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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Fiddytree said:
So I take it with 800+ replies we get conservatives who are lambasting the Justices for getting the constitution or the shape of government wrong while they hailed the sense of the decisions coming beforehand like campaign finance.
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The court upheld a long standing principle of corporate citizenship on the finance issue, long before that decision the government held that corporations were made up of people so they had the rights of such. I don't agree or disagree with that ruling, it was a restate of a long standing legal position.
Then liberals here must be praising the court for its sensibility over the shape of government after calling into question their legitimacy regarding such matters as campaign finance.
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The big problem here is that on one hand the constitution was upheld but on the other a back door was just created to invalidate the rights upheld.
 
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mac said:
It is exactly what Roberts said. If you don't buy insurance, you get taxed. That's it in a nutshell.
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You can show me the quote then. If not, then you are making **** up.
 
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vendur said:
What the hell are you talking about; that's exactly what is happening.
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NO, it isn't. Sorry.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
I wonder if Chief Justice Roberts was intimidated by liberal threats to delegitimize the Supreme Court? That's the new meme.
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Or maybe he was replaced by a replicant. That is even more likely.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Government is no more inept than anyone else. I run into a lot in the private sector who are far more inept, and yet they stay in business (one more talking to someone in India and I'm going eight grade).

And frankly, the government has done some things very well. The world really is better today, and government holds some of the credit for that (not all by any means). It has really just become cliche and overused to complain about government competence. And we can hold them accountable. We may not choose to, but we can.
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Well I'm not paying the private sector from my pocket. Nor can the private sector tax me for bull**** programs and redudant govt agencies.
 
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Boo Radley said:
NO, it isn't. Sorry.
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Ok, you lost the debate on the issue entirely and now you just deflecting since you have no arguments.
 
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clownboy said:
Wow, to both the raising of your premiums and that you have only been working since 99. :mrgreen:
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i completed graduate school that year. jobs previous to that year did not offer health insurance, so i was covered on my parents' plan before 1999.

clownboy said:
For the last couple decades I've been self-employed - which means I pay for my own healhcare insurance. Every two to three years the premium would rise 10 to 20 dollars a month. But since Obamacare, every six months it has risen.
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i'm sure that the amount varies between plans. since getting burned by an HMO that tried to get out of paying an emergency room bill when i was in respiratory arrest because i panicked and went to the emergency room when i couldn't breathe instead of calling my doctor at 2 am to get him to refer me to the emergency room, i generally buy the best plan i can get.

if my parents hadn't had a little clout with the hospital, i would have been totally screwed, and the emergency room bill would have cost around $1,500 with the HMO paying zero. there's something wrong with that.
 
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disneydude said:
Which is EXACTLY why the affordable care act makes sense. Our emergency rooms can now go back to being emergency rooms and not free/low cost clinics....and we can provide more healthcare, to more people at a better cost.
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Again with clarity, we already had that with the federally funded clinics. Which had their funding cut by Obama Care.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
And there you are without a clue to the mechanism that you are whining about.

Prove me wrong if you have the sand.
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No Gimmie, there you are attempting to get me to do the "Gimmie Tango". Thanks, but I'm trying to cut down on dancing. :mrgreen:
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Well I'm not paying the private sector from my pocket. Nor can the private sector tax me for bull**** programs and redudant govt agencies.
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Really? No health coverage?
 
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Redress said:
You can show me the quote then. If not, then you are making **** up.
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The commerce argument was thrown out....the fair use argument was thrown out....congress' right to tax was upheld.

Duh.
 
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The sad thing about this decision and many other major decisions made by the Supreme court these days is that they usually end up in a 5-4 decision. Forget this particular decision but that in itself tells me that two sides are making up their minds before deliberations and just deciding what B.S. they are going to use to explain their decision. The Supreme Court is failing us. They are no longer a check and balance. They are a law unto themselves following their own rules.
 
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ARealConservative said:
If I read your article correctly, only 8 of the 21 experts felt the individual mandate would be upheld.
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Correct. The survey asked them both whether they believed the law to be constitutional (19 of 21 did), and whether they thought that the Supreme Court would actually uphold it (only 8 of 21 did).
 
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Helix said:
i blame the artificially low supply of doctors and the fact that health care is an essential service with inelastic demand.
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You couldn't be more wrong on that first part. I work in the medical residency reporting field. I see the figures from teaching hospitals around the US every single day. We are stacked with J1 visas because we simply do not have the native supply of medical students we used to.

Students are looking ahead at the 12 years of outrageous trial and the money leaving the industry and the everyday possibility of losing everything to common medical malpractice suits. They're saying, no thanks, I'll try something else.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Your president stated that the Mandate wasn't a tax before the Act was passed.
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Political salesmanship should have no bearing on the actual constitutional issues. And today, fortunately, that philosophy seems to have won the day.
 
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mac said:
The commerce argument was thrown out....the fair use argument was thrown out....congress' right to tax was upheld.

Duh.
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So are you changing your claim and hoping no one will notice, or is this just some diversion?
 
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Redress said:
So are you changing your claim and hoping no one will notice, or is this just some diversion?
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Have you lost your limited ability to reason? The individual mandate was upheld due to congress' right to tax.

It's pretty simple....unless of course, you don't understand the individual mandate.
 
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Kandahar said:
Correct. The survey asked them both whether they believed the law to be constitutional (19 of 21 did), and whether they thought that the Supreme Court would actually uphold it (only 8 of 21 did).
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19 of 21 said if prior precedent held, not that it was constitutional.


anyway, my point was pretty obvious. Whether you want to argue this is a new power, it is a previously unused method of applying power, and I predict all ideologies will be unhappy with the direction this goes in the future.
 
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Redress said:
Article 1, section 8: "Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises"

Federalist papers where 1 or 2 guys opinion, not the law. Constitution = law.
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So should Obama lose the election for lying?
 
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Prof. Peabody said:


So should Obama lose the election for lying?
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SCOTUS chose to call it a tax, not Obama.

its not really a tax, as taxes are not supposed to be punitive. SCOTUS has quite an imagination.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Well I'm not paying the private sector from my pocket. Nor can the private sector tax me for bull**** programs and redudant govt agencies.
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They do charge you. But the claim was about effectiveness. As for redundancy, takes me to those calls to India and how many times I had to repeat the same thing, over, and over, and over, over . . . . I may go eight grade anyway.
 
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