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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Thunder said:
still waiting for evidence.
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The US legal system is evidence. Wait all you want, or get to know your law.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Nah, I can't possibly dance and spin at your level. Thanks.
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LOL....those contradictions were way beyond anything I could produce.

Either you are paying for your private ins....or you are not. Which is it?



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Well I'm not paying the private sector from my pocket. Nor can the private sector tax me for bull**** programs and redudant govt agencies.
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Of course they charge me for services I choose to purchase. The private sector, IMO, is heads above the govt.
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Albert Di Salvo said:
If the economy goes back into recession the smart political move will be to blame Obamacare for frightening small business job creators.
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Smart politics = dishonesty and misinformation.

Thank you, Sean Hannity.
 
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clownboy said:
That's the funniest thing I've ever read. A family that cannot afford health insurance isn't going to benefit from tax credit as they probably have no federal tax burden to begin with.
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What's kind of sad is that you don't know the difference between a tax credit and a deduction! :rofll:

If you don't owe any tax and you have a CREDIT, the treasury cuts you a check in the amount of the credit.
 
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Congress can enact things which it says aren't a tax, but then litigate the issue by claiming it is a tax. How's that for transparency?
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
This Supreme Court decision will be characterized as a huge victory for Obama and a major defeat for white seniors.
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Yes, yes, you've already said this earlier today.

We get it, we get it... White people good, black man bad.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
This Supreme Court decision will be characterized as a huge victory for Obama and a major defeat for white seniors.
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LOL....those pitchforks and torches are not materializing.....
 
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hazlnut said:
Smart politics = dishonesty and misinformation.

Thank you, Sean Hannity.
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I'm not Sean Hannity. I oppose the death penalty and support civil rights for LGBTQ people. He doesn't.

America is a Kingdom of Lies. I didn't make the rules. But I'm going to play by the rules. That means I take a partial truth and use it to stoke resentment and fury for purposes of achieving political advantage. Both Democrats and Republicans do that. It's the way the political system works.

Your victory in the Supreme Court today can be used to galvanize opposition to you as it was done in 2010. That's the way things work now.
 
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Redress said:
The logic completely fails to follow. In point of fact, quick google search says 2/3 of the middle class have insurance through their employer.
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...which leaves a huge proportion, 1/3 of the middle class.
 
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clownboy said:
Again, according to the decision it is a tax. It was upheld as a tax. Calling it anything else the justices would not have upheld it (other than Bader-Ginsberg). Read the decision.
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You can call it zippity do da for all I care. What it is is a tax penalty. You only pay the penalty if you fail to comply with the law. It's permissible under the constitution because tax penalties are within Congress' taxing power.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Congress can enact things which it says aren't a tax, but then litigate the issue by claiming it is a tax. How's that for transparency?
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How's that for semantics? Whether you call it a tx or a penalty, it does exactly the same thing. No one has ever tried to hide what it does.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
America is a Kingdom of Lies. I didn't make the rules. But I'm going to play by the rules. That means I take a partial truth and use it to stoke resentment and fury for purposes of achieving political advantage. Both Democrats and Republicans do that. It's the way the political system works.
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Should we make the above statement our new pledge of allegiance?

Just change 'I" to 'We' and you're gold.
 
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AdamT said:
You can call it zippity do da for all I care. What it is is a tax penalty. You only pay the penalty if you fail to comply with the law. It's permissible under the constitution because tax penalties are within Congress' taxing power.
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What is was, was a ****ty little lie, like everything else that comes from the band of criminals in power now.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
LOL....those pitchforks and torches are not materializing.....
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Haha. I marched in the local Gay Pride Parade on June 3rd in support of LGBTQ people. I am hardly a pitchfork type. What I am is someone who obeys the rules of the political culture in order to achieve political advantage. That's as American as apple pie.
 
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... not really surprised by the decision... i figured it would go the other way on the mandate, but meh, i'm not surprised...SCOTUS tends to be perfectly fine with growing government.

what does surprise me is the left's new found love and adoration for corporations...specifically health insurance corporations (of which there are precious few)



this is a pretty solid victory for Obama and the left.... in a number of ways.
they get healthcare coverage for a lot of Americans
they get a new tax
they get a substantial tax increase for the rich.
they get mandated mediocrity ( socialist will love that one)
and now the " we can force you to do whatever we want" argument gets a ton stronger ( authoritarians will love this one in particular)


overall, i'm not happy.... but other than having to look for new and exciting ways to lower my tax burden( what?, you thin people are just gonna take a substantial tax increase laying down?.. think again), it won't affect me much.
 
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AdamT said:
How's that for semantics? Whether you call it a tx or a penalty, it does exactly the same thing. No one has ever tried to hide what it does.
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Except for Obama in '09 on Snufelupogus' show.
 
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hazlnut said:
Should we make the above statement our new pledge of allegiance?

Just change 'I" to 'We' and you're gold.
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"We?" Let's not pretend that America is anything other than a zero sum game. There is no "we" any more.
 
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hazlnut said:
Smart politics = dishonesty and misinformation.

Thank you, Sean Hannity.
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Wait...you're acknowledging Obama's dishonesty and misinformation?
 
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hazlnut said:
Yes, yes, you've already said this earlier today.

We get it, we get it... White people good, black man bad.
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Actually the best man in America is African American. His name is Clarence Thomas.
 
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j-mac said:
What is was, was a ****ty little lie, like everything else that comes from the band of criminals in power now.
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Testify, baby!!

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Taylor said:
...which leaves a huge proportion, 1/3 of the middle class.
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Which means the middle class, by and large, is insured. This makes your logic fall apart. Note also that employer provided insurance is not the only insurance.
 
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Redress said:
The logic completely fails to follow. In point of fact, quick google search says 2/3 of the middle class have insurance through their employer.
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Which 2/3? and What of the lower class?
 
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