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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Thunder said:
why do you want Americans not being covered for their illnesses?

should they just die?
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Treedancer:
In other words,be a good chap and die eh?
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Thank you Grayson twins. No that isnt a solution. Market driven solutions that actually lower costs might be a good idea. Moving away from group rated plans might also be a good idea. Individual plans and family plans are prohibitively expensive because companies get gigantic tax breaks from insurance premiums. One of the few good things from this bill is those breaks get passed along to individual consumers. A good idea and we need more like it to get costs down not insure everyone then be shocked, shocked I say, when premiums go through the roof. Eventually everyone will either be taxed on their premium or have their premium subsidized. I dont think either is a good solution.
 
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jpevans said:
Saddly the D's didn't have the votes for single payer or the public option, so they settled for RomneyCare. But at least something was passed & can be improved on over time. :2wave: :peace
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Nonsense, Obama bargained away single payer in the first meeting with the insurance company execs early on in the process.
 
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I'm glad you have faith in the word of Insurence companies. :peace
clownboy said:
The major insurance companies have already announced well before the verdict that they will keep that provision regardless of how the decision turns out. They see the writing on the wall, change is coming, and they don't want to be on the wrong side of it.

Did I mention my premiums, which were stable, have risen under Obamacare? They've already adjusted their rates to allow for profit with the pre-existing conditions provision in place.

Btw, the pre-existing condition clause does not guarantee all illlness/procedures are covered once you have the policy.
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treedancer said:
In other words,be a good chap and die eh?:lamo
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You think this is all a joke, so I guess you are unaffected by this.
 
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American said:
I thought they were covered by Medicaid, and besides if the group helped is small, why does the law apply to all?
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It doesn't apply to all ... again ... but it applies more broadly because that's not all it does. It also eliminats pre existing condition exclusions, removes lifetime limits, lowers costs for self employed persons, gives more choice to those with employer provided insurance, allows people up to age 26 to remain on their parents' insurance, provides for electronic records, and also contains many cost containment pilot programs.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
I've got an idea folks. Since we can tax anything now, let's tax non-stock owners, it's logical, afterall the more money in the market the better it will do. Sure, some people will lose everything but it's for the "greater good". I realize that under the commerce clause we cannot "force" anyone to buy into Wall Street but thanks to the collosal ****up by Chief Justice John Roberts and the infinite stupidity of saying we can tax anything it doesn't matter.
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Yeah,lets gouge them at the same giant rate that GE pays.:(
 
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jpevans said:

I'm glad you have faith in the word of Insurence companies. :peace
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Just as you have faith in the government, right?
 
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Thunder said:
and should my insurance company be able to opt-out of covering cancer treatment?
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Some policies do, at least for some treatments and some cancers. You might want to actually read your own policy some time.
 
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treedancer said:
Yeah,lets gouge them at the same giant rate that GE pays.:(
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Oh shut it. GE is and has been in Obama's camp from the beginning. Try Exxon, they pay 45%.
 
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Having had a miscarriage is a preexisting condition. Twisted logic ttwtt.
ttwtt78640 said:
It is also removing the MAJOR consideration for insurance risk, a pre-existing condition, from being taken into account. Imagine telling an auto insurance company that a person that has been totalling 6 cars/year, for a decade, must pay only the "standard" premium rate. ;-)
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jpevans said:
I'm glad you have faith in the word of Insurence companies. :peace
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What? How is it my fault Obama bargained away single payer when you weren't looking?
 
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"IRS may need to hire as many as 16,500 additional
auditors, agents and other employees to investigate and
collect billions in new taxes from Americans"

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/IRS_Power_Report.pdf



Its a house ways and means official report. You do not need a crystal ball to read the writing on the wall.


Leaving all that out...What do you think 15k+ IRS agents will sit around doing in the next ten years?

An expansion of 100 is enough to be concerned about.
 
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jpevans said:

Having had a miscarriage is a preexisting condition. Twisted logic ttwtt.
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You had a miscarriage? How does a guy have a miscarriage?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Oh shut it. GE is and has been in Obama's camp from the beginning. Try Exxon, they pay 45%.
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Uh, Exxon pays around 15%.
 
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AdamT said:
It doesn't apply to all ... again ... but it applies more broadly because that's not all it does. It also eliminats pre existing condition exclusions, removes lifetime limits, lowers costs for self employed persons, gives more choice to those with employer provided insurance, allows people up to age 26 to remain on their parents' insurance, provides for electronic records, and also contains many cost containment pilot programs.
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I can tell you the bolded part at least is a load of manure. Again, for the third time, my premiums have been raised three times since the passage of Obamacare.
 
