they become law automatically — unless Congress takes certain steps to head them off. Congress may replace the Board’s proposal with its own cuts, at least initially. But Obamacare requires a three-fifths vote in the Senate to pass any replacement that spends more than the Board’s proposal. In other words, to override IPAB’s proposal completely, opponents must assemble a simple majority in the House and a three-fifths majority in the Senate and the president’s signature.

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That makes IPAB more than an advisory board. It’s a super-legislature whose members are more powerful than members of Congress. If eight members of Congress propose a bill, all that’s necessary to block it is a majority of either chamber, or one-third of either chamber plus the president.
Worse, Obamacare forbids Congress to repeal IPAB outside of a brief window in the year 2017 — and even then requires a three-fifths supermajority in both chambers plus a presidential signature. Under Obamacare, after 2017 Congress could repeal Medicare, but not the board it created to run Medicare. Congress and the states could repeal the Bill of Rights — but not IPAB.

IPAB, Obamacare

Still lyin' I see.

The liars are the righties who are still shrieking about "death panels" ...

Palin revives 'death panels' claim ahead of Supreme Court decision

"Though I was called a liar for calling it like it is, many of these accusers finally saw that Obamacare did in fact create a panel of faceless bureaucrats who have the power to make life and death decisions about health care funding," she wrote Monday.

But Palin's initial comments make no mention of the IPAB. At the time, she referred to a proposal in the House's healthcare bill to have Medicare reimburse doctors for discussing end-of-life planning with their elderly patients.

The House bill did not include the IPAB at all, and in the wake of Palin's remarks, end-of-life planning was axed from the Senate bill that Obama ultimately signed.


Ouch! That one's gonna leave a mark. :lamo
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

Straw men arguments are not good arguments, Hint: I never claimed it was not a tax.

So you are saying the SCOTUS ruling added taxes? Funny, I was unaware of that. The article did mention the penalty and the amount.

If you never claimed it was not a tax, how is my claiming it is a tax a straw-man?


Dude, really. You can do better.

The SCOTUS ruling did not add a tax, it defined the Obamacare individual mandate a TAX despite the Obama administration's vehement promise to provide universal healthcare without additional taxes. This has been proven to be a lie. If it were not a lie, the Obama administration would have pledged to rewrite the law following the SCOTUS decision in their effort to avoid additional taxes, which of course, they did not do.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

So you are saying the SCOTUS ruling added taxes? Funny, I was unaware of that.

No, Obama leveled the biggest tax in history....But nice try at re wording the truth, and so close to the decision too....points for instant dishonesty.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

To overturn this is going to require GOP majorities in the Senate and House and for Romney to win the presidency. It could happen, but I wouldn't want to be the GOP when they are trying to repeal this when it is fully implemented. They have a two year window and that means this November is their only shot. They are going to give it everything they have.
 
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To overturn this is going to require GOP majorities in the Senate and House and for Romney to win the presidency. It could happen, but I wouldn't want to be the GOP when they are trying to repeal this when it is fully implemented. They have a two year window and that means this November is their only shot. They are going to give it everything they have.

Well, at least someone understands the ruling.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

and he'll continue to fail, unless he has knowledge of your personal finances.

That works for me. :cool:

Perhaps he should stop trying then? :shrug:
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

It always amazes me when people completely ignore the lead up to something horrendous.

You watch, brother. Next year is gonna hurt.

(edit: you do realize that 15,000 new IRS positions were defined in the Obamacare bill right?)

The country really is going to hell this time, honest. It's not like the 10000000000000 other times people cried wolf over something like this.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

Straw men arguments are not good arguments, Hint: I never claimed it was not a tax.

So you are saying the SCOTUS ruling added taxes? Funny, I was unaware of that. The article did mention the penalty and the amount.

penalty? what penalty?... oh , you mean the tax that Obama said is not a tax :lol:
 
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To overturn this is going to require GOP majorities in the Senate and House and for Romney to win the presidency. It could happen, but I wouldn't want to be the GOP when they are trying to repeal this when it is fully implemented. They have a two year window and that means this November is their only shot. They are going to give it everything they have.

I hope to God they can do it.
I hadn't really committed to voting for anyone with an R behind their name this year, but today confirms that I will.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

penalty? what penalty?... oh , you mean the tax that Obama said is not a tax :lol:

Who cares what it's called? The Supreme Court calls it a tax for legal reasons, Obama calls it a penalty for political salesmanship reasons. It really doesn't matter what you call it, it's now the law of the land with the Supreme Court's stamp of approval. Eat it.
 
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That works for me. :cool:

Perhaps he should stop trying then? :shrug:

he does have a point about indirect tax burdens though... such as the taxes on medical devices, pharmaceuticals, and other stuff that will be felt indirectly ( as we all know those taxes will be passed onto to the consumers)
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

The country really is going to hell this time, honest. It's not like the 10000000000000 other times people cried wolf over something like this.

Remember that when you're refund disappears....however will you feed your ******s?
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

Shuck and jive, yo.


Who get's fined for not buying insurance?

Umm, what does that have to do with the 2 medicare surcharges I was responding to?

Oh, wait ... nothing. Ok, carry on.
 
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And the majority of those $200 to $250K "individuals" are small businesses where the owner files the business under individual tax returns. Which means that if that owner actually makes say $50K and the business did $150k then you are hitting the middle class, and small business at the same time....Congradulations.
 
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If you never claimed it was not a tax, how is my claiming it is a tax a straw-man?


Dude, really. You can do better.

The SCOTUS ruling did not add a tax, it defined the Obamacare individual mandate a TAX despite the Obama administration's vehement promise to provide universal healthcare without additional taxes. This has been proven to be a lie. If it were not a lie, the Obama administration would have pledged to rewrite the law following the SCOTUS decision in their effort to avoid additional taxes, which of course, they did not do.

I think you need to go back and read the conversation. Your memory of it is wildly off. You have entirely failed to debunk the factcheck article by the way.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

I think you need to go back and read the conversation. Your memory of it is wildly off. You have entirely failed to debunk the factcheck article by the way.


Oh 'factcheck' the St. Pete Times, backed and funded by Obama buddies in the Annenberg project, like Bill Ayres? That factcheck? :roll:
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

Umm, what does that have to do with the 2 medicare surcharges I was responding to?

Oh, wait ... nothing. Ok, carry on.

Don't listen to me. Listen to lefty prophet Redress.....go ahead, do it.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

I think you need to go back and read the conversation. Your memory of it is wildly off. You have entirely failed to debunk the factcheck article by the way.

Homey...the fact check article acknowledges the added taxes....
 
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