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AdamT said:
Yes, there is. The more you make the more you pay.
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I read over major sections of the HC bill and there is no sliding scale. Sorry.
 
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iguanaman said:
No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.
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It's purpose is to eliminate private health insurance. The one term Marxist did not want this monster to really begin until after he is securely elected for a second term. In 2015 we should begin to see the big insurers getting out of the health insurance business. Some have gotten out already.
 
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akyron said:
"IRS may need to hire as many as 16,500 additional
auditors, agents and other employees to investigate and
collect billions in new taxes from Americans"

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/IRS_Power_Report.pdf



Its a house ways and means official report. You do not need a crystal ball to read the writing on the wall.


Leaving all that out...What do you think 15k+ IRS agents will sit around doing in the next ten years?

An expansion of 100 is enough to be concerned about.
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Not to mention, they have a devil of a time covering regular tax payments and compliance. I suppose this is good news for tax cheats, even less of a chance of getting caught.
 
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jpevans said:

Saddly the D's didn't have the votes for single payer or the public option, so they settled for RomneyCare. But at least something was passed & can be improved on over time. :2wave: :peace
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There are going to be many glitches and problems with Obamacare. Those glitches and problems can only be fixed if the Democrats control the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Presidency. Otherwise those glitches and problems will be allowed to fester like infection in an open wound.

For example, the federal govt. will help the states pay their share of Obamacare for five years, but after that the federal help ends. What Republicans can do would be to block any further federal assistance to the states. This will cause state budget deficits...but most states can't constitutionally have deficits. The result will be an enormous explosion of increased state taxes or significant cuts in state services.

Unless the Democrats hold ALL power Obamacare can be monkey wrenched and sandbagged. This will make the infection spread.

I know this isn't nice, but it is the way politics works under the American political culture. Enjoy this moment. It's all down hill from here on out.
 
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iguanaman said:
No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.
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Oh goody. Now you will have a death panel of bureaucrats who will get to decide. If your spouse didn't vote for the one term Marxist you don't get the care. Cool. But you won't be denied insurance, just care.
 
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Prof. Peabody said:
I read over major sections of the HC bill and there is no sliding scale. Sorry.
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You read part of the bill and you've drawn a conclusion about the whole bill.... Mkay.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will require premium rate reviews to track any arbitrary premium increases and will crack down on excessive insurance overhead by applying standards on how much insurance companies can spend on non-medical costs, such as bureaucracy and advertising. It will also provide sliding scale premium tax credits for families that still cannot afford quality health insurance.

http://dpc.senate.gov/healthreformbill/healthbill30.pdf
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Thunder said:
a violent revolution over a $650 tax-penalty?

you must be kidding me.
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The revolution will take place at the Ballot box in November. In 2010 the Democrats lost 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate. They need 19 more in the House and 13 in the Senate to have a veto, filibuster proof majority in Congress. Considering this.......

Public opinion of the health care law

June 28, 2012 10:36 AM

Since it was enacted over two years ago, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama's signature piece of legislation, has never been especially popular with the American public. Just 34 percent approve of the health care law, according to a CBS News/New York Times Poll released earlier this month, while 48 percent disapprove. Other recent polls also show more oppose the law than support it.

Overall opinions of the health care law have barely wavered since its passage in March 2010, and support for it has never reached 50 percent in CBS News Polls. Back in May 2010, two months after it was passed, 43 percent of Americans approved of the law - that's the highest percentage to date.

I think they'll get it.

Public opinion of the health care law - CBS News
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Misterveritis said:
It's purpose is to eliminate private health insurance. The one term Marxist did not want this monster to really begin until after he is securely elected for a second term. In 2015 we should begin to see the big insurers getting out of the health insurance business. Some have gotten out already.
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Misterveritis said:
Oh goody. Now you will have a death panel of bureaucrats who will get to decide. If your spouse didn't vote for the one term Marxist you don't get the care. Cool. But you won't be denied insurance, just care.
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I understand that you disagree with this decision, but there's no need to insult Obama like that.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Oh goody. Now you will have a death panel of bureaucrats who will get to decide. If your spouse didn't vote for the one term Marxist you don't get the care. Cool. But you won't be denied insurance, just care.
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Those "death panels" are a myth made up by idiots. Don't throw your hat in with them.
 
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